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BMW 3-series vs Lexus IS



  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    six-cylinder automatic sedans, Ward's Segmentation". Research the facts, dewey, before you make bold statements of misinformation.

    Dewey, quit twisting the facts; your rhetoric is really, really tiring

    Huhhh??? :confuse:

    Yes, Lexus does use AMCI-Certified acceleration testing number to boast the 5.3 figure that few testers can achieve! Where did I state that this 5.3 figure is in-house???

    What facts did I distort when I was referring to the R&T Speed Comparison dated Nov/Dec?

    The IS350 achieved 0-60 in 6.0 seconds The G35 beat the IS350 and the BMW330 was beaten by the IS350 by a mere 0.2 seconds.

    Please explain to me where I used rhetoric or twisted the facts?
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    was referring to the facts of the R&T Speed Comparison dated Nov/Dec! And I repeat those are facts and not twisted facts

    You have confirmed to me that you do not understand the difference between anecdotal and statistical facts! Therefore this discussion is a waste of time!

    Facts is that you mention an unofficial time done by a magazine with ad revenue.

    Are you implying that BMW bribes magazines with ad revenue in a far more convincing manner than what Toyota spends on ad revenue?

    I wonder if you have ever done a scientific experiment in your life!

    Are you referring to the person who gets his reliability records from one C & D road test?
  • "Are you implying that BMW bribes magazines with ad revenue in a far more convincing manner than what Toyota spends on ad revenue?"

    Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa... horsey... who here mentioned BMW? Certainly not I... So, quit putting words in my mouth!

    I had said earlier:

    "Where the twisting comes into play is that you pretend like R&T did this one comparo where it unofficially received a worse time than the G35 and all-of-a-sudden the G35 is faster than the IS 350 all the time?

    If not, then why the hell mention it in the first place!?


    So? Why mention R&T? Why? Tell me. If I don't know the difference between anecdotal and statistical, which I am sure you imply stricly as an insult, at least answer me why you keep on referring to the magazine for your arguments. It is not my lack of knowledge of the English language that inhibits my understanding of what you are saying but your lack of humility in admitting that you are actually wrong!

    Right about now, I have better things to do.

    It was fun.

  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    So? Why mention R&T? Why? Tell me

    Why not? :confuse:

    least answer me why you keep on referring to the magazine for your arguments.

    I repeat why should I not use comparison road test results of two cars that are the topic of this forum? Reading comparable performance/handling specs from various sources can be quite informative, dont you think?

    It would be senseless to use the "Speed R& T comparison test" or the "C&D" as a basis for reliability judgements! And that is exactly what you are doing! No insult intended!

    Have a nice day!
  • Well I dont believe in the demograph ( or whatever) since I'm younger than 20 a bit

    younger and I was looking at the 330i and it was very nice since my sis went

    to buy the 745 (she didnt want the 750!) and also I like the Lexus IS350 but I

    went today to check it out but I saw the GS and I liked it a bit more!!! So I hope to

    buy a new car very soon!!! OOh btw dont feel like that!!! Live life to the fullest!!!!

    I might still like that act like that 13 yrs from now!!!
  • GO MIKE!!!!!!! Im on ur side cuz i kind of know what ur saying plus ur cool lol!!!!

    OOh i didnt even bother reading your guys posts since I am soo out of it right lol

    But I hope it ends well !!! Good Luck! :P
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Well I dont believe in the demograph ( or whatever) since I'm younger than 20 a bit
    younger and

    Yes demograhics do matter! I think I will ask my children for some guidance on my next post!
  • kdshapirokdshapiro Posts: 5,751
    " IS 350 got a 0-60 mph time of 5.3 seconds"

    I can't argue with a printed number, but its my feeling that information from comparos: where all of the cars are tested the same time and place are more valid.

    Testing the same car in Connecticut in February and the same car in Pheonix in July will yield different results.

    So the 5.3 (and I guess a lot of C/Ds numbers) while unbelievable is simply a derived number.
  • dl7265dl7265 Posts: 1,381
    Ok, Canadians play nice now :)

  • potemkinpotemkin Posts: 196
    Just curious about something...

    Who's responsible for "official" 0-60 times? Does it fall under the purview of the NHTSA or the IIHS, or is there some other governing body that's responsible for testing 0-60 times. If the "gubment's" been negligent and hasn't seen fit to keep track of such things, perhaps they should create a NMCSYCB (National My Car Smokes Your Car Board) to settle these disputes.

    Also, shouldn't they (whoever "they" are) have switched over to the metric system by now? Sounds to me that 0-100 K/H (0-62 MPH) would be more appropriate considering we're talking mainly about European & Japanese brands.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    This is getting way too personal.

    There is no reason why each of you cannot hold your own opinion without having to force it down each other's throat.

    We are talking about several very fine vehicles here. We all have our own reasons for making the final decisions we make, but those reasons are our OWN and we cannot expect to impose them on others. We can explain our reasoning, yes, but expecting others to adopt it lock, stock and barrel is really silly, if you think about it - you're not going to adopt someone else's reasoning in that manner, are you? So why would others adopt yours?

    We need to get this discussion back on track - we're comparing the 3-Series to the IS series, so let's keep our comments focused on the actual vehicles. The personal attacks are not acceptable here.

  • sdiver68sdiver68 Posts: 119
    I'm sitting here looking directly at the official Lexus IS brouchure I got from the dealer yesterday, and they are claiming 0-60 in 5.6 for the 350. :confuse:
  • "Thanks."

    No problem. :)


    Nice car. Haven't had a chance to drive the new 3 yet, but I am looking forward to it. Seeing as how dealerships here are closed on Sundays, tomorrow is a good day to do that. Exterior, meh. Interior, bleh. Well, it is not so much bleh, there are some good attributes in there, however when you combine it altogether, like the door panels and then dash, it mixes like water and oil (IMO).

    I have heard too many horror stories about BMW workmanship (anectodatal and statistical).

    The driving aspect of the 3 I am sure is nice, but the ammenities leave something to be desired with respect to my likes and dislikes.

    IS 350:

    Nice car. :D... really nice car! Exterior, wooh! Interior, oh yeaaa! Well, it is not so much oh yeaaa, who am I kidding, yes it is! The interior is very "fresh" and the use of contrasting tones is absolutely amazing, especially with the cashmere leather. I love the interior door panels and they are extremely comfortable. Wow, is that leather soft. The seat fits me like a fine Italian leather glove; perfect. Everything about the interior gives you the impression of smoothness and luxury; very tastefull.

    The driving aspect? Haven't driven it. As much as I would love to, the dealership has not gotten an IS 350 in yet. Regardless, I am not looking to buy until springtime.

    Lexus reliability? No question in my mind that it is the best in the biz.

    My verdict: IS 350 over the 3-series. I love great handling cars, however given the luxuries of the Lexus, its rocketship-like speed, "razor-sharp handling" (so says magazine reviewers ;)), gorgeous design, and its apeal to me, I would say that this is an easy decision. Throw in my confidence in Lexus workmanship due to anecdotal and statistical evidence of reliability and the decision is even easier.

    PS: I hope I don't offend anybody with my prefering Lexus over BMW (reliability and all).


    PPS: BMW Reliability Statistics from JD Powers


    No information based on quality was available for the 1996 model 3 series sedan. The 1997 model scored 4 points out of 5 for each initial quality rating category.
  • That was a preliminary estimate.
  • Yo Mike! I wanted to know is the GS similar to the IS? Since I drove by again but way too many people at the dealership!
  • In interior design it is similar. Some ways I prefer the GS over the IS interior. In other ways I prefer the IS interior over the GS. It's a toss-up. Both interiors are pretty slick though. Can't knock either.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    I have heard too many horror stories about BMW workmanship (anectodatal and statistical)

    Thanks for posting the stats about BMW 3 series from JD Power!

    So where is the horror?
  • Pretty darn consistent.


    No GS was made between, and including, the years 1997-1994 so I included the ES.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    It is undeniable that the Lexus statistics are impressive.Most Lexus models are just as impressive as Toyota Corollas in terms of reliability stats! And I am not being facetious by saying so since we all know that Corolla reliability is bulletproof!

    Again I graciously thank you for providing those BMW statistics because they prove exactly what I was saying in this forum these past 24 hours:

    BMW 3 series are not unreliable!

  • Where is BGDC? Maybe he can enlighten us on his experience with BMW firsthand.

    Dewey, let's just say that BMW levels of reliability are not up to my standards. If BMW works for you then that is no problem with me.

    My odds at having a trouble-free car are much better with Lexus.
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