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Lincoln Reportedly May Introduce A Mustang Based Coupe

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  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,321
    It WAS sporty, but the HOT '49 was the Olds 88 with the Kettering engine and 4 speed Hydra-matic. Dual Smittys, wide WSW all on the torpedo coupe. :)
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,167
    I had never thought about it, but in 1949 the Mercury's hot styling coupled with the Olds Rocket engine would have made an unbeatable combination for its day.
  • bhill2bhill2 Posts: 1,329
    Actually, Mercury turned out a pretty nice version of the Cougar in '67 and '68, called the XR7. Sporty rather than sports, it featured white on black round instruments and a (probably fake)wood dach. You could get it with any of the 289's, which would make it handle reasonably well, or the 390, which would give you (marginally) more straight-line acceleration.

    2009 BMW 335i, 2003 Corvette cnv, 2001 Jaguar XK cnv, 1985 MB 380SE (the best of the lot)

  • wale_bate1wale_bate1 Posts: 1,986
    I remember it well! My cousin owned one in college (we were roomies); yellow with black vinyl top, black interior. He was fond of the switches in the overhead console; made him feel all pilot-ish! But that was just a trim package, and any iteration the Mustang was generally a sportier car, if not as nicely turned.

    Merc has been the gussied Ford for an awfully long time, which of course has been the problem with Lincoln, which has been a gussiered Ford for a long time.

    I really think the future for Mercury and Lincoln is for one of them to be absorbed by the other. Makes more sense to me for Mercury to be absorbed, because there's a greater degree of separation between Ford and Lincoln in the consumer's mind.
  • wtd44wtd44 Posts: 1,211
    I think the key to keeping the Mercury name viable is for Ford to stop being stingy with the new-vehicle development programs, and let Merc have more of them.
  • jae5jae5 Posts: 1,205
    on this is like many here, needs to be the Cougar. I mean, there could be a Mark IX LSC (reminiscent of the VII which was really a higher-end T-Bird/Cougar), but believe the Mustang-derived vehicle should be the Cougar. And agree on the sequential taillamps. Know this is somewhat off topic but was hoping the upcoming Shelby would have the sequentials, similar to the Mustang concept from a couple years ago. Wonder if anyone is making them.

    In any event, I hope they don't go the last-gen Marauder route: too much $$$; too little performance, differentiation, exposure, dealer knowledge;, too late for the market.

    What I do think is that Lincoln should have invested in the LS. It really is a nice piece, at least when it first entered the market. I mean, I've ridden and driven it and it was a decent competitor in its market IMO (IS, 3-Series 4-dr, Infiniti, CTS). They should concentrate on that type of vehicle, nice 4-dr RWD with good performance, V6 & V8 options, nice interior & exterior design and packaging.

    Again, just my thoughts and opinions.

    Happy Holidays
  • wtd44wtd44 Posts: 1,211
    I really agree that the Cougar name is an excellent choice, with Mercury the brand. My only Cougar was a four door 1979 I bought new, but that memory would not prevent my associating the Cougar name with now a Mustang derivative!
  • m1miatam1miata Posts: 4,556
    Better yet than something based on the LS platform, make a new one. They need a RWD smaller sized chassis to build a Falcon and Mustang and/or Other Coupe for Lincoln / Merc. Why can't they build lighter, smaller cars with sporty looks, reasonable price, RWD, as coupes for under $21K? Bring back the inline 6 for a smoother engine. And NEW designs. Time moves on, I was there to see the wonderful Mustang on opening night at the local dealership. Owned a '65, and the '85 model Stang. Make some NEW cars around the same size as the old Falcon. Make the Falcon, and/or the Fairlane again with an inline six and as an option the 300HP 4.6. Offer coupes, as well as, sedans.
    -Loren
  • iluvmysephia1iluvmysephia1 Posts: 5,675
    I agree with you completely. I sure am glad Lee Iacocca kept at it and decided that Ford could do better than the Falcon in the early 60's. I even like the original Falcon, though! More of that, please!

    Yeah, my first car was a 1965 Ford Mustang. Kind of weak mechanically in the clutch-plate and brake category and some of the doorknobs fell off and I think I had some issues with trim falling off here and there and probably a window issue or two. But, as far as a great small car design the early Ford Mustang was and still is hard to beat. I'd certainly perk up my ears and take notice if Mercury/Ford decided on focusing(pardon the pun)on decent small cars once again.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,167
    The Lincoln MKR displayed at the '07 Detroit Auto Show is a 4 door, it uses a modified Mustang platform. It's not a stretch to imagine a MKR coupe, to complement the sedan, and to compete with Cadillac's planned CTS coupe.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,167
    ...for a Lincoln coupe to compete with the Cadillac and luxury import brand coupes, eh?

    I've read that the next generation Mustang will feature independent rear suspension, so it would seem that this rear wheel drive platform could be suitable for a luxury coupe derivative. Your thoughts?
  • jae5jae5 Posts: 1,205
    I still lean towards what I said back in Dec '05 (wow, almost 6 years ago :surprise: ). I guess naming-wise it could tie in better with Lincoln's current alphabet-soup naming convention, maybe calling it MKC (MK for Mark, C for coupe?) MKIX is just... :sick: and MKX is already taken

    But I think the $64T questions are:

    Why? Just to compete with Caddy's CTS/V Coupe?
    What would seriously be this coupe competition?
    Does Lincoln's current customer-base want a coupe?
    Would Lincoln pull conquests in if they offered a coupe?
    Would it be a halo or actually expected to sell units?
    Considering it will have Eco-boost, would there be a V8, a la "Hot Rod Lincoln" version?
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,167
    The Lincoln coupe's competition would be the coupes of the other luxury brands (Cadillac, Mercedes, Audi, BMW, Lexus and Infiniti).

    I can't answer whether current Lincoln customers would buy one, but I presume that there's a group of the brand's fans, and those who are nostalgic for the domestic luxury coupes of the '70s and '80s, plus some import brand enthusiasts, who would be attracted to a fresh design on a modern, new platform.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,138
    I wonder if this means Mustang is finally dumping the live rear axle on the next edition?
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,167
    I read that the '14 Mustang, which will be the 50th anniversary edition, will be on a new platform, and will feature IRS.

    I haven't read anything about a Lincoln based on this next generation platform, but it would make sense. The wheelbase could be stretched for the Lincoln.
  • jae5jae5 Posts: 1,205
    I guess, but I really don't see Lincoln being a serious competitor to any one of those, except maybe Cadillac, which isn't saying much. To me, Cadillac is a one-trick pony right now with CTS, stretching that platform to the limit with 3 offspring. I could see the coupe maybe, possibly tapping some G37 and 1-series sales but I don't think it'll get any CLK, A5 or IS and the like.

    But I could see this in helping bring Lincoln back in the V6 or V8/RWD game, which is really where most consider the standard drivetrain configuration to be considered luxury. And with the Mustang going IRS supposedly (still fingers-crossed), this offers them even more reason as well as a possible way to spread the cost out. Could this spawn another T-Bird attempt?

    A very good discussion.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,167
    "I don't think it'll get any CLK, A5 or IS and the like."

    Why not? I'm betting that the next Ford RWD platform will be world class, in terms of design, and their engine and transmission technology is now competitive with the world's best.

    I've read that styling wise, the '14 Mustang will not be bound by retro design restrictions, as the current one is. It may have some retro cues, but Ford stylists have been given the freedom to introduce a fresh design. It's being designed for world markets, not just for North America.

    As for a new T- Bird, anything is possible, but I think Lincoln stands a better chance, because revitalizing Lincoln is a higher priority than adding yet another model to the Ford lineup. Besides, the margins would be wider for a Lincoln coupe than for a T-Bird. These are just my thoughts, and it's all speculation because its been about four years since I've read anything about a RWD Lincoln.
  • jae5jae5 Posts: 1,205
    Not a slant towards you so please don't take this personal but every time I hear "the next FOMOCO / GM / Chrysler platform will be world class in terms of..." I just smirk and think "Here we go again, when have I heard that before".

    Not saying that it couldn't happen, I just don't see it because Lincoln has pretty much become Ford's "badge engineering" division, a la GMC and RIP Pontiac/Saturn/older Buicks. But if they prove me wrong I'd gladly take my hat off to them / Ford - it may actually get me (and others) to start looking at them again. Even if they don't do a coupe, just a nice, proper RWD platform along with real sheetmetal differentiation from a Ford product would help them tremendously, and possibly help Ford division to have another RWD car besides Mustang.

    Again, an interesting and good discussion.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,613
    Maybe you missed the fact the the Mustang already was sold with IRS?
    It was the Mustang Cobra. sold up through 2004.
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