Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!





Which Minivan has easiest seat storage?

135

Comments

  • "But I see nothing wrong with them in back if you have things in the middle. What if you hit the brakes hard and what you were carrying broke lose? it wouldn't hit the kid's seat. They would be behind it, not in front."

    There are also rear end crashes, side crashes, frontal crashes and rollovers. If you have any heavy cargo, it should be very well restrained as the forces can be very high. Rope is good, but basic bungees won't hold in a crash.

    "if you have kids and grand kids, you are constantly carrying and buying things. Some things you plan for, some you don't. I don't have to worry either way, my van's ready. In no way is the Honda more family friendly than the Dodge. It's basicily a people hauler."

    I may be wrong, but I think this is pretty much what rorr just said. The Odyssey has an advantage at hauling family and people, the DC has an advantage at hauling cargo. You can always buy a Sienna, too. It has more cargo space than either one and the tumble forward second row and fold flat passenger seat make a reasonable compromise between the two. You can even get a power hatch and overhead trip computer for a more reasonable price than on the Odyssey.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "Don't want to put kids in the back seats, leave them home with the wife if your carrying stuff."

    Or just put the cargo in the rear where IT IS SUPPOSED TO GO.

    "You maybe like a lot of people and pay to have a lot of things delivered, I don't."

    The only time I've ever paid a delivery charge was on a load of lumber to build a 12'x16' storage shed. But I doubt I could have gotten that load into a minivan, regardless of whether or not it had sto'n'go. I'm still trying to picture the item you can haul which the Odyssey can't.

    "If you have kids and grand kids, you are constantly carrying and buying things. Some things you plan for, some you don't. I don't have to worry either way, my van's ready."

    Ditto (except I don't have grandkids). I've still never had a situation where I 'worried' about the capacity of our Ody for either cargo or people.

    "In no way is the Honda more family friendly than the Dodge."

    Really? The van which offers more safety equipment (in the interest of family safety) and more seating options (for families) is NOT the more family friendly vehicle? Yet the vehicle which makes cargo hauling easier (for things like air compressors) IS more family friendly? Okay..... :confuse:
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Again, try and put a 25 gallon air compressor in the back by yourself. I can wheel it right up to the side door, bend down the handle and push it about two inches and wheel it right in. There is no way you can do that loading from the back. You can load most anything by yourself easier using the side door than the back hatch.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Really? The van which offers more safety equipment (in the interest of family safety) and more seating options (for families) is NOT the more family friendly vehicle? Yet the vehicle which makes cargo hauling easier (for things like air compressors) IS more family friendly? Okay.....


    Unless you have six kids, the seating option is mute. We have discussed safety already. Being able to use your van for anything that comes up makes it very family friendly. Being able to store kids stuff out of the way and out of sight makes it very family friendly and keeps your van looking clean and not having it piled all over the seats or floor.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Um, wouldn't that make it 'cargo friendly' like I said?

    Just out of curiousity, what is it about the floor height on the Dodge that makes it easier to load in the side vs. the rear? I'm trying to visualize loading a compressor in the side of our Ody and I don't see that it would be appreciably easier one way or the other (I suppose I could take a tape to it tonight and meaure the load height of the rear vs. the side).
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "Unless you have six kids, the seating option is mute."

    Or 3 kids and the ability carry everything behind the 2nd row. Or the ability to push the 2nd row captains chairs together for very easy access to the 3rd row, or to provide cargo space down the side of the van with 2 seats in the mid row. See? More seating options = greating seating versatility.

    "We have discussed safety already."

    Yep. Advantage Honda w/ standard side/curtain airbags with rollover sensors and standard traction/stability control (good for families)......vs. the Dodge with.....sto'n'go (good for cargo).

    "Being able to store kids stuff out of the way and out of sight makes it very family friendly and keeps your van looking clean and not having it piled all over the seats or floor."

    Yep. Of course the Ody has in-floor storage too (of course, all that kid stuff STAYS out of sight should I have the need to remove a 2nd row seat).....vs. the Dodge where you store either the kids stuff OR the seats but not both.

    BTW - I reviewed the Car & Driver comparison test of minivans from last year. The Caravan w/ Sto'n'go seats was rated as having the 2nd most comfortable 2nd row seats in the test. So you are correct that the sto'n'go doesn't unduly compromise comfort for utility (at least in the reviewers minds).
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Just out of curiousity, what is it about the floor height on the Dodge that makes it easier to load in the side vs. the rear? I'm trying to visualize loading a compressor in the side of our Ody and I don't see that it would be appreciably easier one way or the other (I suppose I could take a tape to it tonight and meaure the load height of the rear vs. the side).

    I would think the floor height would be about the same. What makes it harder is the rear bumber that sticks out not letting you get it close enough to get the wheels up on the platform. You would have to lift that compressor up to get it in. You don't using the side door. You can get as close as about two inches which I had to push it before the wheels touched. Then all I needed to do is lift the handle up and roll it in.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Or 3 kids and the ability carry everything behind the 2nd row. Or the ability to push the 2nd row captains chairs together for very easy access to the 3rd row, or to provide cargo space down the side of the van with 2 seats in the mid row. See? More seating options = greating seating versatility.

    Did you see the one picture I put up with the one middle seat stowed? (Which is how I keep it most of the time) Two people could walk side by side to the rear seats. You can't get better excess than that. You still have room for four in the back.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "Did you see the one picture I put up with the one middle seat stowed? (Which is how I keep it most of the time) Two people could walk side by side to the rear seats. You can't get better excess than that. You still have room for four in the back."

    Yes, I saw the picture. Looks remarkably like the interior of the Ody with the RH 2nd row captain's chair removed. And if it's how you keep it most of the time, why couldn't you do the same with the Ody?

    My point was that with the Ody, I can push the two 2nd row seats together creating easy access to the rear AND still sit two in the 2nd row.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "What makes it harder is the rear bumber that sticks out not letting you get it close enough to get the wheels up on the platform."

    Okay - that makes sense.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Yes, I saw the picture. Looks remarkably like the interior of the Ody with the RH 2nd row captain's chair removed. And if it's how you keep it most of the time, why couldn't you do the same with the Ody?

    My point was that with the Ody, I can push the two 2nd row seats together creating easy access to the rear AND still sit two in the 2nd row.


    I could do the same with the Ody. But that still wouldn't give me the extra storage, or the ability to store the other seat if I needed to. Plus that would be one more thing to stuff in my garage. I don't have to plan ahead with the Dodge. I don't have to worry about something unexpected coming up. I am ready no matter what comes up. Except for having to stuff eight people in it at one time. Don't see me ever having to do that.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Let's say my wife and I go over to our daughter's house to visit and after awhile my Daughter says, Dad, let's all go to the park so the kids can play. If I took that seat out of the Ody before, now we'd have to take two vehicles because I was one seat short. With the Dodge, I just raise the seat and we go in my van.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    I think we are talking past each other (in this and the other thread). Let's try to clear the air a bit.

    Both the Ody and the Caravan (and the Sienna, etc. since this isn't a make specific forum) have advantages and disadvantages to their seating systems.

    Why not JUST state the advantages (and acknowledge the disadvantages) without trying to proclaim one design or the other as more 'family friendly'? After all, what may be more 'friendly' to your family may not be more 'friendly' to mine or the next guy's or the next guy's.

    I will NOT debate with you that Dodge's sto'n'go is the easiest to convert from people carrying to cargo carrying. I also acknowledge that this design gives the owner two fairly large in-floor storage bins vs. one for the Ody. At the same time, this design means the bins must be emptied to store the seats and on the Dodge these bins are not lockable.

    Also, this means that the Dodge seats are fixed in place and can't be shifted laterally. The Ody (and Sienna, MPV, etc.) RH seat can be repositioned.

    Whether or not these issues are important to me (rorr) or to you (marine2) is completely immaterial. I'm not trying to convince you to sell your Dodge just as (I hope) you're not trying to convince me to sell my Ody. I'd like to simply point out these issues and let OTHERS decide if they are important to them or not. Trying to declare one design or the other as more 'family friendly' is not fair because you have no authority to decide FOR EVERYBODY what constitutes 'family friendly'.

    What I WILL debate with you is the wisdom of carrying cargo in the middle of the van with passengers in the 3rd row. Yes, I'm aware this is easy to do with sto'n'go seating in DCX vans. Yes, I'm also aware that you attempt to take precautions to secure this cargo. However, not everyone else will do so (I believe very very few take any precautions to secure cargo behind the 2nd row; why would they behave any differently with cargo located in the middle of the passenger compartment). And I will also tell you that my wife would think I was certifiable if I suggested putting the kids in the 3rd row so I could haul cargo in the middle. And I don't think I'm alone in that regard.

    So why don't we simply agree that each system has it's advantages and it's disadvantages without trying to declare one or the other more suitable for 'families' (I know that I can't speak for any families beyond my own).
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    I have no problem with that. We all buy our vans for different reasons. Some people wouldn't think of putting cargo in their van, afraid they would scratch or tear someting up. Others use their vans for taking family and cargo. Some need eight seats and some only need 5 or seven seats. Some will buy with safety being their top priority, others don't. Some will buy on looks, others will buy on proven dependability. Some will buy because of gas mileage, some because of goodies they can get. Some because of price. There are many reasons why we choose the minivans we do. What's right for you, might not be right for me.

    Where I place kids and cargo so far has been a mute point for me. So far, I have never had to haul cargo with my grand kids at the same time. But I see nothing wrong in placing them in the rear, anymore than having to put them there if I was carrying two more children. I see them as even being safer back there if the cargo ever broke lose. I have no problem putting cargo in the back as long as it's not heavy and requires me to lift it by myself. Many of the stuff I haul does go back there. Problem being, there is little, if any hooks to secure cargo in the back. Others, I use the side door. I like having the option of doing it anyway I wish. That's why I like my van so much. I have control of what I can put in it at all times no matter what comes up.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Fair enough.

    I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the issue of cargo in the 2nd row/kids in the 3rd row and move on. We've probably monopolized this topic enough as it is and I don't think either one of us will ever 'convice' the other on this minute sub-issue.

    It sounds like you bought the right van for YOUR desires/intended use.

    Happy trails... :D
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    Nobody mentioned that Toyota Sienna is the only minivan to offer a fold-flat front passenger seat for hauling long cargo.

    About the DCX vans, I own a '05 Dodge GC, and I must admit that the rear seats are NOT very comfortable. The middle row seats are small, and even with the headrests pushed up, it will never feel the same as a full padded seat with comfy armrests (like the pre-2005 DCX vans and current Sienna & Ody), and the rear seats are even worse, you sit with your knees up like you're taking off in a jet.... Plus the seats are way too firm, despite Chrysler's claim that this is a special foam developed and used by NASA...

    Also, since DC vans introduced the stow'n'go system, the van is much noisier than before, you hear the engine and muffler noice much louder than pre-2005 vans.
  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    I had forgotten about Toyota's ability to fold the front passenger seat flat (seat back folded forward) although to be honest I'm not sure how I would use this feature.

    As far as seat comfort goes, it's been my experience that seat comfort is VERY subjective. I think folks are better off giving seats a trial fit rather than try to make up their minds based on opinions in a forum.

    Case in point: back when the current Ody was being released, I read several posts from folks complaining about front seat comfort (and back pain). After owning our Ody, my only complaint is the reach to the steering wheel when my seat is adjusted for adequate legroom. Otherwise, I find the seats to be very nice.
  • "Nobody mentioned that Toyota Sienna is the only minivan to offer a fold-flat front passenger seat for hauling long cargo."

    Post 43;-)
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    About the DCX vans, I own a '05 Dodge GC, and I must admit that the rear seats are NOT very comfortable. The middle row seats are small, and even with the headrests pushed up, it will never feel the same as a full padded seat with comfy armrests (like the pre-2005 DCX vans and current Sienna & Ody), and the rear seats are even worse, you sit with your knees up like you're taking off in a jet.... Plus the seats are way too firm, despite Chrysler's claim that this is a special foam developed and used by NASA...

    I never sat in the third row seats and don't plan to. The grand kids set back there.

    The second row seats are narrower and firmer and although they will never feel as soft as a full seat, I don't think you can say they are uncomfortable. I have ridden in them.

    Also, since DC vans introduced the stow'n'go system, the van is much noisier than before, you hear the engine and muffler noice much louder than pre-2005 vans.


    I have never owned a minivan before, but the only noise I hear is from the tires. My brother has a 2001,( I think I said before it was a 1991) and he said mine was much quieter than his. No rattles at all. If you are complaining of engine and muffler noise, getting it sprayed with an under coatng would probably do wonders for it.
  • samnoesamnoe Posts: 731
    Marine,

    Seats should be comfy for the grand children as well. As I drove so many minivans before, and also drive now one at work (besides my own), I know what I'm writing. It's no question that the new stow'n'go system is very good and is the way to go. but the seats are inferior to the DC vans prior to 2005, and is "MORE" uncomfortable than before. HOW MUCH uncomfortable remains subjective.

    I drive a 2003 T&C at work, and the ride is smoother and much quieter than my '05 Caravan. Even CR agrees and says that since '05, noise levels has increased. I CAN spray with under-coating? Thanks for the suggestion (I'll probably never do it), but still, the van is more noisy in the first place, despit Chrysler's claim that the van is now 16% quieter than before (due to added sound insulation under the hood).

    The rear seats of the Sienna and Ody are much more comfortable & padded, these minivans were built with the rear seat folding into the floor in mind, so they created a big well behind the 3rd row, and made the rear seat big and padded enough. Chrysler & Dodge, on the other hand, created them as an "afterthought" - the current generation minivan was built with a regular seat in rear with no well behind the 3rd row, (hence, the well in the DC vans are way smaller than those in the Sienna/Ody). And that's why the seats are so thin padded. I'm certain that the next gen DC vans will be competitive in that area.
This discussion has been closed.