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Hyundai Azera vs Toyota Avalon vs Ford Taurus vs Chevrolet Impala

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  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Please participate!

    Ford Taurus Prices Paid & Buying Experience

    I need some help in this area!
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    Is it possible to change the name from FIVE HUNDRED to TAURUS ?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    It says Taurus...?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    What name?
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    My mistake :P . I thought I saw the name FIVE HUNDRED instead of TAURUS yesterday. Sorry Pat.
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    :shades:

    Actually, you may have noticed Five Hundred in the categories rather than the discussion name. Taurus is there too so I never removed Five Hundred - we don't have to confine this conversation to new cars by any means.
  • motownusamotownusa Posts: 836
    Thanks for the clarification :)
  • We have been Toyota owners for 18 years, the last 6 in Avalons. Wife and I, she is the main driver of this car, just did not like the exterior of current Avalons when compared to our 2004. We also felt that the Avalon's interiors had been cheapened. More plastic, seats just did not seem as plush, the dash space to windshield is huge, the funky door to the radio/CD. Trunk space went from 16 to 14.0 cu. ft. (We still travel by car at least once a year and four adults need the big trunk.) Plus dealer, who we had bought our last 5 Toyotas from just seemed to not care, as if saying we don't have to work as hard, we're Toyota. We test drove the Azera 3 different times, 3 different dealers, same for Avalon, each time kept coming back to the Azera. Felt for the money, what you get standard, and simple package upgrades, and no dealer add-ons it was a better deal. Regarding resale, what I lose in the end I made up with the price upfront. Reliability, well needed a new trany in the first Avalon within a month, took both in for rattles, squeeks, and noise behind dash. At 15000 miles maintenance told that transmission fluid needed replacement because it was burned. We don't pull a trailer or abuse our cars. We will see in a couple of years whether we buy another Hyundai but that's the fun of trying something different.
  • gamlegedgamleged Posts: 442
    This 2006 Azera Limited is the largest car I've owned, and I'm also trying something different as I've owned only two cars in the past 30 years, a 1977 Accord bought new (died at 328k miles) and a 1990 Accord bought with 28k miles on it (now residing as a back-up vehicle in my back yard with 248k miles on the odo). Resale value means nothing to me, as I plan to keep a car "forever."

    I put my money where my hopes are for the Hyundai marque and I'll hold Hyundai to Honda standards! So far (17k miles) so good... :shades:
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,702
    I put my money where my hopes are for the Hyundai marque and I'll hold Hyundai to Honda standards! So far (17k miles) so good...

    Well just to let you know I have an Elantra that pushing 150K miles that has had only one issue (at around 120K miles). I would think that holds up to any standard out there.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • bobber1bobber1 Posts: 217
    My wife had a Hyundai Scoupe that was shot at 70,000 miles.
  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Its funny how people's tastes can be so different. I came out of an '03 Avalon and feel the '06 is better in every way except the seats. You are right, the seats in the earlier generation were a little bigger and plusher. Other than that, I feel the '06 is better looking, more powerful, better MPG and handles a touch better. Even though the trunk is smaller, I haven't had any problems carrying the same things my '03 carried.

    As for the Azera, you made a good choice there too. For the money it is the best large car "value". If you read back in the forums you will find several very happy Azera owners.

    1999 Chevy S10 / 2004 Merc Grand Marquis / 2012 Buick LaCrosse

  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,702
    Thats unusual as the Scoupe was a halfway decent car.

    However my Elantra is running great at over 145K miles.

    My wifes Accent at 120K miles is running great.

    My daughters Elantra just over 100K miles is running great.

    The only issues with all three cars is that the daughter had to get a new radiator at around 90K miles and my car needed a new exhaust manifold at about 120K miles (which Hyundai replace under warranty).

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    been Toyota owners for 18 years, the last 6 in Avalons
    and later
    Reliability, well needed a new trany in the first Avalon within a month, took both in for rattles, squeeks, and noise behind dash. At 15000 miles maintenance told that transmission fluid needed replacement because it was burned
    Curious then - if you had so much trouble with your older (2004 and earlier) Avalons why on earth would you be buying another one (or even consider buying another one). In my case, it was the simple and 'clean' interior (I like the stereo being hidden behind a door, for example), the updated exterior styling (the car is far from 'pretty' though), and, most of all, the new engine that even got me into what became my 05 Avalon - wouldn't have considered it otherwise.
  • Glad to answer your question.
    First I guess what is "so much trouble", your words not mine, is relative. Except for the above mentioned problems, and with the '01 Avalon needing new battery at 18 months and new tires at 16000 miles (bad tires), we had no other problems with either car. My point was that no matter what the car, one should not expect it to be problem free. Now with a Toyota one does decrease the odds of getting a problem car but it still happens. I am sure the 07 V6 Camry and certain Tundra owners would have something to say.
    2nd, Why would I not look at another Avalon, we really did not have what I considered major problems with any of previous Toyotas. It's a Toyota. My wife and I just did not find the car, in this current style, appealing. If all of us had the same tastes life and cars would be pretty dull. In a couple of years we will be looking again and we will see what Toyota is offering because its fun to test drive and see what's out there.
  • It is fun to see how peoples tastes can be so different. As I responded to another member, life and cars would be dull if we all had the same tastes. Maybe a new topic, "What type of car would all of us agree to own?" What would it look like if we only had one to choose? Boy that would get some member's hearts pumping. Would it be a silver CamCord. We have enjoyed the Azera a lot so far, still some big ifs. Waiting to see just how reliable, it has some quirkyness to it, and when we test drove it and also once bought we took it out for interstate driving and it did very well but I am curious on what it will drive like on our first long trip. Obviously will keep posting since I feel it is important to let people know the good and the bad.
  • I agree, DFW, to each his own! My wife and I just got back from a medium length drive up to Vermont from Upstate New York. One way was about 300 miles. Except to stop for food once, we drove straight. Never had a sleeping butt, cramped knees or aching back. Same thing on the way back. The Azera is a very comfortable touring car, IMHO.
  • From Autoblog;

    http://www.autoblog.com/2007/11/21/toyota-exec-calls-hyundai-strong-enemy/

    You know you've arrived when your competitors not only begin acknowledging that you exist, but actually see you as a threat. Hyundai got to enjoy this distinct pleasure today when Toyota's chairman Fujio Cho told a group of Korean journalists that it was a "strong enemy". Not only has Hyundai completely transformed its image in North America from a slinger of bargain basement econo-boxes to a respected purveyor of reasonably priced, well built automobiles, but it's also going after emerging markets like China, Africa and the Middle East as hard as anyone else. Plus, Toyota has directly felt the sting of Hyundai's success, having been forced to rub elbows with the brand at the top of many recent J.D. Power and Associates reports. Still, calling Hyundai a 'strong enemy' is a bit harsh, no? How about "worthy adversary" or "respected competitor"? Toyota really drives home the point that the business of selling cars is like war and that no 'enemy' should be underestimated.

    Thanks for the tip, catgirlshyla!

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  • scbobscbob Posts: 167
    It's out and Azera did extremely well based on cars through 2006 model year.
  • scbobscbob Posts: 167
    The Jan. 2008 issue is also out and it shows Azera with an 83% owner satisfaction vs. 80% for Avalon in large cars. Only two vehicles in category to make the 80% minimum for owners being satisfied.
    Sometimes it may be hard to believe in reading this and other forums that 83% of Azera owners would do it again. I know I would. :)
    Santa Fe also made the list and it is first time for two Korean cars to be on the list.
  • nceencee Posts: 419
    From what I'm reading - the Genesis is more what folks should be comparing the Avalon to.

    I picked up a 2008 Avalon Touring model and love it (most of the time), but had the local Hyundai dealer made me the offer he did BEFRE I purchased the Avalon, I might have purchased it.

    I didn't take it for a ride as it was more then I was willing to spend, but everything I see and read says it's a great car. About the only thing that might have caused me to think about it, was or is, re-sale value. Right now Toyota has it ALL over Hyundai in re-sale value. A 5 year old Toyota has a much higher re-sale value then a 5 year old Hyundai. I do expect that to change real soon with the new cars they are coming out with.

    It's hard to use that as the only factor, but for me, it's the only factor I worry about.

    I WILL be trying a Genesis out soon (as my Avalon is making much more noise underneath than I'd like), and I'm more likely to consider a Genesis then a 2009 Avalon … at this time.

    Skip
  • gamlegedgamleged Posts: 442
    The Avalon is what I'd likely have bought in 2006, but Toyota wouldn't budge on the price (then) and when I test drove the Azera and talked price with the Hyundai dealer, I drove off in a new Azera Limited, six or seven thousand $s to the good.

    Still happy as a clam with a tad under 35k miles, but I agree that it'll be years yet before the resale value is comparable with Toyota/Lexus/Honda/Accura. Fortunately for me, I keep a car "forever," 20 years with my 1977 Accord, 16 years with my 1990 Accord...
  • In my mind, it would depend a lot on whether I have to drive in snow on a regular basis. FWD, as offered in the Avalon ( and Azera ) will be much better in the snow than the RWD Genesis.
    As far as resale value, yeah, used Toyotas fetch more money, but they also cost more in the first place than a comparable Hyundai.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I agree that it'll be years yet before the resale value is comparable with Toyota/Lexus/Honda/Accura. Fortunately for me, I keep a car "forever," 20 years with my 1977 Accord, 16 years with my 1990 Accord...

    That's great, unless somebody totals your car. Hopefully you never experience that, but if you do, the amount you get from the insurance company might break your heart! I've seen it happen with my aunt who owned a Dodge, and got dirt in return when her vehicle was totaled. It was 11 years ago, but it was enough to make her go to a Honda for its resale (and the then-new CR-V :)). She really took a bath with that Dodge and its poor resale. it was only 3 years old.
  • I certainly wouldn't let fear of totaling my car, as relates to residual value, be a determining factor in my purchase. Vehicle safety systems such as crashworthiness, stabilty control, etc., are important to me, for sure, but not cost replacement.
    I've been driving for nearly half a century and had a total of two minor fender benders in that time. My lack of concern for my car occupying the same space as another is why I keep my insurance deductables at $1000 in order to keep more money in my pocket.
    Besides, you're going to pay more money initially for your comparable Honda or Toyota ( higher MSRP and lower discounting ) than a Hyundai. What's important is cost difference, not how much the totalled car is worth.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    I guess I'm cynical. In my 6 years of driving, being rear-ended twice, run off the road once, and clipped at 75MPH has me thinking about things such as car wrecks.

    Knock on wood, but I've never been ticketed for driving (i go pretty slow), or caused an accident.
  • quietproquietpro Posts: 702
    Sometimes driving slow can attribute to an accident...especially if you're impeding the flow of traffic and causing cars to "bunch up" on the road. Keep an eye on your rear-view mirrors and as long as you don't see a "wagon train" behind you, drive as slow as you like. :)

    As for resale and insurance, I know at least some insurance companies offer full-replacement value vs. simple book value. I think the difference is retail vs. wholesale. In other words, you could replace the totalled car with a comparable model year and make.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    "Pretty slow" equates to "5-10mph over the posted limit" most of the time, closer to the limit when in residential zones. I don't, however, RACE to the next red light, and when I can, I'll coast to the current one I see.

    I'm not a traffic impeder. I work as a courier part time. :)
  • t8935xt8935x Posts: 6
    In my area at least (Long Island NY) HYUNDAI dealers are ONLY offering leases on GENESIS and GENESIS COUPES. And these are not very good deals, since the residual on these cars is quite poor (as of now). No way to lease an AZERA (which, I believe is in its last model year).

    Also, to those who think people who lease are foolish - you should first consider the accounting rules on auto deductions for businesses.

    Tom
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