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Hyundai Azera vs Toyota Avalon vs Ford Taurus vs Chevrolet Impala

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  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,753
    Actually it was less than 6 years old and the paint job was near perfect and it had no rust. And I know the cavalier would have gotten more mileage if I didn't make one little mistake (don't get service at Pep Boys). I seriously doubt I would have done better with any other car be it a Toyota, Honda or whatever.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Have Azeras hit the street yet? Your question is probably more appropriately placed in our dedicated Azera discussion than in this comparo. Good luck with it.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    while it is certianly possible to keep almost any car for 10 yrs/200000 miles, I would consider that unusual. Anybody out there know what the average/median no. of years folks keep cars? I would guess that leasing has actually reduced that number, despite the fact that the durability of most all cars continues to improve. It wasn't all that long ago that a car with 50000 miles on it was considered worn out.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,753
    I think I remember reading that the average car gets about 9-10 years on it. But that doesn't mean that its all one owner. FWIW I think that the average car gets about 15k miles on it a year, 20k seems high.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • I have two 1990 Volvos , 740 and 240 and they are in excellent condition . Very low maintenance cost for
    all the mileage , 138,000 and 87,000. But I would not buy any of the new models.
  • littlezlittlez Posts: 167
    Based on leasing numbers, 15,000 miles per year seems to be average. If the largest chunk of leases are 36 months and then 48 months, there are a good number of 3 to 4 year leases with anywhere between 45,000 and 60,000 miles on them before they're turned In. But, lately 72 and 84 month financing has taken off. I think it's ludacris, but it does lower the monthly payment. Then again that customer is major upside down when they try to trade in about 3 or 4 years.

    I've heard the average a person keeps their vehicle is around 7 years. A little higher for trucks and a little less for cars. But, I'm not 100% sure.
  • Test drove the Limited last weekend...only one in stock to date-it was really a WOW car to drive - quick, very quiet, very roomy, front seat leg room (left side in particular) is very confortable....back seat room, while slightly less room than Ford 500, is very spacious.....good visability - could use a GPS as an option and an AWD might be helpful...dealer said that fully gussied up (Ultimate Package), it should list at just under $30,000 - no red or maroon color available, sad !...with the increased warranty, it further puts Ford and GM behind the curve - for a 75,000 6 yr extended service plan,my Ford 500 dealer wants another $1,055 making the fully loaded 500 Limited (with GPS)list at about $34,500....I think Azera, even though probably not discounted for awhile while the 500 is, will actually be a little cheaper and it is a better car based on my test drives
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    I'm pretty confident that the Azera will sell (at least) at sticker, but that would be reasonable considering what sticker is! One of the problems with the Avalon is that they are impossible to get without $1800-2400 option packs (from the distributor) - largely worthless options obviously designed to pump the price. A full boat Avalon Ltd. will sticker for right at $40k including all the fluff. The Avalon is the 9th fastest selling car (based on no. of days on the dealer lot) despite this, the 500 moving slowly and heavily discounted. Be interesting to see what Hyundai actually does as demand for the Azera becomes more apparent - wouldn't surprise me to see it selling for more out the door dollars than the 500 - and probably worth it!
  • "for a 75,000 6 yr extended service plan,my Ford 500 dealer wants another $1,055 making the fully loaded 500 Limited (with GPS)list at about $34,500.."

    Using Edmunds for a 2006 Five Hundred AWD LTD with every option (including a rear seat DVD entertainment system and Navigation system), I find that the MSRP is $34,050 with an invoice of $31,064.

    Add in the price for you warranty, and the invoice would be about $32,100

    You should easily be able to get that for X-plan price (or less), which would be about $32,400 or so. If you like to haggle much at all, you could probably get it down to $32,000. And if you are REALLY good at haggling, and can get the dealer in a "moment of weakness", getting it down to $31,000 shouldn't be out of the range of possibility.

    Those prices INCLUDE the extended warranty (at the price you quoted).
  • Correction . . I just noticed the $1,000 rebate going on right now.

    So, subtract another $1,000 from the prices I gave above.

    At any rate, you should be able to get the vehicle at invoice, and the $1,000 rebate would pay for your extended warranty.

    So, I'd say you could relatively easily get the vehicle without TOO much difficulty for $31,000. (after rebate and with extended warranty).

    Personally, I'd throw out the rear-seat DVD system and save another grand, and get it for about $30,000.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    looks like you may need that warranty - the Freestyle, 3.0 Duratec/AWD/CVT, and is actually a 500 in disguise just received that highly coveted black circle from CR.
    Or you could opt for an Azera or Avalon, get a real engine, some reliability, and not have to have your car in the shop too often?
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Easy there, the Five Hundred is the vehicle in question and it rates an Average in reliability. Thats just fine for me, personally. I wonder if the issue with the Freestyle is due to the greater mix that are AWD versions...

    ~alpha
  • " I wonder if the issue with the Freestyle is due to the greater mix that are AWD versions... "

    I'm sure the issue is with Communist Reports. LOL

    The AWD system is by Haldex, and is used in several Volvo vehicles. I wonder what CR has to say about THOSE?
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    HAHAHA

    no.

    ~alpha
  • Is it possible to add the Chrysler 300 and the Buick Lucerne to the discussion and/or rename the thread Full SIZE SEDAN COMPARISON ? I think the LUCERNE and the 300 are competitive with the four cars mentioned in this thread.

    Thanks
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    But we can separate that from this if there are strong objections to including the 300 and Lucerne here.

    The floor is open for a day or so for opinions. ;)
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    just my .02.

    I'd be happy to see this forum include Avalon, Five Hundred/Montego, Charger/300, Impala, Lucerne, and Azera. Heck, we could even throw the Grand Marquis/Crown Vic in there.

    Interesting fact- due to its taxi and police duty the Crown Vic sells 80% to fleets. I didnt realize it was greater than 3/4ths! Guess thats why there seem to be so many more old folks in Grand Marqs...

    ~alpha
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,753
    Interesting fact- due to its taxi and police duty the Crown Vic sells 80% to fleets.

    Thats because only rear wheel drive cars offer the performance and handling that most police want in a pursuit vehicle. And the Crown vic is a decent price for the utility needed for a police car.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Ok thats great. My point wasnt to go off on a tangent as to why the Crown Vic makes a great police vehicle, Im sure it is. It was to show my surprise that so few actually find the hands of individual, next-door-neighbor buyers.

    ~alpha
  • The floor is open for a day or so for opinions.

    Given that I shopped the Freestyle vs. Dodge Magnum and the Five Hundred vs. the Chrysler 300, I'd say including the 300 would be quite reasonable.

    Can't speak to the Lucerne . . is that even a car? ;)
  • LUCERNE is a decent car although not class leading in anyway. I think BUICK built the LUCERNE to compete with the AVALON, 500, AZERA etc so I think it would be fair to include it in the comparo. Since the host allows up to 9 cars to be compared I say the more the cars the better the comparo. I have no problem including the Crown Vic also but that car is completely outclassed by just about all the cars mentioned on this board.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    It's probably already been mentioned, but the 500 has the most rear seat legroom and by far the biggest trunk...since size is the main reason you'd buy any of these cars.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,650
    It's probably already been mentioned, but the 500 has the most rear seat legroom and by far the biggest trunk...since size is the main reason you'd buy any of these cars.

    No doubt, the interior and trunk space of the 500 is impressive. My wife just ordered an 06 500 (company car) to replace her 03 Taurus (has been reliable, but completely outclassed by just about anything). Her options via the company fleet were the 06 Grand Prix, Impala, and 500.

    The Grand Prix is a joke, as far as rear seat room and horrible interior quality, the new Impala looks to be a huge improvement over her previous 01 Impala company car, but it seems to me it lost some rear seat space.

    The decision to go with the 500 was for 2 reasons. Interior space, and the 500 comes standard with ABS, and since only base packages are ordered for any model, she wouldn't have been able to get ABS, which she wanted.

    As for power, the 3.0 Duratech is by far not the greatest engine ever made, but going from a Vulcan 3.0L in her Taurus to the Duratech with CVT in the 500 will be a huge improvement. As for the Impala, I'd expect performance to be similar even though the Chevy 3.5 has a bit more HP and torque. The CVT should help offset some of that advantage. Since she would not be able to get the 3.9 engine. The Chevy does get better mileage, but I don't like the tall gearing they use to get it, and we don't pay for the gas anyway.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    The Azera is the first Hyundai product that I would say beats its similarly equipped Toyota counterpart (Avalon), irrespective of the price.

    (Actually, the 2006 Sonata beats the Camry as well, but the Camry is 5 years old. I expect the 2007 Camry to take it up a notch.)

    But anyway, getting back to the Azera v. Avalon, the Azera has better throttle response, has less body roll, and better exterior styling. The interiors are about equal. The Avalon's main advantages are slightly better mpg and available options such as nav and hid.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    "But anyway, getting back to the Azera v. Avalon, the Azera has better throttle response, has less body roll, and better exterior styling. The interiors are about equal."

    Each of those criterion are HIGHLY subjective, unless you actually measured throttle response, angle of body roll, and interior panel gaps and distraction time (from road focus) while using controls. Indeed, the Avalon has not been dethroned as the benchmark just yet, having won comparison tests in the magazines where it has been tested. Car and Driver in particular, in contrast to your report, noted that the new Avalon (Touring) was fairly athletic, and their tested model was $32K.

    What are the features that an Azera Limited plus Premium Pkg ($29,995) has that an Avalon Touring plus VSC, JBL, Moonroof ($32,295) lacks?

    ~alpha
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    "Each of those criterion are HIGHLY subjective, unless you actually measured throttle response, angle of body roll, and interior panel gaps and distraction time (from road focus) while using controls. Indeed, the Avalon has not been dethroned as the benchmark just yet, having won comparison tests in the magazines where it has been tested."

    Yeah, they are subjective, obviously.

    "Car and Driver in particular, in contrast to your report, noted that the new Avalon (Touring) was fairly athletic, and their tested model was $32K."

    In don't see how this is in contrast to my report. All I said was that the Azera exhibited less body roll.

    "What are the features that an Azera Limited plus Premium Pkg ($29,995) has that an Avalon Touring plus VSC, JBL, Moonroof ($32,295) lacks?"

    I don't know. Isn't the Avalon XLS a better comparison to the fully loaded Azera?

    I'm not sure.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    jrock-
    I actually own an '05 Touring and it is significantly tighter than the other Avalon trims - at the expense, of course, of some road noise and bumps getting thru. Keep in mind the Avalon (as well as its Lexus brothers) has a well deserved reputation for smooth and quiet - almost to the point of being total isolation chambers. The Touring not nearly so isolating, of course, and still well short of what a TL or a Maxima feels and sounds like. From your description it sounds like the Azera is somewhere in between.
    The specs on the Azera look great - but, I wonder, if that $3-4g difference won't get eaten up in poor resale value relative to the Toyota. A unfortunate perception problem, perhaps, but something you have to look at if you are not prone to driving cars until the wheels fall off!
  • I'm sure that the Azera will suffer as far as resale value. Has anyone compared the Impala to the LaCrosse? They look very similar inside and are probably the same body. They are built in the same plant. Of course the Buick styling is typical of everything Buick has built since 1998. When the LaCrosses, Centurys, Parks, and LeSabres were on the lot together it was hard to tell them apart although the dealers raved about the "all new" LaCrosse. Sales I'm sure suffered because it didn't look "all new". It just looked like every other Buick passenger car on the lot. Impala looks a lot fresher, but that's subjective.
  • ...some road noise and bumps getting thru..a well deserved reputation for smooth and quiet -almost to the point of being total isolation chambers...

    Test drove my neighbor's Azera and it is marvelously quiet, courtesy of the triple door seals, well designed mirrors, sound insulation, & thicker windows. My '05 Honda Accord at 70 MPH, roars in comparison.

    Acid test: being able to make a cell call at 70 mph and not having folks on the other end know your in moving car....bring on the isolation chambers and the sensory deprivation. On an airliner, it is the noise and vibration that fatigues, to the same extent with a car on a long trip.
  • Nah.
    It is that recirculated, oxygen deprived airplane air that is the culprit.
    And in the car, if you have more than one person, don't keep it on recirculate forever either.
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