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2006 Subaru STI vs. 2006 Infiniti G35 coupe

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    IIRC C&D picked the Speed6, while R&T picked the spec.B.

    I was with Bob at Zoom Zoom Live and the Speed6 was nice, but there was more turbo lag than I remember with the Legacy GT manual.

    I'd be happy with either one, though.

    -juice
  • nightvznnightvzn Posts: 232
    Yeah, ultimately with closely matched competitors like this, the end user is unlikely to be disappointed with either...

    So probably it comes down to whether you like the "day-to-day" things about the car. I suppose we don't need race-car capability on the street.

    Speaking of which, I dropped off my STI today to get some of those issues looked at, and the loaner they gave me is an Outback wagon. Only 175 hp, but I'm actually enjoying the auto tranny and the comfortable ride (plus for some reason the sound system seems better than mine, even though it's supposed to be the same power). My goodness, I must be losing my edge!
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    For someone like me, who has a family plus a commute to pot-hole central (DC), I could never get away with a car like that. It rides too stiffly for my daily commute, and isn't big enough to be my family car.

    Solution - get 3 cars! :D

    I commute in a Miata and use a Forester as a family car.

    -juice
  • nightvznnightvzn Posts: 232
    I don't have a family to haul so I guess I can get away with only two cars :)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I can't even get away with big rims for my Miata. The CD player skips if the tire pressure is too high!

    The Forester is perfect for my uses, though at times I wish I had the power of the XT (turbo) model.

    -juice
  • nightvznnightvzn Posts: 232
    My mom loves her Forester. But yeah, it's just a bit underpowered anywhere above city speeds.

    I think whenever I drove it, I found myself thinking "I love this vehicle. I just want more power and a less elevated stance." Which seemed to equate to "something from the Impreza line."

    But somewhere along the line I went crazy and bought a sports car.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Sounds like you need a (non-STI) WRX wagon...

    -juice
  • nightvznnightvzn Posts: 232
    Oh ... I forgot to mention I don't particularly like wagon/SUV body styles. WRX sedan is fine for me :)

    Now the only question is transmission. I'm having such a foul time mastering the STI's sensitive clutch. The car bucks and lurches if I don't shift with surgically precise perfection. I never thought I'd say this, after years of frustration with auto trannies dampening the fun of my driving experience, but I'm wondering if I need to go back to it (*gasp*).

    Is your Forester manual? If so, how user-friendly is it? I'm wondering if maybe the STI's high-strung nature is making the clutch more finicky than most, or if I'm just destined to fail at driving stick with consistent smoothness. (No, I'm not just learning stick on the STI, but it's the first manual I've owned and driven every day.)
  • jccai1jccai1 Posts: 106
    I haven't driven a manual G35, so I don't know how different it is. But I'm sure the whimpy all season tires on mine are reducing the car's handling capability. While my G35 is very nice, I find it a bit boring. Wish I had got something smaller and zippier. But I had really gotten something like an STi, I would probably find it hard to live with on a daily basis. Grass is always greener on the other side, I guess.
  • nightvznnightvzn Posts: 232
    Lol .. I had to laugh when I thought "yeah, it looks like green grass until you look closer and see it's just a pile of money."

    Like, you could spend $15k-$20k more and get, say, an Audi S4 which would have all the luxury/refinement of the G35 and most of the performance of the STI. Ah, if only money were no object.

    Your car and mine are probably two of the better performance deals in their price range. Apparently they make somewhat different compromises to get there, though.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Yeah, my Forester is a manual, but it shares no parts with the STI. People seem to love that 6 speed, in fact some regular WRX owners swap out their trannies to get that instead of the standard 5 speed.

    I imagine your issue is more a function of the rev-happy engine; it's a car that wants to go fast.

    -juice
  • I have a regular WRX - 90K miles, the only issue seems to be not getting all the thrust of the turbo - which seems to be a problem of the spark plugs (am about to get them replaced). Other than that, the car has been very reliable.

    - Squeaks - get them serviced under warrenty. Had plenty of these prior to the warrenty expiring. After I had done this, the car only would have the rare occasional squeak after the warrenty was up.

    Tires - go to www.tirerack.com. Good place to get advice and ratings on tires. I ended up with a set of 17" Michellin Pilot Exalto PE-2s Good handling tire, and much more quiet and better riding than other sport tires. Does not handle as well as other sport tires (like the Bridgestones on the STi), but since I put over 20K miles a year on the highway, I was willing to make that compromise.

    Stereo - Because your car has a great deal of interior car noise, your stereo has a much tougher time compensating for it. Changing my tires to quieter tires made my factory stereo seem much louder and clearer.

    If you still need more power/clarity and are unwilling to swap out the OEM unit, you might be able to get an adapter for your stereo to add an amplifier (I think the retail car-stereo stores sell these). Can also look to update your speakers. These two should drastically improve your stereo.

    Cars - There will be an STi limited edition model with more sound insulation and better interior, also a much smaller spoiler. The new G35 looks like a screamer, and the TL and IS350 are not bad either.

    Can't go wrong with a Legacy Spec. B either. Thought the MazdaSpeed had too little noise insulation, as this was a problem with the Mazda6. Does anyone know?

    Test drove a G35 a couple of years ago, with sport, and had the same feeling, it was dull. Of course this was with an auto. The WRX was much more fun.
  • Hey, thanks for your thoughts. It's been a few weeks since anything has happened on this thread.

    In the last couple weeks, I pretty much decided that if I were to keep the STI, I would definitely get quieter tires (maybe even all-seasons) once the originals wore out (which, of course, won't take very long).

    But I've decided I want the WRX Limited. My dealer has one '06 left, in the color I want, and they're willing to give me invoice pricing on it. Yeah, I'm gonna lose a ton of money on this, but at this point, I'll end up spending about the same amount in the long run, and I'll be happier overall. (I've had ads up for the past week, trying to avoid the gouge of trade-in value if possible, but even if I trade in, it looks like I'll make out decently.)

    I've realized there are three things I like about the STI that the WRX doesn't have: insane power, insane road-holding, and xenon headlights. But the touchy clutch and the power probably go hand-in-hand, as do the firm ride and handling. And I can live with halogen (I'm not a "modder"). I got one rattle fixed already, but I'm beginning to realize the rock-hard suspension on that car is going to generate more rattles over the vehicle's lifetime.

    I also discovered I was able to greatly enhance my sound system by unplugging the subwoofer/amplifier! Somehow it was just adding a distorted punchiness that accentuated the hell out of the drums but completely ignored lower-middle (bass guitar, rhythm guitar). I'm much happier without it, and I can crank the bass up much higher now.

    On every other count, I prefer the WRX Limited: I like the spoiler, the wheels, the slightly nicer (and substantially quieter) interior, the managable (but still sporty) ride, the mild-manneredness of the engine/shifter/clutch/drivetrain, and even the moonroof. And I really don't think I'll be too disappointed with the power and handling of the WRX, even if I can't embarrass Corvettes and Porsches anymore.

    Sounds like you're happy with your WRX. I'm sure some people would call me a wimp for not being able to handle the STI. Oh well, a wimp I am then :)

    Until 2006, the STI was my clear favorite of the Impreza line. But then Subaru confused things by giving the WRX the 2.5 and making it a bit more upscale, still for thousands less. The choice should have been clear, but I foolishly chased a long-time dream instead.

    I still think the G35 Coupe 6MT would be my favorite, but with all the options, that's another $5k more than the STI. To hell with that. I'll take my AWD and four doors and be done with it.
  • Still happy with the car. Still handles quite well and fun to drive!

    With the new 2.5L engine in the WRX, it does change things. Not as much turbo lag and more torque down low.

    The STi is a sweet car, but I could not justify it due to my long drives. The first time I went to a summer tire (upsized mine to 17"), the sound, after a while, became annoying. The STi is supposed to be worse, so I completely understand your issues with it.

    The new WRX is nice, happy cruising.

    Not sure you would have been happy with the G35 Coupe 6MT. Test drove one and was surprised. The car has a chopy and harsh ride, at least compared with my WRX, and felt sluggish. The reason it felt sluggish was probably due to the sound insulation, and the chip not being adjusted to more sporty driving, but still. A 350Z seemed much quicker for some reason. Also, the coupe has no head room. Looks great, but a 5'10" friend of mine who was riding in the back had to slouch all the way down in the seat to keep his head from rubbing against the rear window! Would lean towards the sedan for that reason.
  • These two cars are really not in the same league. One is a ferocious rally breed car(STI)... the other one(G35) tried for years to achieve some sort of status in the luxury performance segment and never succeeded. Not in the eyes of true enthusiasts anyway. If STI is too much ... you can find a much better combination of performance and luxury in the ultimate driving machine BMW rather than downgrade to a G35.
  • mnrep2mnrep2 Posts: 200
    the other one(G35) tried for years to achieve some sort of status in the luxury performance segment and never succeeded.

    By what measure did the G 35 not achieve sucess in the marketplace? It revived a company that was going nowhere in the entry level luxury market segment.
  • bigelmbigelm Posts: 995
    By what measure did the G 35 not achieve sucess in the marketplace? It revived a company that was going nowhere in the entry level luxury market segment.

    Exactly.. I hate it when people just talk out of their butt!
  • By what measure did the G 35 not achieve sucess in the marketplace? It revived a company that was going nowhere in the entry level luxury market segment.

    Yeah, that's silly. The G35 has been a smash hit for Infiniti. The new version looks even hotter.
  • Who said anything about marketplace? I am talking about success in the eyes of true enthusiasts not of people who want to upgrade from their Nissan. How many people bought an Infinity after owning a new BMW or Mercedes. I am telling you ...not many.
  • Well, for what it's worth, when I made a recent car purchase, the G35 coupe and STI were the two cars I was deciding between.

    That's why this thread appealed to me, even though I had already made my purchase when I saw it. I'm not the only one interested in these two cars, different though they may be.

    Both cars offered the performance I was looking for in a price range I was comfortable with, and I consider myself a driving enthusiast. Ah well ... I must not be a "true" enthusiast then ;)
  • mnrep2mnrep2 Posts: 200
    Who said anything about marketplace? I am talking about success in the eyes of true enthusiasts not of people who want to upgrade from their Nissan.

    Please explain to me where that standard is measured and then we can debate its' merit. :)
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  • Passion cannot be measured...not in numbers. There is no standard for it. You find it in a car or you don't. And you surely cannot find it in a G35.
    Price range (30000-35000)You want speed -STI and EVO, you want handling and luxury- BMW, you want luxury and status- Mercedes, you want security- Lexus. Infiniti is not as fast as STI and EVO, it doesn't handle as good as a BMW it doesn't have the luxury and status of a Mercedes,it is not considered as reliable as a Lexus. It tries to combine many of the characteristics presented and it completely fails in all
  • mnrep2mnrep2 Posts: 200
    It tries to combine many of the characteristics presented and it completely fails in all

    I am not neccesarily in agreement with you there ;) . I bought a 2005 G35x. In 2005 it was the only awd game in town with up to a 100% rwd bias. BMW was fixed at 60/40. Audi is 50/50.

    The G35x fits my needs perfectly for a fast, comfortable, AWD touring sedan.

    The STI and EVO held zero interest for me and aren't even a part of the entry level sport sedan market. So I think don't see the G 35 as a failure.
  • You completely defile your own post..

    Passion cannot be measured...not in number

    But then you go on and on about information that's ALL NUMBERS!...Speed? Numbers...Handling...Numbers...Quality?...NUMBERS...what is your point anyway? Who are YOU to say this car or any car "Fails" at what it does? Are you the President of some car maker? I guess you should be....you have all the answers...you know what fails and what succeeds in the car industry....Bravo!..maybe you should run GM...the maker of your car. How about you let the rest of us decide what passion we require and what passes and fails...The G35 does just fine at fulfilling a passion w/out making me look like some high schooler w/ a few bucks to burn.
    You do not own one so really....who are you to talk anyway?
  • Passion cannot be measured...not in numbers. There is no standard for it. You find it in a car or you don't. And you surely cannot find it in a G35.

    The part you're neglecting to mention is that this is your opinion. You're stating it as fact, which is why you're angering people with your posts.

    It's a "straw man" argument to state, black and white, that each car is good for one thing and one thing only, and then use that as a reason to rule out the G35 because it's supposedly weaker than several other cars on a particular front in each case.

    Yes, STI and Evo are faster than G35, but G35 is more refined and luxurious. Maybe BMW's handling is a bit sharper than G35's, but G35 is faster and generally less expensive. Status is entirely subjective. Etc.

    I would guess relatively few people are looking for ONE thing in a car. Most are looking for something that provides a compelling combination of strengths, and provides the right overall personal "fit." For many people who are concerned with power, handling, luxury, etc., the G35 is that car. For you, maybe it is not. Either way, it comes down to opinion and subjective preference.
  • Everything I say "is my opinion"(unless I state another source). Just like what you say is not a fact... is just your opinion. If you are free to express yours I should be able to express mine even if is not what you want to hear.
    I didn't say a car should be good in one thing ..what I am saying is that it should excel at least in one aspect while being good enough in everything else. That is where G35 fails in "my opinion". Not fast enough, not luxurious enough, not prestigious enough. It belongs nowhere.
  • What is the connection between GM and the car manufacturers I listed ??????
    I am not trying to help you(G35 fan) I am trying to help other people make a wise decision by showing what a G35 can offer ...nothing.
    I can ask you the same thing. Who are YOU to talk?
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  • mnrep2mnrep2 Posts: 200
    You can hold any opinion you like and it's great that you can post it here for all to discuss. However, I am having trouble understanding how your opinion that the G35 offers "nothing" is saving someone from the horror of owning one. :surprise:

    If you look at customer satisfaction, and even most G35 owners boards. You will find mostly very satisfied people. With the sedan and awd options that this platform offers, it can and does, please a pretty diverse group of people.

    The G35 coupe was picked by Autoweek magazine as sport coupe of the year in 2004. That is not just an opinion but a fact that would be even more useful to someone considering this platform.
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