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Hyundai Azera vs Toyota Avalon vs Ford Taurus vs Chevrolet Impala

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  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    looks like you may need that warranty - the Freestyle, 3.0 Duratec/AWD/CVT, and is actually a 500 in disguise just received that highly coveted black circle from CR.
    Or you could opt for an Azera or Avalon, get a real engine, some reliability, and not have to have your car in the shop too often?
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Easy there, the Five Hundred is the vehicle in question and it rates an Average in reliability. Thats just fine for me, personally. I wonder if the issue with the Freestyle is due to the greater mix that are AWD versions...

    ~alpha
  • " I wonder if the issue with the Freestyle is due to the greater mix that are AWD versions... "

    I'm sure the issue is with Communist Reports. LOL

    The AWD system is by Haldex, and is used in several Volvo vehicles. I wonder what CR has to say about THOSE?
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    HAHAHA

    no.

    ~alpha
  • Is it possible to add the Chrysler 300 and the Buick Lucerne to the discussion and/or rename the thread Full SIZE SEDAN COMPARISON ? I think the LUCERNE and the 300 are competitive with the four cars mentioned in this thread.

    Thanks
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    But we can separate that from this if there are strong objections to including the 300 and Lucerne here.

    The floor is open for a day or so for opinions. ;)
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    just my .02.

    I'd be happy to see this forum include Avalon, Five Hundred/Montego, Charger/300, Impala, Lucerne, and Azera. Heck, we could even throw the Grand Marquis/Crown Vic in there.

    Interesting fact- due to its taxi and police duty the Crown Vic sells 80% to fleets. I didnt realize it was greater than 3/4ths! Guess thats why there seem to be so many more old folks in Grand Marqs...

    ~alpha
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,560
    Interesting fact- due to its taxi and police duty the Crown Vic sells 80% to fleets.

    Thats because only rear wheel drive cars offer the performance and handling that most police want in a pursuit vehicle. And the Crown vic is a decent price for the utility needed for a police car.

    There are three types of people in this world. Those who are good at math and those who are not.

  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    Ok thats great. My point wasnt to go off on a tangent as to why the Crown Vic makes a great police vehicle, Im sure it is. It was to show my surprise that so few actually find the hands of individual, next-door-neighbor buyers.

    ~alpha
  • The floor is open for a day or so for opinions.

    Given that I shopped the Freestyle vs. Dodge Magnum and the Five Hundred vs. the Chrysler 300, I'd say including the 300 would be quite reasonable.

    Can't speak to the Lucerne . . is that even a car? ;)
  • LUCERNE is a decent car although not class leading in anyway. I think BUICK built the LUCERNE to compete with the AVALON, 500, AZERA etc so I think it would be fair to include it in the comparo. Since the host allows up to 9 cars to be compared I say the more the cars the better the comparo. I have no problem including the Crown Vic also but that car is completely outclassed by just about all the cars mentioned on this board.
  • bobw3bobw3 Posts: 2,997
    It's probably already been mentioned, but the 500 has the most rear seat legroom and by far the biggest trunk...since size is the main reason you'd buy any of these cars.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,627
    It's probably already been mentioned, but the 500 has the most rear seat legroom and by far the biggest trunk...since size is the main reason you'd buy any of these cars.

    No doubt, the interior and trunk space of the 500 is impressive. My wife just ordered an 06 500 (company car) to replace her 03 Taurus (has been reliable, but completely outclassed by just about anything). Her options via the company fleet were the 06 Grand Prix, Impala, and 500.

    The Grand Prix is a joke, as far as rear seat room and horrible interior quality, the new Impala looks to be a huge improvement over her previous 01 Impala company car, but it seems to me it lost some rear seat space.

    The decision to go with the 500 was for 2 reasons. Interior space, and the 500 comes standard with ABS, and since only base packages are ordered for any model, she wouldn't have been able to get ABS, which she wanted.

    As for power, the 3.0 Duratech is by far not the greatest engine ever made, but going from a Vulcan 3.0L in her Taurus to the Duratech with CVT in the 500 will be a huge improvement. As for the Impala, I'd expect performance to be similar even though the Chevy 3.5 has a bit more HP and torque. The CVT should help offset some of that advantage. Since she would not be able to get the 3.9 engine. The Chevy does get better mileage, but I don't like the tall gearing they use to get it, and we don't pay for the gas anyway.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    The Azera is the first Hyundai product that I would say beats its similarly equipped Toyota counterpart (Avalon), irrespective of the price.

    (Actually, the 2006 Sonata beats the Camry as well, but the Camry is 5 years old. I expect the 2007 Camry to take it up a notch.)

    But anyway, getting back to the Azera v. Avalon, the Azera has better throttle response, has less body roll, and better exterior styling. The interiors are about equal. The Avalon's main advantages are slightly better mpg and available options such as nav and hid.
  • alpha01alpha01 Posts: 4,747
    "But anyway, getting back to the Azera v. Avalon, the Azera has better throttle response, has less body roll, and better exterior styling. The interiors are about equal."

    Each of those criterion are HIGHLY subjective, unless you actually measured throttle response, angle of body roll, and interior panel gaps and distraction time (from road focus) while using controls. Indeed, the Avalon has not been dethroned as the benchmark just yet, having won comparison tests in the magazines where it has been tested. Car and Driver in particular, in contrast to your report, noted that the new Avalon (Touring) was fairly athletic, and their tested model was $32K.

    What are the features that an Azera Limited plus Premium Pkg ($29,995) has that an Avalon Touring plus VSC, JBL, Moonroof ($32,295) lacks?

    ~alpha
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    "Each of those criterion are HIGHLY subjective, unless you actually measured throttle response, angle of body roll, and interior panel gaps and distraction time (from road focus) while using controls. Indeed, the Avalon has not been dethroned as the benchmark just yet, having won comparison tests in the magazines where it has been tested."

    Yeah, they are subjective, obviously.

    "Car and Driver in particular, in contrast to your report, noted that the new Avalon (Touring) was fairly athletic, and their tested model was $32K."

    In don't see how this is in contrast to my report. All I said was that the Azera exhibited less body roll.

    "What are the features that an Azera Limited plus Premium Pkg ($29,995) has that an Avalon Touring plus VSC, JBL, Moonroof ($32,295) lacks?"

    I don't know. Isn't the Avalon XLS a better comparison to the fully loaded Azera?

    I'm not sure.
  • captain2captain2 Posts: 3,971
    jrock-
    I actually own an '05 Touring and it is significantly tighter than the other Avalon trims - at the expense, of course, of some road noise and bumps getting thru. Keep in mind the Avalon (as well as its Lexus brothers) has a well deserved reputation for smooth and quiet - almost to the point of being total isolation chambers. The Touring not nearly so isolating, of course, and still well short of what a TL or a Maxima feels and sounds like. From your description it sounds like the Azera is somewhere in between.
    The specs on the Azera look great - but, I wonder, if that $3-4g difference won't get eaten up in poor resale value relative to the Toyota. A unfortunate perception problem, perhaps, but something you have to look at if you are not prone to driving cars until the wheels fall off!
  • I'm sure that the Azera will suffer as far as resale value. Has anyone compared the Impala to the LaCrosse? They look very similar inside and are probably the same body. They are built in the same plant. Of course the Buick styling is typical of everything Buick has built since 1998. When the LaCrosses, Centurys, Parks, and LeSabres were on the lot together it was hard to tell them apart although the dealers raved about the "all new" LaCrosse. Sales I'm sure suffered because it didn't look "all new". It just looked like every other Buick passenger car on the lot. Impala looks a lot fresher, but that's subjective.
  • ...some road noise and bumps getting thru..a well deserved reputation for smooth and quiet -almost to the point of being total isolation chambers...

    Test drove my neighbor's Azera and it is marvelously quiet, courtesy of the triple door seals, well designed mirrors, sound insulation, & thicker windows. My '05 Honda Accord at 70 MPH, roars in comparison.

    Acid test: being able to make a cell call at 70 mph and not having folks on the other end know your in moving car....bring on the isolation chambers and the sensory deprivation. On an airliner, it is the noise and vibration that fatigues, to the same extent with a car on a long trip.
  • Nah.
    It is that recirculated, oxygen deprived airplane air that is the culprit.
    And in the car, if you have more than one person, don't keep it on recirculate forever either.
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