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2007 Ford Edge

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  • lateralglateralg Posts: 929
    Please describe your procedure for the panic stop.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    Brake pedal "feel" on modern day vehicles may be meaningless in comparison to the "olden" days. Most new vehicles have BA, Brake Assist, which helps you brake in certain "panic" braking, hard or severe braking circumstances.
  • srangersranger Posts: 106
    Please describe your procedure for the panic stop.

    It was fairly simple... Get up to 45mph and hit the brakes when I was even with one of the parked cars and count how many we passed until it stopped... This is not exactly rocket science...
  • lateralglateralg Posts: 929
    Sorry, I should have been more clear.

    Did you "stomp and steer"? i.e. hit & hold the brake pedal as hard as you could?
  • srangersranger Posts: 106
    Did you "stomp and steer"? i.e. hit & hold the brake pedal as hard as you could?

    I hit the brakes as hard as I could and held the wheel so that it stopped in a straight line. It stopped more or less in a straight line with little or no steering input...

    I did not try a power slid or anything if that is what you are getting at...
  • lateralglateralg Posts: 929
    I think we're getting closer. Did you also contimue to press the brake pedal down as hard as you could? Did you hear or feel the ABS doing its job?
  • heyjewelheyjewel Posts: 1,046
    Is this part of the way forward? Motor Trend, March 2007

    Order of finish:

    Last: Edge
    3rd Highlander
    2nd Santa Fe (Hyundai fer cripes sake)
    1st Murano (One UGLY mutha if u ask me.)

    Oh, and these are the old Murano and Highlander, not the brand new ones which will be out soon.

    BTW, Braking for the Ford - worst in the group. 149ft from 60mph. The Murano needed only 121 ft.

    Also, gas mileage - worst in the Edge. Hey Bill Ford, Mr Green Jeans, what say you about that?

    This is also interesting - the Ford is about 10% heavier than the rest yet it's cargo volume is almost 20% smaller.

    The Ford did win one category - exterior looks. Though the interior was back to the bottom of the heap.

    Unbelievable that Ford would try to foist this off on the public after the Firestone/Explorer disaster, and the exploding police cars and the story that Volvo engineers are teed off that FOrd is trying to lower the strength of the roof in their cars, etc etc.

    Hey, Mulally, what say you about this?
  • srangersranger Posts: 106
    What more do you want, Yes I pressed the brake as hard as I could. I am 6'-4" 230lb, I think I can fully depress a brake pedal. I was not looking at the dash during such a manouver so I did not see if the ABS light came on... The tires did chip a couple of times. I could not tell if it was the front or rear...
  • srangersranger Posts: 106
    Is this part of the way forward? Motor Trend, March 2007

    Order of finish:

    Last: Edge
    3rd Highlander
    2nd Santa Fe (Hyundai fer cripes sake)
    1st Murano (One UGLY mutha if u ask me.)

    Oh, and these are the old Murano and Highlander, not the brand new ones which will be out soon.

    BTW, Braking for the Ford - worst in the group. 149ft from 60mph. The Murano needed only 121 ft.


    Well that should end the "they fixed the brakes in the production model debate...."

    Does any one really still belive that an extra 28ft stop does not increase your odds of rear ending another car?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    Does any one really still belive that an extra 28ft stop does not increase your odds of rear ending another car?

    Sure. It's only a factor in a full panic stop and I can't remember the last time I had to make one of those. And even then it has to be a situation where you can't steer around whatever stopped in front of you.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,451
    from my wife after seeing a picture of the Edge; 'it looks like that porsche suv, but i don't like the grille'.
  • Though I find this brake talk interesting though probably played out most people have no idea about any of this.They are concerned about reliability,price and looks.You can put that in any order you wish.If the Edge turns into a pinto or corvair then people will notice but until then....
  • srangersranger Posts: 106
    The whole point of these forums is to share information. An obvious design flaw in the braking system seems like a valid discussion...

    Maybe people really do not care about little things like braking ability... I guess I do...
  • avery1avery1 Posts: 372
    I am glad to hear about the brakes but I think all that can be said has been said. If it is an important issue don't buy and move on to another vehicle. Repeating it over and over doesn't add anything new to the discussion.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Feel free to start up a separate discussion on brakes. Just go to the Ford Edge group and click the "Add a Discussion" link.

    tidester, host
  • heyjewelheyjewel Posts: 1,046
    Well, you'll just have to get used to it. Because as the car magazines compare this vehicle to the competition, they are all going to notice that is takes the Edge an extra couple of car lengths to stop. They are going to write it up and people are going to notice and perhaps voice it here. To ignore it would be stupid. Some people will voice it or hear of it for the first time. And it may save their life. ME? I'm going to point it out every time a new magazine does. Why? Because I'm disgusted that Ford would put out ANOTHER poorly designed and likely unsafe product after all the stuff that's happened to this company in the past, that they would open another door to the ambulance chasing lawyers SHOULD put them out of business if they're that stupid.
  • Motorweek has a stopping distance (60-0) of 146 ft.

    http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2619b.shtml

    Another disparagement between the two tests is the reverse spec. Edmunds puts 0-60 at 8.3 seconds while MW puts it at 7.5 seconds. Both used a fully loaded SEL+.

    I wonder why the differences?
  • srangersranger Posts: 106
    Motorweek has a stopping distance (60-0) of 146 ft.

    http://www.mpt.org/motorweek/reviews/rt2619b.shtml

    Another disparagement between the two tests is the reverse spec. Edmunds puts 0-60 at 8.3 seconds while MW puts it at 7.5 seconds. Both used a fully loaded SEL+.

    I wonder why the differences?


    Different road surfaces can yield different stopping results. So far the braking test of the Edge have ranged from 146' - 161'. Take the average and you are over 150'. The same is true of acceleration test preformed on differnet days and locations. One done on a cool dry day near sea level where the air is more dense might have a 25hp ( or more ) advantage over a test preformed on a hot humid day at higher elevation.

    The best test are ones where different vehicles are tested on the same day on the same road surface. This shows the true performance differences. The MT test for example showed a 28ft difference between the best in class and worst in class on braking on the same road surface...
  • heyjewelheyjewel Posts: 1,046
    Good response.

    There is also the question of options on the cars, particularly was it a FWD or AWD. I read the Motorweek article and they never said which drivetrain theirs' had. The AWD will be slower for sure.

    The March 07 Motor Trend test used and AWD w/big moonroof option. They got 7.7 0-60 time. And 16.8 all round mpg.

    BTW, I am very unimpressed with motorweeks 'tests' or 'reviews' or whatever they call em. They seem to be little more than resated advertising.
  • wwestwwest Posts: 10,706
    for any modern day vehicle will be the result of an engineering compromise between two opposing "forces". Stopping distance vs directional control.

    On a dry high traction pavement the shortest stopping distance might very well be attained by disabling ABS. But then you risk losing control of the vehicle due to inadvertent lock up of the front wheels, or even the rears for that matter.

    It will be interesting to see how long it takes those very same engineers to figure out that the best of all worlds would be to disable ABS unless VSC indicates an impending loss of directional control.

    So, that extra stopping distance for the Ford Edge may very well be a GOOD compromise.
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