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Suzuki Grand Vitara vs Toyota RAV4

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  • xostnotxostnot Posts: 232
    Somewhere today, I saw rollover ratings for many 2006 vehicles. I think it was on the NHTSA site. The Rav4 did better than the GV by one or two percentage points. The cheering for the Rav4 should be muted by the fact that's not a big difference, and one would expect the GV to have done worse since it has a higher ride height. If this is the reason for the GV's marginally worse score, the extra clearance has not hurt the stability as much as one might expect.

    I went to the NHTSA's vehicle consumer complaints site and looked up the 2006 GV and the 2006 Rav4. You can do this yourself, here:
    http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/complain/complaintsearch.cfm

    Yes, the Rav4 outsells the GV by 4 or 5-to-1, but the GV has been on the roads 4-6 months longer. The GV has three complaints, of which one is a duplicate, while the Rav4 has 10. Some of those ten are, frankly, frightening. Like the claims of uncontrolled acceleration. We won't know for sure for years which is designed and built better, but comparing the data collected so far on that site does not support claims of Rav4 superiority, at any price.
  • thecatthecat Posts: 528
    the Rav4 outsells the GV by 4 or 5-to-1, but the GV has been on the roads 4-6 months longer. The GV has three complaints, of which one is a duplicate, while the Rav4 has 10.

    Excuse me, I wasn't a statistics major but if we multiply the # of complaints of the GV by the factor (4-5) of RAV sales over the GV we then arrive at a statistical "level playing field" of 12-15 complaints. That would be a 20-50% increase over the complaints of the RAV ... right?
  • xostnotxostnot Posts: 232
    Well, sort of, and I did consider that. Certainly the more copies sold, the more problems you'd expect to find, all else being equal. But for a mass produced product, you'd expect certain problems to appear repeatedly, rather than an endless variety of problems. So I think you have to factor in the variety of problems reported, and the Rav4 is certainly far in the lead as far as variety reported goes.

    At the same time, the GV has had more time to reveal problems, so I thought it fair to let the two considerations cancel each other out and not get into all that. But now I've had to:-)

    By no means is this scientific, since it's a small sample, and there is no control over anything. Perhaps RAv4 owners are fussier, or treat their vehicles more roughly. Who knows? It's a good place to apply Occam's Razor.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Who knows? It's a good place to apply Occam's Razor.

    Unfortunately, even Occam is stymied when the statistics are invalid - i.e. insufficient data.

    tidester, host
  • andrelaplumeandrelaplume Posts: 934
    You are fussier when pay more and have higher expectations.
  • Does anyone notice cabin noise level of both SUV?

    Which SUV has more quiet interior?
    Consumer report indicated the new GV has noisier engine and poor sound insulation compare to RAV 4 V6 model.

    Can anyone confirm Consumer report results?
  • I have a 2006 GV V6, haven't try the RAV4, it didn't suit my needs. Personnaly I don't consider the GV as noisy and I'm really happy with it.
    I would not choose a new car based on the interior noise level. However, if I follow your idea, that you consider a RAV4, then you don't really need a true 4x4, so I would go with the Santa Fee, which is the most confortable and quieter of all of them, based on all the comparaision I read about all the new SUV since last year.
    Regards.
  • I like all 3 models suv but my major decision will be base on interior noise level, engine noise output. My hearing is damaged thus I have to protect my ear drums. I can't risk more exposure to loud noise on long trip.

    I have to test drive all 3 models to make decision. I just want more feedback from everyone so I have more info.
  • Then the Santa Fee would fill your needs, regards.
  • Sure, a Rav4 would fit most of your needs, according to the Toyota site. But on their site, when you compare the Rav4 to the GV like over half GVs stuff is "not available" Yeah the Rav4 has served its purpose through the years as a small tiny suv, and changing its looks in 06, the same year as GVs new bold look. But if you do look at the prices and all the standard equipment on the GV its sure is hard to beat. Plus if you compared all base models GV has 185 over the 166 the base engine of a Rav4 supplies. Gv's warranty also overcomes Toyotas 60month 60,000mile warranty with their 84month 100,000mile warranty. The quietness of the cabin is hard for me to compare, since i dont have a Rav4, but the only thing i hear with my windows up is that zippy engine that doesn't really sound like its pistons pounding around but more like a zzzzzzzzz or something. I don't think you can trust in their comparisons since it is all about marketing their car to be better. And the GV has this kick [non-permissible content removed] 4x4 system that is sure to out preform the Rav4 off the road. But if you want to stick out from the hundreds of Rav4s on the road, the bold/stone/angry looking GV with its outstanding 4x4 capabilities is sure to catch someones eye on and off the road. And i dont want to brag but i did drag race this Rav4 on the street, and blew it away ;)
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