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Saturn Outlook, GMC Acadia and Buick Enclave

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  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    It says the trans is not wide enough to fit in the Lambda?? That does not make sense since between the trans and the wheels are shafts which can easily be lengthened.

    At $4 the only hybrid that is selling well is the Prius and it is selling to people with lots of money ($100,000 HH income). The others, inclucing Honda's, are not selling well.

    I agree there are other reasons to buy hybrids but even now they are still not selling. Not to worry though because the new CAFE regs will force a lot more hybrids.
  • kcoreykcorey Posts: 130
    Keep reading further on down on autoblog. GM has had to recall the batteries! Sorry, but hybrids in a heavy SUV or Lamda...no way. Oh sure, a Prius (or even a small VW)...much different weight ratio. But a Lamda...then add 7 people...luggage...so much for an battery powered car!
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Hybrids aren't selling as well as expected because folks are realizing the truth about them. They only offer a true benefit if they are driven daily stop & go traffic. Take the Mercury Mariner and the Hybrid version...the regular Mariner gets 21/27 mpg, the Hybrid version gets 33/29. So if you don't drive in the city regularly...there's no clear cut benefit to buying one.
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    Right, and most people want a big car/SUV/Truck for the long trips etc. on the highway.
  • husky92husky92 Posts: 56
    Right, and most people want a big car/SUV/Truck for the long trips etc. on the highway.

    Well, I'm not going to start an argument here other than to say that I'm not "most people". I just think that $4/gallon gas is going to get people thinking about ways to save gas. Maybe the technology still needs to mature but personally, I don't see the value of a Prius or Hybrid Civic. The Civic already gets great mileage. I'd love to get 22-24 MPG in my Sequoia.

    As for this notion that hybrids don't sell well, I don't know where that is coming from:

    http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080611/BUSINESS01/806110403

    Sales are down only because they can't make enough of them and yes, because of the battery recall. Demand is way up. I think $4/gallon is significant. Talk to anybody who regularly takes the bus about the number of people taking the bus since gas hit $4. I'd anticipate a gigantic drop in large SUV sales for June.
  • tom178tom178 Posts: 3
    Have you found a solution to your problem? I have an 08 Outlook and when I have the rear two windows there seems to be quite abit of turbulence within the cabin. Lowering the front windows or opening the sunroof remedies the issue but it seems I am troubled by the cars response at highway speeds. The sunroof actually shakes violently and rear view mirror will do the same at times.
  • tom178tom178 Posts: 3
    My new 08 saturn outlook is a beautiful family car. My only question is this. Ha s anyone with an outlook, acadia or enclave experienced cabin turbulence at highway speeds. I am not talking about the flub flub and pressure waves. I am talking about pretty violent shaking from the sunroof and rearview mirror. I am very concerned that I have a serious problem. :sick:
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,049
    So, you're saying this is way beyond the usual helicopter noise that's pretty common with most cars these days?

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  • tom178tom178 Posts: 3
    yes, absolutely which is why I am concerned. We brought it to the dealership and the technician called GM. They said this is usual with all the models. I do not think they understand the extent of the vibrations. I have never seen this before in a car and I am used to the usual "flub flub" sounds as they are normal in many new cars.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,049
    If it's "is usual with all the models" then you should be able to reproduce the noise by test driving another '08 on the lot. If you can't then you should request more investigate work be done by the tech. Bent wheels, bad tires, unbalanced driveshafts come to mind off the top of my head for things to check.

    Recording the noise level in your rig and another one or two off the lot may help convince GM that you do have a problem beyond the norm.

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  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    I've got an '07 Outlook and the same thing happened. I noticed it during the test drive when I put the two rear windows down. I don't know about a violent shaking, but then again...I was only doing like 40-45 mph. Considering I never drive with just the rear windows down...for me it was no issue. Personally, I think it's just a quirk in the overall design and I'm pretty sure Saturn knows of it, but didn't think it would be an issue since most folks don't drive with just the rear windows down.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    The Yukon is a hybrid and gets 21 mpg city, better than a Camry.

    Also there are a lot of Hybrid city buses out there.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    This is typical of a lot of cars/trucks. Has to do with cabin pressure vs. aero of vehicle. Just open a front window slightly.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Right, and most people want a big car/SUV/Truck for the long trips etc. on the highway.

    I do not know about most people but around here with the soccer moms/dads most never get 10 miles from their house. I am dragging the kids from school to tennis to swimming to soccer. In fact the only time I was on the expressway was when I went to the museum downtown.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Until 3 months ago only the Prius was selling. Now that gas is over $4 and everybody is panicing they are selling beyond the capacity of the OEM's. IN other words until recently most all had no problem meeting demand excepy Prius. Even Honda dropped their hybrid.
  • allmet33allmet33 Posts: 3,557
    Right! I have exerienced it in other vehicles before, but like I said...MOST folks really don't drive with just the rear windows down (some do because I see it). That being the case...only a small percentage of folks would ever really comment on it. I'm with you...just crack the front windows or the sunroof (if you have one) to offset the cabin pressure.
  • husky92husky92 Posts: 56
    Even Honda dropped their hybrid.

    I think they dropped the Accord Hybrid because it didn't really get much better mileage over the regular accord and therefore didn't sell. They still make the Civic Hybrid.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Actually I was thinking of the standalone Insight, but that is an unfair comparison since it was a 2 seater.
  • hawkeye15hawkeye15 Posts: 9
    Sorry to all of you that have read my posts in the acadia/outlook areas, but I think it's important enough that I should try to let as many people know about my experience. My only complaints with my Enclave were the unresponsive tranny going into the higher gears too soon and the jerky downshift to 5th on hills. TSB #08-07-30-022 available May 8, 2008 has completely eliminated all problems. The car shifts like you expect a car to shift. It came with a warning that it could decrease mpg, but I haven't seen it happen. I still get 14 mpg in around town short trips and 21-22 at 76 mph on the interstate. I still don't like that it needs to downshift on minor hills, but it isn't noticeable(except on the tach). I would really like to hear from anybody else with this update. Thanks.
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Just got back from a Madison Wisconsin to Detroit michigan trip.

    All highway with 3 stops for gas/food. 75-80 mph pretty much with a couple short slow downs due to jams. Got 23.9 mpg which I am happy with.

    One thing I noticed is that if I kept the rpm below 2000 ( during take offs) the mpg stayed up. If I went over 2000 there was trans kickdown and the mpg dropped quickly. Around town I am trying to keep the revs below 2000 and it seems to really make a difference.

    Per the above post I think the vehicle really is set to cruise at a low rpm for great mpg but if you need the power it kicks down quickly. Remember this is a 6 speed.

    Mine is about 5 months old and I thought it had the updated software but I will check. But I do not have any complaints so I am probably up to date.
  • wlbrown9wlbrown9 Posts: 838
    Good news on the upgrade. Re the downshifting on minor hills. We have an Envoy XL with the 4 sp and 3.42 rear end I believe. It downshifts one gear on some hills, on steeper hills it will sometime downshift a second time. At that point with cruise say on 73 or so, it is roaring along in second :-( definitely hurts to look at the DIC when that happens.

    Bill
  • hawkeye15hawkeye15 Posts: 9
    62vetteefp, If you are satisfied with the way it shifts and drives, I'd leave it alone, but the May update makes the light throttle shift as yours will on a heavy throttle. The new shifting is what I'm familiar with in other vehicles and preferred to have the responsiveness (if that's a word) at all times.
    Wlbrown9-I hear you on the double downshifts-my Oldsmobile minivan used to do that and I had a loud roar that accompanied it. The Enclave only drops to 5th and is super quiet, so I'm the only one that notices it, now, by seeing the tach needle swing.
  • the_big_althe_big_al Posts: 1,073
    I just got done reading the full test of the Outlook and I must say that I am impressed. I was all set a couple of years of getting a Trailblazer, but then decided that if I am going to do that, I might as well get a Suburban when it came time to replace the family vehicle. Which probably won't be for a few years, but I like looking. :D

    Over the years that Trailblazer has been out, it has failed to impress my enough to actually get one. I have liked them, but not enough to actually want to own one. So I started eyeing 'Burbs because I would want to cargo room in addition to the seating capacity... yes I actually plan to have a use for all 8 seats.

    Now I see the Outlook and eventually we'll have the Acacia and the Enclave. I have really liked what I see and it now looks as though this is the vehicle that I would like to get. It gets decent mileage, has seating for 8 and can do so without too much scrunching and has enough cargo room that I wouldn't need the Suburban. I have never really liked mini-vans, except for the Astro Van (call me wierd, but I thought that was a great vehicle), and so if I were to end up with one, I would be settling for something that is functional, but not something I would own because I wanted to.

    So I like what I see... I would probably get the GMC Acacia, but since it's all basically the same architecture, it wouldn't really matter unless there were major differences in the 3 models.
  • wlbrown9wlbrown9 Posts: 838
    "Wlbrown9-I hear you on the double downshifts-my Oldsmobile minivan used to do that and I had a loud roar that accompanied it. The Enclave only drops to 5th and is super quiet, so I'm the only one that notices it, now, by seeing the tach needle swing. "

    I'll see for myself now. I bought a 2008 Saturn XR Tuesday. 145 miles so far. I really do like it. Gas mileage looks decent, better than my '00 Trooper. I have noticed a little bit of the shifting. A lot of my daily drive will be at 45 - 70 but I think I will get used to the shifting between 4th - 5th & 6th. Can't wait to try it out on the road for a trip. Left the dealership and had a 15 mile run on the interstate...reset the MPG on the DIC and got 25+ for that first run. Of course, as soon as I got on city streets it dropped fast and was down to 22 by the time I got home.

    BTW, I'm on my third day and saw that we have a recall...heated wiper fluid. It will be a couple of months before I need anything heated in Memphis.

    Bill
  • 62vetteefp62vetteefp Posts: 6,048
    Thanks for the update. As soon as I get my notice I will have to visit my dealer. Have not been there since I bought my vehicle. Been a fantastic vehicle
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    At least they are steping up to the plate. Only time Toyota steps up to the plate is after their customers either hound them or the courts tell them to. Thats why CR reports on the Camry has dropped so much. So go back to your tinny toyota forums where you belong. :P
  • dmathews3dmathews3 Posts: 1,739
    The problem is when you need warranty work. Their attitude is nothing is wrong, its a toyota its all in your head and thats the way its supposed to work. Go over to the Camry site and read back about all the problems and the people who have sold them at a loss just to get rid of them BECAUSE THEY DON'T STEP UP TO THE PLATE.
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