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Which Minivan has easiest seat storage?

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  • "Chrysler & Dodge, on the other hand, created them as an "afterthought" - the current generation minivan was built with a regular seat in rear with no well behind the 3rd row, (hence, the well in the DC vans are way smaller than those in the Sienna/Ody). And that's why the seats are so thin padded. I'm certain that the next gen DC vans will be competitive in that area."

    That I would believe. In addition, the seatbelt systems and seat cushion angle can make child seat installations in the third row very difficult compared to many other minivans. Stow 'n Go is a great concept, just like the folding 3rd row seat was. The first implementations were functional, but there was still a lot of room for improvement. Just look at how the folding third row seats are now for comfort and convenience compared to the original designs. Stow 'n Go will be copied, just as it will also be improved.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    It will be interesting what Chrysler does with the new generation coming out next year with them. I understand they intend to keep stow-n-go, so I am sure they will get better. Only wish I had leased my van so I could get the new one. I'm keeping this one till the warranty runs out.
  • I know there aren't a lot of Nissan Quests out there on the road, but the 2nd row folding seats offers a virtually flat cargo area and are much more comfortable than the Caravan. I tested the Sienna, but did not try the fold flat passenger seat; with the 2nd row seats tumbled forward, is there a open space all the way to the front?
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    NOT in the Quests I have closely examined. And there was too little space for the toes under the seats for 2nd or 3rd row passengers. :sick:
    The Odyssey, Sienna, T&C, and Grand Caravan had more comfortable seats for me than did the Nissan Quest...in all rows. However, the biggest turn off for me was the ghastly instrument panel of the Quest.
  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,915
    The2nd row seats also move fore and aft so you can add extra leg room for 3rd row passengers.
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    It wouldn't be the Dodge/Chrysler. But when you consider how easy they do store and how much storage space they have when seats are up. there is nothing out there to beat them.
  • cwesleygcwesleyg Posts: 64
    the Chrysler twins have the easiest, lowest profile seat storage, but I think stow and go seats seem flimsy.
  • badgerfanbadgerfan Posts: 1,564
    There is nothing flimsy about them at all. Both rows lock in place when upright with a solid latching mechanism, no squeeks, no rattles, and the seat structure is very rigid, in both rows. Floor covers are very rigid and solid as well. About the only thing one can complain about them is they are definitely firm, though not, in my opinion uncomfortable, and the second row seats are a bit smaller than the equivalent captains chairs before Stow and Go.

    Hard to beat the ease of storing them, however, and when upright, you have storage space under the floor that equals the trunk space of some sedans.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    There is nothing flimsy about them at all. Both rows lock in place when upright with a solid latching mechanism, no squeeks, no rattles, and the seat structure is very rigid, in both rows.

    Agree 100%!!!! Flimsy is the last word that would ever come to mind to describe these seat.
  • guestguest Posts: 774
    It seems much easier to fold the 3rd row seats into the floor of my 2006 Sienna LE now that it did before I had folded them many times.
    We normally fold the right 40 % into the floor when grocery shopping. We place the loaves of bread, bananas, potato chips (or like items) onto the folded portion and the rest of the groceries into the well behind the 60 %. Those built in hooks on the back of the 3rd row are nice to hook some of the plastic grocery sacks onto so they don't slip if the entire well is not full. :shades:
  • marine2marine2 Posts: 1,155
    Well the new 2008 Dodge and Chrysler mini vans will have a one touch power bench, third row seat available. Can't get much easier than that.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Toyota's ability to fold the front passenger seat flat (seat back folded forward) although to be honest I'm not sure how I would use this feature

    I've used this about 4-5 times, and I've only owned my van since May.

    Basically it was useful when I need to bring home some 16' trex decking. I could not put it on the roof because it flexes and hit the van. I slid it inside and then tied it to an open hatch, and made it home.

    You could probably do this without folding the front seat but it would not be easy, and you'd probably scratch the interior.

    Also, my wife sits in the middle row with the 2 kids (we have the 8 seat model with 3 individual, comfortable seats) and she uses the front seat as a foot rest! Luxury bay-bee!

    Lean back, put your feet up, enjoy a movie on the 12.1" screen we had installed.

    Very nice! :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Agree, but I think Toyota deserves credit for that innovation as they beat Dodge by about 4 years.

    Still, the new Dodge has plenty innovations of its own.
  • hansiennahansienna Posts: 2,312
    Quote:
    " Toyota's ability to fold the front passenger seat flat (seat back folded forward) although to be honest I'm not sure how I would use this feature

    I've used this about 4-5 times, and I've only owned my van since May. (end quote)

    I have NEVER used the fold flat front passenger seat feature BUT because of that wretched feature, the front passenger seat is NOT as comfortable for me as the cheaper non-fold flat seat of the Sienna CE. :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You gotta take longer test drives, buddy! ;)

    Saturn was really cool about that, they told me to take the Outlook home for the weekend. I said, wow! :surprise:

    Too bad visibility was poor. I backed over the curb, oops! :D
  • What difference does it make which is easier?
  • siennamisiennami Posts: 116
    It sure makes a difference if you have a bulging disk in your back like I do!
  • Was retired on disabilty 9 years ago with severe degenerative disc disease, but both cars have very easy seat storage.
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    Well the new 2008 Dodge and Chrysler mini vans will have a one touch power bench, third row seat available. Can't get much easier than that.

    This is a slamdunk for Chrysler. Anyone needing "EASIEST seat STORAGE" can only conclude this. Sure Toyota may have a power 3rd row, or some may feel their seat mechanism is of a better design etc... but no other manufacturer offers the complete package Chrysler does.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    While Stow-n-Go is certainly the most flexible, I sort of doube someone with a bad back will find it easy to flip and fold those seats. Even worse, imagine having to bend down and pick those seats out of that hole with a bad back.

    Ain't happening. I've sprained my back. No way could I have bent over and lifted anything.

    I'd say the easiest 2nd row would definitely go to Nissan. In the Quest, the seats just lean forward, and there's no heavy lifting.

    Sadly, Nissan's 3rd row may be the very worst - it doesn't even split fold! :sick:
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    I sort of doubt anyone with a bad back would find it even possible to remove the 2nd row seat from all other minivans. You'd have a much better chance of storing the Stow N Go seats then any other, except maybe the Nissan's but then Nissan's don't really store (they're still there) and give you a flat floor, they just fold on top the floor.

    I had to go out to my 2005 with Stow N Go and try this, since it's been a year since I had the seats out of their pockets.

    Actually there's no heavy lifting in the Stow N Go seats, the trickiest part is the lid covers. The seats themselves are spring activated and tumble into the storage hole with no effort whatsoever. Just pull on the release tab then the spring tumbles them into the floor. To get them out - lift cover, pull handle and they tumble back into place. Pulling the handle requires the most effort of the entire exercise because you're pulling against gravity, but even then the spring offers leverage. It's not you against the entire weight of the seat! There's no need to "pick" seats out of a hole - you make it sound difficult and troublesome - that's hardly the situation.

    FYI - next year T&C Limited will off full power 2nd and 3rd row storage.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I agree that removing the seats with a bad back is simply not an option. They're all too heavy.

    In the Sienna they fold and tumble forward. You pretty much only have to pull the knob. They're not entirely out of the way, but it requires no effort at all. Lifting is harder, of course.

    I'll take your word for it with the Stow-n-Go, as I haven't tried those in a while.

    Perhaps the question should be - what is the owner going to load in all this space with a bad back? It's not like you can lift anything that big.

    If you're getting help loading then I'm sure you could get help folding seats, I suppose.
  • With the new Oydessy you can handle the folding seats with 2 fingers
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The 3rd row, you mean?

    I believe the 2nd row doesn't tumble forward, at least last time I tried one (2007 model). You have to lift them out, correct?
  • dennisctcdennisctc Posts: 1,168
    On my Dodge, there's 3 straps labeled 1, 2, and 3. With one finger you can do all three steps. On a 2008 there's one button to push, requiring only the tip of a finger - not even your entire finger!!!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    And remember, Toyota and Dodge offer power folding 3rd rows.
  • siennamisiennami Posts: 116
    They may, but I drive a CE, and I have had a heckuva time getting my 3rd seats to unfold..... don't know why, but I have. And for me to bend for any length of time, which I have to do to fold or unfold those seats, will cause my back to hurt. And since I am single, sometimes there's not someone around all of the time to help. And yes, reading the directions does help, just not my back! The second row seats do tumble..... the salesman did it the other day when he was trying to move one over for me.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Put one foot on the bumper for leverage.

    I've sprained my back and one thing I learned to do is never lift with my back. I will at least brace myself with my other arm, or let my knees do the lifting.

    It's hard when you are reaching in, though, so try the foot on the bumper step idea.
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