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2007 Ford Edge

nextmoonnextmoon Posts: 386
edited April 5 in Ford
Here's a spy shot of the up coming Ford Edge. Looks like it will take some of the styling of the Fusion (front chrome bars) from the looks of it. And may come with a new 3.5 engine (Duratech 3.5?)

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_07_Ford_Edge.S178.A9343.ht- ml
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  • rcf8000rcf8000 Posts: 619
    Looks like Detroit is finally responding to the RX300/Highlander only 8 years after they came out! No wonder our domestic car industry is in deep trouble.
  • If the Ford Edge comes out, what happens to the Freestyle? I thought that was supposed to Ford's crossover vehicle.

    And then what happens to the Fairlane which was supposed to replace the Freestyle?
  • yerth10yerth10 Posts: 428
    Freestyle is more than 195 inches in length, while Fairlane or Edge may be much smaller.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    Hype Name (Edge) Reality Name (Fusion Wagon)

    Hype Name (Freestyle) Reality Name (Ford 500 Wagon)

    So the Edge is in competion with the Freestyle as much as the Fusion is to the 500.
  • nextmoonnextmoon Posts: 386
    The Freestyle is already scraped according to Ford. There won't be a new model. It's quite a waste to develope and junk a model like that.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    It's just moving under the Mercury name.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    So it can be sold for more $$$ to bring in more $$$.
  • navigator89navigator89 Posts: 1,080
    And $$$ is something Mercury could really use......even this new Milan and Mountaineer aren't going to help them too much...... :cry:
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    I saw a dark red Milan Premier on the highway today. Pretty attractive. Had temporary tags and the local dealer sticker on the back.

    It stood out and grabbed my attention briefly. Maybe because its the first one I've seen on the road.

    Why I should pay more for a Milan when I can get a perfectly good Fusion is a good question though.
  • igor2igor2 Posts: 148
    well Milan is what Mercury has been to ford for years: you pay a 1-2K extra for not having the same car as everyone else.. Mercury is just tad more exclusive and less populous letting you be different. To make Mercury even more exclusivea the Freestyle WILL become M.MetaOne ONLY awith no cousin from other makes making it the first Mercury ONLY car in years. The car is also better positioned in Mercury Brand as it competes Pacifica and teh Cadillac crossover.. both are luxury vehicles.

    Edge will be a better everyday people hauler..

    However in the pctures the Edge seems a little too tall.. I was hoping for a more car like design.. not so much SUV looking.. oh well..

    Igor
  • baugiebaugie Posts: 1
    Actually;

    The MSRP on the Milan is only higher because the standard option content is greater. If you spec out both vehicles with all available features (which match up) then the Fusion is actually a few hundred more than the Milan since the options are not packaged the same.

    If you price out a Milan and Fusion with the same option content, the lease price for a Milan is actually lower than the Fusion because the residual value for the Milan is 2% higher (based on 36 month lease).

    I was looking at both, bought a Milan due to this since I wanted more options on the car. There is more flexibility on a Fusion since there are less option packages and more a la carte selection.

    baugie
  • ANT,

    Recently I saw a post of yours that said the new Aviator is coming out in the spring, but everything I have read indicates it is coming out next fall, in fact LATE next fall. I heard the same about the Edge.

    I am really more interested in the Edge and would really like to know a good "estimate" as to when it will be out?

    For that matter how is the release timing of the Aviator compare with the Edge, and CX-7.

    The Fusion was incredibly smooth and quiet, but I just don't find sedans very practical. A wagon or cross-over version is what I am looking for. 4 cyclinders is fine as well just to save on gas, and the 2.3L is supposed to be a technically advanced so I would probably choose it over the new 3.5L

    Another question is how can the CX-7 share a platform with the Fusion instead of the 6, if both the 6 and CX-7 are made in Japan, wheras the Fusion/Aviator/Edge are North American.

    thanks
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Numerous media outlets are pegging different times of release. Originally the vehicle was to debut later, put it was pulled a bit forward since the development stemmed from an exsisting architecture (CD3).

    The Aviator will be the first to debut, and showcase the new Duratec35 3.5L DOHC V6, and that should be in later spring. The Edge is to debut months after, possibly in the fall to give Lincoln exclusivity for awhile.

    The 2.3L Duratec I4 is very advanced and competitive with anything in it's segment. It was designed by Mazda and so far it has bullerproof reliability.

    The Duratec35 doesn't share much with the existing Duratec30 (3.0L). It's not simply a stroke/bored version of the Duratec30, in fact, about 85% of it is new or improved items over the 3.0L. And from the Duratec35, the engine architecture allows larger versions of it, if need be. Let me know if you need a link that discussed more details on the engine.

    In reference to your question on the Mazda6, CX-7. The Mazda6 is built in AutoAlliance, along with the new Ford Mustang, here in the U.S. The only version of the 6 that is made in Japan is the new Mazdaspeed6. Although there are factories in Japan that build the Mazda6, for their market, and others. This is one of Ford's factory that allows for flexible manufacturing.... Being able to produce different vehicles, that use different platforms, in the same factory.

    The Fusion's platform (CD3) is an improved version of the Mazda6 platform (and eventually the Mazda6 will grow into that platform at a later date). The "Edge", Aviator, CX-7 will stem from a lengthened version of this CD3 platform.

    The Fusion/Milan/Zephyr, all CD3 based, are assembled in Mexico, whereas the Aviator, Edge, CX-7 will share a factory here in the U.S., or possibly Canada, that is currently being worked out as to which factory will receive these vehicles. Consolidation of factory/plants are currently taking place, so it's not something on concrete.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    The 3.5L will feature 250HP and 240TQ with the Ford/GM JV 6 speed transmission.
  • mschmalmschmal Posts: 1,757
    I feel like the Milan is quieter at speed also.

    Mark
  • Question - ANT, along with some publications refer to the Edge/CX-7/Aviator as a trio of vehicles, but on the other hand, over on the CX-7 board, audia8q, who I believe is a sales manager in a Mazda dealership, posted info from their CX-7 pre-order information - "The CX-7, built on a Mazda exclusive platform, not shared with any Ford product..." What's the real story?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    It's like saying "The Mustang is on an all new exclusive platform"...yet, it's derived from a less sophisticated DEW98 platform (LS, S-Type). There's components that would allow them to be "different" but ideally, they aren't.

    Mazda doesn't have much purchase power to allow to allow them to have another exclusive platform, specially for a vehicle that will do better in N.A. You can interchange some components, suspension, trim sizes here and there, to allow them to offer something "different".

    Some of Mazda's platform will integrate using other Ford platform, but tailoring each differently specially for the "Zoom Zoom Zoom" image.
  • What is the anticipated MPG for the EDGE with the 3.5L & 6sp?

    How much room will be behind the second row seats?
  • navigator89navigator89 Posts: 1,080
    Just asking, how come you know so much about Ford products, like the Fusion/Milan, 500, Zephyr, Freestyle?

    Do you have access to inside information, do you work for Ford or do you just know a lot?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Frasier,

    It's a bit far to give you a good answer, but your looking at a guestimate 19/20CTY 26-27HWY. The aerodynamics will play a key role here.

    Navi,

    I wish they had an expanded forum on REALLY far out future products.
  • How will the milage of the 3.5L compare to the current 3.0L Duratech. As in the 2007 Mercury Freestyle?
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    Actually, quite similar actually... I find it redundant to keep the simpler Duratec30 engines after that, BUT it's cheaper to manufacture, so in some cases, it might be kept around.
  • kjnormankjnorman Posts: 243
    Just asking, how come you know so much about Ford products, like the Fusion/Milan, 500, Zephyr, Freestyle?

    Do you have access to inside information, do you work for Ford or do you just know a lot?


    ANT14 works for Ford, though in which capacity I am not sure that this has ever been clarified. I would guess engineering or product marketing, but perhaps ANT with enlighten us?
  • driverdmdriverdm Posts: 505
    ANT tell me that the Fusion will get manu-shift next year and I will cut my check for it now. The GM/Ford Tranny can support it. The Edge looks like it will be really competitive. Will there be 3 different engine levels, the 4 banger, the 3.0, and the 3.5 or will it just be 3.5? Another question, is the 3.5 replacing the 3.0 in all applications?
  • It will be the 3.5L with the new GM/Ford Joint venture 6-sp automatic transmission. The 3.OL is being phased out.
    Ford should offer a 4 cylinder model and three row of seating to compete with the Toyota Highlander. I do not think were is enough room for three rows of seats in the Edge. Which gives Toyota the Edge.
  • I know the is on this same platform as the Edge, But if Mazda can build the RX-8 on an exclusive platform, which is low volume, why can it not build a high volume car like the CX-7 on an exclusive platform?
  • I don't have a clue on the origin of the RX-8 platform, but it may be somewhat of a "halo" car philosophy. At the same time, ANT has the Ford background and knows what's happening. On the other hand, I've also seen one article that claims the CX-7 is based on the Mazda5 platform, so we'll just have to wait and see. The only concern with the CX-7 for me is the one drivetrain mentioned directly by Mazda is the turbo 4 cylinder. This may be fast, but I haul a 2000# boat for a short distance in the spring and fall and historically, turbos have not been recommended for towing. This would push me toward the Edge.
  • ANT14ANT14 Posts: 2,687
    "Will there be 3 different engine levels, the 4 banger, the 3.0, and the 3.5 or will it just be 3.5? Another question, is the 3.5 replacing the 3.0 in all applications?"

    It'll offer the 2.3L I4, and 3.5L V6. The 3.0L will see duty in a few other vehicles for awhile before the 3.5L is phases in. And in some cases, the 3.0L will stay on a model or 2, for cost reasons.

    "Ford should offer a 4 cylinder model and three row of seating to compete with the Toyota Highlander"

    4 Cylinder will be offered. Highlander does have a 3rd row seat, but rather useless if you ever sat in one...or tried, as I did. That was Toyota's last minute attempt to stick one back there, while the Explorer and Pilot had good luck with there's.

    The Edge is more Murano like, in it's offerings. The Highlander will face product overlap when the next Rav4 debuts with equal equipment. Ford has a few other vehicles, including Freestyle, Explorer, and (Fairlane concept not yet named) which will have flexible seating. Any more, would be overkill.

    "But if Mazda can build the RX-8 on an exclusive platform, which is low volume, why can it not build a high volume car like the CX-7 on an exclusive platform?"

    It could, but it wouldn't be wise. Niche vehicles such as the Rx-8 and Miata/MX-5, will use their platform longer, and undergo less changes to substantiate the cost offset, of using an exclusive platform. In that segment, it might be "forgiven" because they are niche products, and/or, less competition allows them to get away with it.

    Some examples of this, are the Beetle, PtCruiser, new Mustang, Mini-Cooper, etc.

    For an SUV/CUV, it MUST be redesigned in the 4-5th year mark because competition is fierce. Therefore, the above exclusive platform usage, wouldn't be economically wise.

    Although...you could stretch the platform a bit, retune the suspension, NVH, engine offerings, etc. to make a vehicle different from it's platform cousin.

    Speaking of the C-1 platform (Mazda5). Next Freelander will be based upon it, as a few other FUTURE Suv's ahem...Cough cough...
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    do I hear next generation Ford Escape?
  • "4 Cylinder will be offered. Highlander does have a 3rd row seat, but rather useless if you ever sat in one...or tried, as I did. That was Toyota's last minute attempt to stick one back there, while the Explorer and Pilot had good luck with there's.

    The Edge is more Murano like, in it's offerings. The Highlander will face product overlap when the next Rav4 debuts with equal equipment. Ford has a few other vehicles, including Freestyle, Explorer, and (Fairlane concept not yet named) which will have flexible seating. Any more, would be overkill."

    No one well ever get me in the third row of any vehicle.
    Some how my wife things we need a car with three rows of seats, we have one child and we need three rows of seats, I do not get it. I just need some thing from the Ford group that has that and is not a V-8 and is not the Freestyle, which she does not like. If not I will have to get a Pilot or a Highlander, Neither is on my list of things i want to drive.

    The Edge or the Aviator are my last hopes, I just hope they are good enough for the wife.

    Myself I would take the CX-7 with the 275 hp 2.3L turbo from the Mazdaspeed6 with the AWD.
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