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Saturn Outlook, GMC Acadia and Buick Enclave

navigator89navigator89 Posts: 1,080
edited May 10 in Buick
GM is introducing 3 crossovers, the Enclave, Acadia and Outlook in late 2006 as 2007 models. They will compete with the Highlander, Murano, Pilot and others.

The Buick Enclave is a replacement for the Rendezvous and Rainier.

They will be built near Lansing, Michigan. They will initially offer V6s and later V8s. Right now not much is known about the Acadia and Enclave, only the Outlook.

Outlook information

http://www.saturnfans.com/Cars/Outlook/

Check out these spyshots.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/FVDP/Photos/styleId=100615885
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Comments

  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Can't link them but they are on some of the GM enthusiast sites. So far it looks great, a possible home run.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Will Chevy get a version?
  • navigator89navigator89 Posts: 1,080
    From what I've heard, Chevy wont be getting a version. Thats probably a good idea since there's no point rebadging one vehicle four times, like the way they have done with the minivans.

    Here is a link for the Buick Enclave. (This website is awesome :D )

    Now I'm eagerly waiting to see the Saturn Outlook and GMC Acadia.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    They can price it in the low $30K range, it will sell like hotcakes. Lexus should be at least a little worried.
  • mugs1mugs1 Posts: 1
    Been in the market for a crossover/ midsize suv for over a year. Want to buy domestic but quite frankly designs and fuel economy suck for just about all offered. I will seriously consider this vehicle if GM can put a reasonable engine, and quality assembly. Too bad it won't be built in Canada- hopefully gm doesn't tank before this vehicle rolls
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    I guess we have to wait for the Saturn / GMC versions.

    I hope they are not all clones of each other.
  • I agree. I've been waiting for a vehicle to come out to replace my aging Windstar, and this is it! I want an AWD crossover with third row seats and second row buckets (i.e. an AWD minivan that's not a minivan). The only offerings like this are either much too slow, dull, and/or ugly (Freestyle/Pacifica/Rendezvous), or are way out of my price range (R-class). I think the Enclave styling beats the R-Class hands down. Congratulations to the Buick design team. I never thought I'd ever even consider a Buick, but after seeing this concept I'm ready make a down payment NOW.
  • morey000morey000 Posts: 320
    Buick certainly nailed the styling! The only thing that I don't like about it is the Buick grill, as it reminds me of too many cars that are dull. But they integrated the new Buick engine portholes well. While Edmunds implies that the world doesn't need another crossover vehicle, a better one is always appreciated. And one that doesn't carry the station wagon/minivan image should sell well.

    Yeah, the Mercedes R-class is one ugly vehicle. Right up there with some of the products AMC put out in the early 70's.
  • we do not know the front of the OUTLOOk :(
  • gmhellmangmhellman Posts: 121
    This forum is surprisingly dead....although there has not been any new information from GM regarding these vehicles lately. I have to been looking for a quality, good looking crossover vehicle. I was considering the Ford Edge, but the Enclave styling and options blew me away. I wonder if this is the drivetrain that was built between the partnership with ford. The edge will have a 3.5L 250hp v6 with six speed auto. The enclave will get 3.6l 270hp v6 with the six speed auto. I probably can't afford the buick version, but I suspect that the buick will be the top with saturn in the middle and the gmc at the bottom end in terms of pricing and options. I definitly hope that one model has the option to fold the rear most seat into the floor like a minivan to increase carrying capacity. I would like to see one of these start at around 25,000 for the base and obviously go up from there in terms of options and price. I don't need 4-6 dvd screens or 3 zone climate control. I would be happy with one bigger dvd screem for the rear, infrared headphones and two zone climate control. I definitly think that HID lights are a must and side impact curtain airbags. Each vehicle should come with remote start, and onstar and xm radio, power door locks,windows, adjustable foot pedals and tilt/telescoping steering wheel as standard options. Is this eventually going to be the design that will replace the nox/torrent? Or is this not going to be rebranded into oblivion?

    Greg
  • navigator89navigator89 Posts: 1,080
    From what I know, the Equinox and Torrent arent going away anytime soon. Why should they, after all they're pretty good vehicles with good sales. The new trio of GM crossovers will have 3 rows and will be bigger and priced higher than the Equinox/Torrent.

    I belives they're going to be shown at the New York Auto Show in April, hopefully we'll get more info then.
  • gmhellmangmhellman Posts: 121
    I thought maybe they were being phased out like the Rendezvous and Rainer. I know that the Rendezvous is an older vehicle than the nox and torrent. I drove an equinox and was unimpressed with the steering and the body. It felt like I was driving a bloated over weight minivan with poor visisbility. The styling is better on the Torrent, but it still has the same problems as the nox. I am thoroughly impressed with what I have seen by the pictures and information available on the new models coming out from GM. I am probably more interested in the GMC version as it will probably be more in my price range. The Buick is gorgeous and has some very interesting features, but probably will be priced at more than I want to spend.

    Greg
  • lasberrylasberry Posts: 12
    I recently attended the Oklahoma City International Auto Show. There, I discovered that the Saturn website will have more information on the Outlook around Easter weekend. I sincerely hope that he was correct.

    I recently sat in a Saturn View and discovered that the dash was rather unattractive.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Actually, the Equinox and Torrent arent very good vehicles in 2006 standards, and they sell well, but numbers are definitely boosted by corporate and rental fleet sales.

    ~alpha
  • gtforme2gtforme2 Posts: 23
    I agree. GM got this right. There is virtually nothing I don't like about the styling and interior. Feel the interior is so far ahead of everything out there (with possible exception of Lexus RX330). I hope they stay with it (although need to keep vehicle affordable, if try to price to high won't get buyers). GM quality reputation will be the test, although if memory serves me correctly, recent quality surveys has Buick's coming up strong.

    We have had 4 minivans starting with the Voyager and moving up to T&C's(2). My wife has had it. Didn't want to spend the money on the larger SUV's with poor gas mileage and didn't think got much space for size of vehicle. After driving mid-size SUV's found wanting on space and comfort. However, still somewhat thirsty and ride comfort is only mediocre. Seating was tight (especially with 3rd row). Seating room in Enclave looks like will be car like (roomy).

    I want the HID Lights (neighbor has on Murano and man they make a difference). Love the chrome wheels (combined with the chrome exhaust tips) give a sort of masculine sport look.
  • gmhellmangmhellman Posts: 121
    I completely agree. This is the first midsize SUV/Crossover/Whatever you want to call it that really intrigues me. I have owned GM, Chrysler, Ford and Foreign brands (Honda,Toyota). The problems that I had in the American models were no more different than in the foreign models (except the extra price for the foreign maintenance) I have noticed that many people in the Buick Forums have had less complaints in the new models. I am excited to see the models, especially the GMC and Saturn versions. I think the Buick will probably be out of our price range. Hopefully they will release more photos soon or at least some info.....I am dying to see the final products.

    Greg
  • jimc16jimc16 Posts: 21
    I agree that GM will have a hit on its hands when these 3 SUVs go on sale. I hope they differentiate them with more than trim and wheels. From what I have read, the Buick is well over 200 inches long, which makes it as big as a Tahoe. That's fine as long as one of the models (Saturn I hope) is about 12 to 16 inches shorter. A crossover at about 186-188 inches long would finally provide competition for the Lexus RX350, Acura MDX, BMW X5, Nissan Murano, Infiniti FX, Honda Pilot, and Toyota Highlander, all imports. Ford will be competing in this market segment soon with the Edge and the Lincoln MKX. GM also needs to be in this segment. The new models need a high output sophisticated Northstar based engine, at least as an option. I don't consider the Equinox/Torrent in this market because of their poor Chinese engines and poor steering. They are more in the Suzuki/Kia market.

    Basically, one model needs to be a sporty, high performance miidsized crossover. Even the new Toyota RAV4 offers a high output V6 and sport suspension. GM needs to also.
  • edkleinedklein Posts: 33
    Saw the pics today on the front page. I think I like the Enclave styling a little better, but the Saturn version still looks like a good, high end design. And the new 6 speed is going to be included!

    Perhaps it is too early to count GM out yet.
  • These new SUV's look good. Let's just hope the GM keeps the names on these things (like honda/toyota with there sales leaders). It would be a good strat long term, i think. Who wants to own a car (in the used market) who's name does not exist anymore???

    Good Luck GM.
  • vanman1vanman1 Posts: 1,397
    Like a discount Caddy SRX, very nice.

    Saturn has a few winners in it's future.
  • jchan2jchan2 Posts: 4,956
    Things are lookin' good for the Outlook.

    Now if Saab could do a version of this, maybe they could get back on their feet...
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,096
    So, instead of doing a "Red Line" version of the Saturn Outlook, they can just introduce the Saturn Outlook Express...

    Let's hope the security is better than the Outlook I am familiar with.
  • AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!
  • edkleinedklein Posts: 33
    I can just see the Microsoft lawyers salivating over that one!

    Question - is the SRX on the same platform as these new crossovers? I tried the SRX at one of those GM events and found the interior on that one a real dissapointment. The Buick and Saturn versions of this crossover both have much more upscale looking interiors to me.
  • joey2brixjoey2brix Posts: 464
    Lambda probably got most of it's base from the SRX.
    Maybe if they take off, GM will drop Envoy/Trailblazer/etc. and stick with a single uni-body platform.
  • lgret13lgret13 Posts: 21
    Lamda is an entirly new platform, for front wheel or all wheel drive crossovers or minivans. The SRX is built on the sigma platform, the "CTS" platform and is rear wheel drive or all wheel drive ie the STS/SRX. Lamda was developed to replace the current GM crossover (the rendezvous) as well as eventually underpin the new GM minivans, hence this paltform is much larger than the SRX and similar in size to GM's curent minivans.
  • corvettecorvette United StatesPosts: 4,096
    Haven't seen these cars in person, but in photos, the Saturn interior looks very modern, like a Passat or Acura TL.

    The Buick has lots (lots!) of wood and leather, which reminds me of a Jaguar, but Buick mixes the wood with metal. The vertical leather sectioning on the seats also reminds me of Jaguar. The instrument cluster in the Buick is lit up in a pale blue--it looks very nice. I kind of wish Buick would lose the portholes on their cars.

    I'm interested to see what the GMC will look like.

    I know GM plans to redesign the Envoy... A car-based SUV like the Acadia (and its ilk) or Equinox (and its ilk) would be a better fit for many of the people who buy an Envoy (and its clones).
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