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BMW 3-Series Run Flat Tires

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  • boston303boston303 Posts: 35
    Boy, this discussion keeps going on and on!! I have yet to speak with a single BMW owner on the streets or even with the BMWCCA who likes run flats!! When is BMW going to wake up? These tires are aweful! They are costly. They are unforgiving on ride quality, they are not readily available in areas we like to drive BMW's... a stupid idea that only diminishes the ability of BMW owners to fine tune their ultimate driving machine to their preference...
  • larry175larry175 Posts: 68
    my 09 is ix. in new england it drives through snow fine. but in missouri with big tires and rear drive you may slip and slide. it might be fun.
  • bigkevbigkev Posts: 33
    yes I had the same thing. (in Australia) my Bridgestone tyres were made in Poland and Bridgestone Australia told me that they would not allow any of their dealers to repair the runflats if punctured and I had to buy a new one. Contacted BMW Germay through my brother in law who lives there and he was told the same thing because Bridgestone claim that if the tyre ever failed or was damaged in an accident the insurance co might claim on them because it has not been proven that runflats are as good if they've been repaired. It's bullsh##t to protect the agreement between bMW and Bridgestone. I changed to non runflats and the ride is 300% better. I now have the lates model 3 series and it's got Continental runflats which are miles better than the Bridgestones but I don't know about repairs (yet - fingers crossed)
  • bimmer4mebimmer4me Posts: 266
    I have Continental RFT,s on my 08 328i and have no issues with them.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Maybe a better thing to say is that you have no perceived issues. My bet is that if you put GFTs on your car you will not believe how much better it rides and handles. ;)

    Best regards,
    Shipo
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,238
    edited July 2010
    . . .I had the same thing. (in Australia). . .

    Interesting to hear that this is even more of a world-wide situation than I had thought. I can't remember the guy's name, but there's a Scotsman who posts from time to time here as well.

    The RFTs are one of the two primary reasons I'm not driving a BMW today. It's apparent BMW couldn't care less. There's always more at the door who will hock whatever they have to to drive a BMW, regardless of much else.

    Some of (many of?) the enthusiasts are dropping away, but so long as the numbers go up, who cares (besides several of us, that is)?
  • Firebird_EOUFirebird_EOU Posts: 250
    Bridgestone RFT 2G is worse than Continentals.

    I don't know what happened to the 3G product.

    http://www.autoblog.com/2009/07/06/reviewed-bridgestone-3g-rft-tires-taking-the-- shock-out-of-run/
  • Run-flat tires are certainly a major issue here in the UK. One of the most discussed issues on the forums, between customers, BMW garages and emails to BMW UK.

    Run-flats have really messed up BMW cars, don't work at all well on a lot of UK roads and without replacing with conventional tires, will have lost a lot of BMW users. In fact some users have turned away from BMW because of the tire issues.

    With normal rubber, the cars can be transformed to what some of us are used to as a 'real' set of BMW dynamics.

    HighlandPete
  • Bridgestone 3G's.....? Seems there is a delay in getting them to production. I've been in contact with a Bridgestone engineer and offered to try a set, they are not yet available in the UK. Word is, they haven't been signed off by BMW. Not sure that is a fact, or just chatter.

    What we do know, they have to be the total solution, or ''egg on face" comes to mind.

    HighlandPete
  • taxesquiretaxesquire Posts: 681
    For those of you who switched to go-flats, any issue with trunk space? I imagine if you put a runflat in your trunk, you'll have virtually no room. A donut will still take up significant space.

    I know this may not be important for day-to-day driving, but over July 4th weekend, my wife and I decided to take my car on the family vacation instead of her minivan, since we didn't expect to go shopping, and the trunk was just big enough for my family of 4. I don't think that would have worked, even if we only used a donut spare.
  • johnsamjohnsam Posts: 55
    For 2 Bimmers (both 3 series) I have run RFTs as they came with the car when purchased new.
    In both caese, I equip the car with a "donut" spare / electric jack (lighter plug in type) / tools etc.
    YES. There is truck space loss but we have not notices that we cannot pack all we need because of it. A day's shopping is the worst situation (more that a weekend's traveling).
    After all, the "donut" sits neatly and quietly on the truck's floor.

    Have a great day!

    JOHN - Springfield, Oregon
  • xeyexeye Posts: 162
    My wife has a 2008 328xi with RFTs. With all the junk she carries around in her trunk, there's no way she could carry a real donut let alone a spare tire of any size. The trunk of my 2011 335i xDrive has my golf clubs, a NOAH car cover and a California Car Duster and, with the notable exception of the golf clubs, I have been able to put all of it to good use.

    My (traded-in) 2007 335xi has 29,150 city and highway miles and 3 New England winters on the Continental ContiProContacts. My wife has about 25,000 miles on the OEM Bridgestone EL42s and my new ride has the Continentals again. Neither of us has had any trouble or complaint whatsoever with the tires. In fact, the OEM tires on the '07 are in such good shape that the car is now on sale at my dealership as a CPO vehicle with the original ContiProContacts.

    Someone will undoubtedly retort that the handling would be better with GFTs but the risk of a serious accident at highway speeds if a tire suddenly goes flat is a far bigger issue than a slight reduction in handling. Since I've never driven my car on GFTs, as far as I'm concerned, there is no difference, and I have the use of the entire trunk all the time.

    Unless, or perhaps until, I have any issues with the tires, I wouldn't have it any other way.

    xeye
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    A couple of points:

    -- Both of your cars apparently have the All-Season version of the RFTs, a longer lived (from a tread wear perspective) and a rather more compliant (but still stiff) tire than the ones mounted on the cars with a sport package.

    -- Cars in general and BMWs in particular have been running around for decades with GFTs and even in the event of a high speed blowout (something that is exceedingly rare), a serious accident is an extremely remote possiblity. Remember, we're not talking about a Ford Explorer here, we're talking about BMWs. Think about it this way, back in the pre-RFT days (which in the case of most manufacturers is today), running down the Autobahn in Germany at 150+ and suffering a tire failure is still very unlikely to result in an accident. Said another way, given the sophistication of modern stability control systems, having a catastrophic tire failure at only 80 mph or so will be no more dramatic than suffering a loss of pressure in RFT tire. Simply pull to the side of the road and have the tire changed.
  • yep, there's virtually no room left after the full size spare. but, then again, i don't use my car for vacationing with the family. that job falls to our suv. I use my car for commuting, running errands, and the occasional grocery. I can also use it for weekend getaways with the wife. just put the bags in the back seat.

    the go flats make the ride so much better, it's worth hogging up the whole trunk with an extra wheel. :)
  • xeyexeye Posts: 162
    All the same, I like not having to change my tires twice a year and having the trunk space. I also like the decreased likelihood of having to change my underwear after a front tire blowout at high speed, resulting accident or not, even in a BMW.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Just messing with you here. ;)

    "All the same, I like not having to change my tires twice a year..."

    Last time I checked, GFTs were still available in the All-Season variety. ;)

    "I also like the decreased likelihood of having to change my underwear after a front tire blowout at high speed, resulting accident or not, even in a BMW."

    If you suffer a spontaneous "blowout" (something I haven't heard of happening in decades, especially with speed rated tires) as opposed to a catastrophic tire failure due to impact, there may be some difference in how the car handles, but at the sedate speeds we travel at here in the States, any difference will be negligible. As for the catastrophic tire failure due to an impact with road debris or a curb or a pot-hole, I seriously doubt the RFT will behave any better (and possibly worse) when it comes to safely getting your vehicle over to the side of the road.
  • xeyexeye Posts: 162
    Most of my driving is in the 'burbs west of Boston or on the highways trying to get out of Boston. I try to stay away from Storrow Drive (rush hour race track for lunatics!) and the more insane areas where the roads go in every direction at the same time. If you're first in line when the light turns green and remain motionless for more than 1.2 nanoseconds trying to figure where the heck you are, the morons behind you get on the horn and will not hesitate to pass you on the sidewalk.

    I've been here 7 years. The thought of having to struggle to get out of the way should the unfortunate flat happen and leave me vulnerable still makes me very uneasy. In this asylum of pseudo-drivers, they can spot injured prey like a lion can sniff out a bleeding antelope from miles away.

    Give me 300 hp, 300 lbs-ft of torque and the Run (-away) Flats any day!

    I also only mentioned the all-seasons because you did. I thought the EL42s and the ContiProContact were the only RFTs available on the 3-series, and they're both all-season tires?

    Your turn. ;)
  • jagostjagost Posts: 13
    I had 23000 miles, and I had thread life remaining, but I got a nail in my tire. So every third day I had to put air in the tire. I was stuck with the following choices, I only needed one tire, but I have to buy the pair for balancing and alignment purposes. But why not replace all for at once. But what happens if I get another nail on my new RFT at 5000 miles, do I replace two tires again for balancing and alignment purposes. I telephone BMW, and they quoted me $1600 dollars for four run flat tires, installed and balance. I called a local tire dealer and I was quoted $800.00 for four regular tires, installed and balance. And if I get a flat, I can patch it for 25 dollars. The ride does feel better.

    On another note. I may have brought another set of run flat tires, if the new 3G RTF tires were out. But Bridgestone and BMW missed up. They announced this new tire technology almost 15-most ago, and as of date, nothing. BMW advises the new 3G will be out next year. Why announce with fan fair a technology that will not be available to the public for almost three years, and make it sound like it is right around the corner.
  • Did you save your 3 RFT tires which you could still use or sell for lease return purposes.

    What non-RFT tires did you end up getting, and did they re-use the tire sensor from the RFTs or did you have to buy new TPMS sensors for 4 tires?

    Did you buy some patch kit in case you get a flat on the road?
  • I put a set of Michelin HX MX M4 tires on my 06 325xi sport wagon about a year ago. Wundebar! Very quiet and great handling.
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