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Shock and Strut Replacement -- Cheap, OEM, or Upgrade?

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  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    Hmm. If you think products like Bilstein or Edelbrock are superior to KYB, we need to take a look at the company. Kayaba Industries which markets in the US under the name of KYB far exceeds that of either Bilstein or Edelbrock.
    Kayaba Industry US

    Also a look a the types of products that they manufacture.

    Products

    All I'm saying is that due to their limited marketing efforts, the technology that this company represents is well understated. As an oem manufacturer one can understand their limited marketing efforts to the masses.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,693
    Regardless they still build to price like any other corporation. Toyota makes a Yaris and they make a Lexus LS.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    Toyota makes a Yaris and they make a Lexus LS.

    True and Toyota doesn't offer a lifetime warranty on either.

    My point is that the person asking about KYB shocks has 256K on the car and doesn't want to spend $1K for replacement shocks when KYB could be had for $400. At this point any shock has to be an improvement over what is leaking now and with KYB he doesn't have to worry about shock failure for the life of the car. To me that's a deal with saving $600.
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,693
    Well he still does have to worry about shock failure, but he doesn't have to worry about paying for the replacement shock. But I tend to agree with you, with 256K on the car, I'd cheap out and go with the KYBs also. I'd do the same on my own car as it is also older, high miles, and not a performance vehicle.
  • dexmondexmon Posts: 8
    Thanks for the advice ,but not because my car has 256,000 miles do i want cheap parts on my car that will not last. What i would like to know is if KYB makes shocks for Lexus why then is thier shocks inferior?
  • dexmondexmon Posts: 8
    Also I use my car as a LIMO in NYC so I am very concerned about getting the same ride
  • dexmondexmon Posts: 8
    What i need to understand is if KYB makes shocks for Lexus under the Toyota brand name then why should the shocks that they are making for Lexus under the KYB brand name any different? Thank you for your advice
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,693
    I guess the best thing I can say is that Toyota engineers have worked out the characteristics for the OEM shocks. I have no idea how the KYBs will react to your Lexus and how you'll feel about that, because I don't know what you're used to or what you expect. My personal experience with KYB is only a database of one person so isn't valid as a judgment.

    Maybe you need to cruise our Lexus forums and see if you can find someone who's made this switch? That might help you a lot to make a decision.

    Lexus 400/430 Topic

    I'll join this discussion myself and maybe I can learn more about how successful this application is.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    KYB as an oem manufacturer makes the shocks to Lexus specifications. Not sure what specification they use to make the replacement shocks. As Shifty says you may want to check the Lexus forums to see if they offer any advice or if any have actually replaced the oems with KYB.

    My point was that from a consumer standpoint I wouldn't worry about the reliability of the KYB shocks.
  • Need the above job doing. Local garage quoted $500 parts and labor, Wheel alignment not included. live North N.J. Is this a fair price ?
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,693
    Depends a lot on what they put in there for parts, so it's hard to estimate. But the labor is about 2.6 hours, so where I live that alone is $300 bucks. I don't know the varying levels of quality available for your car. You may be limited in choices. You can get something inexpensive like a KYB G2 for as little as $65-$70 per strut assembly, or Monroe even cheaper, or you can get fancier with Koni Sports or Tokico.

    so you'd have to know what they are putting in there.
  • Thanks for that.
  • johno1826johno1826 Posts: 2
    New to the forum. I have a 91 Acura Integra with 201K on it. It just started bottoming out recently, took it to my mechanic, he said it needs struts all around, costing around $600, plus $59 for alignment. I asked if the Struts were original, he said they looked like it. I bought the car in 95 with 77K on it and I've never replaced them. Just wondering if it is possible to get 200,000+ out of original struts and is $600 reasonable?
  • MrShift@EdmundsMrShift@Edmunds Posts: 43,693
    Well sure you can drive the car until the struts break in half if you want. It doesn't seem likely that the would be original but sure it's possible. It rather depends not on the strut but how much sloppiness you can tolerate. I believe my struts are original at 140,000 but I am certainly aware that they are pretty worn out. But passengers have never commented.

    $600 bucks sounds fine if they are a decent shock. Prices for labor can vary considerably in different parts of the country.

    Total labor is listed at 5.4 hours. So it sounds like a pretty good deal.
  • zoomrx3zoomrx3 Posts: 1
    You dont have to. I have 280,000 on my stuts in my Mazda. Still original but now it is time to replace. My ride is getting too soft.
  • tschapiratschapira Posts: 1
    I realize I have to change my Struts on my 96 corolla; When the car hits a bump it hurts. But i don't know if I need springs and/or any other part. I want to save $ but i don't want to buy what is not needed or being sold by the mechanic. The car does not rattle, does not vibrate. The car does seem to sit lower and when I brake it will tilt a little forward. Any advice is greatly appreciated. If I need a kit, how much more would it be then just the struts?
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    Be sure to get the vehicle aligned, after the struts are replaced.
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,305
    To maximize profit, the manufacturer usually installed the most economical parts to get it out the door and on the ship. OEM was fine, but there are improved shocks and struts marketed by a few aftermarket parts makers and they are usually of better quality. KYB & Bilstein are just two brands I've invested in and they are worth the extra money in the long run.
  • kiawahkiawah Posts: 3,666
    Euphonium
    This is a 14 year old Corolla. If the OP cared about performance or quality, the original shocks would have been replaced long ago.......and how much more 'long run' could there be on this vehicle? They're being replaced because they have to be replaced. I'm sure anything that fits and works would be fine and 100% better than what they have now.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    KYB would be the choice then often offering superior performance at less cost than OEM.
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