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Suzuki Grand Vitara vs Toyota RAV4

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  • xostnotxostnot Posts: 232
    The '06 GV has really been taking in on the chin for poor mileage and a crude V6 from many corners, especially Rav4 fans. The epa rating for the GV is 30mpg CDN, while the V6 Rav4 is rated at 36mpg.

    Well, the other day I was driving on a flat, straight road, with no traffic to draft, and no wind. I waited until I was holding the speed steady, with the mileage indicator varying by no more than plus or minus .1 l/100km. At 110 kph, the GV was getting 9.8 l/100km, and at 100kph it was getting 9.0 l/100km. So I was thinking that the epa rating probably is for more like a simulated speed of 80kph, not 100. I slowed to 80, waited for the throttle to settle out, and checked the reading. 8 l/100km. That's 36mpg using the Canadian/Imperial gallon. It would be 15% less for the US gallon.

    It has just over 5000 km on it now. When it had 200km on it, driving at 110kph, on flat and level, with no wind, but in winter and with the roof rack crossbars and 5 pairs of skis on the rack, and the tires underinflated, it settled at 11.8 l/100km.

    So it appears to me that these results are consistent, and better than the epa rating now that it's nominally broken in, in warm air, with nothing on the roof, and with the tires inflated to the spec 32lb. pressure.

    AND, if this turns out to be typical, then it means all the criticism the GV has been getting, much of it credited to a crude engine, is simply wrong. And given the GV is always in AWD, it means it's actually doing better than Toyota's much-vaunted sophisticated engine and superior engineering.

    This is definitely worth keeping an eye on.
  • Why do so many GV owners have to validate their vehicle purchase decision by posting on a RAV4 board? :confuse: For me, the GV's underpowered V6 and fuel economy just don't cut it. You love the GV? Good for you! Now move on! You're not getting any admiration or buyer's remorse form THIS satisfied RAV4 owner. :D
  • campdraftycampdrafty Posts: 10
    The GV vs. RAV board shows up on BOTH the Suzuki and Toyota boards, that's why. And after buying my third Suzuki GV - and after test driving both the GV and the Rav - this was a purchase that I didn't have to justify - it was simply a no-brainer. :)
  • thecatthecat Posts: 528
    it was simply a no-brainer

    Well the implication here is that if you bought a RAV you don't have a brain. I take ubbrage at that suggestion.

    I'm glad you like your GV and you're intitled to your opinion. My experience wasn't the same as yours. I found the GV's engine to be unrefined by comparison to the V6 RAV. Gas mileage was another consideration ... and then there is the resale value issue. So, as it turns out it is a "brainer" after all.
  • campdraftycampdrafty Posts: 10
    it was simply a no-brainer . . .

    For me. That statement was made by me and applied to me only. That you took it as "ubbrage" (did you mean "umbrage"?) was your choice.

    As for resale - yes, the resale on the Rav should be worth more (then again, who knows how the new GVs will be on resale - should be interesting and hope it's more than past models) - but the thousands I saved on the purchase price of the GV (compared to what I would have paid for a Rav) may make up for it. Mileage is also a consideration, but from what I've read on various forums, including ravs, some people haven't been getting the mileage they should. Haven't tested the mileage on my new GV yet. :)
  • bm000092bm000092 Posts: 70
    With my GV, on average during winter time (when it was below zero), I was getting 20/21 mpg. Now on summer time my average is 23/25 mpg. This is base roughly on 70% city and 30% highway. When I do highway only, running at 70 mph, I'm doing 30 mpg.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,910
    This is a comparison board so the whole point is to point out the pros and cons of the two rigs (in a civil manner of course :shades:).

    Check the title again. ;)

    Steve, Host
  • xostnotxostnot Posts: 232
    Posts on the Rav4 vs GV topic on www.rav4world.com very well cover the reliabilty, resale value, quality and mileage issues. No need to repeat them, except to counter those who parrot the claims of Rav4 superiority.

    I think it's very fair to say, given my post above, and others, that the relative mileage advantage of the Rav4 is being seriously challenged.

    I'd also say that if the GV had more soundproofing, and softer suspension, it would seem just as "refined" as the Rav. It's very simple and cheap to achieve that impression. I thoroughly sound insulated an old cheap car, and afterward it seemed vastly more "refined".

    Suzuki should put out a version that matches the Rav4 for off-road incompetence and interior decibel levels, and get the mileage ratings corrected. Maybe then a few of those Rav4 buyers would be smart enough to pass on the Rav4's Toyota cachet, and pocket up to $10,000.

    I say all this without taking cabbage at anyone.
  • xostnotxostnot Posts: 232
    Is there some way to fix the Consumer Rating scores at the top of this topic to reflect the '06 GV and Rav4's? Instead of the '05 Rav4 and older GV's. I would imagine everyone's interested in the scores for the current models.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,910
    That issue has been on the bug list for a while. Seems like 2006 is the current model year for both the GV and RAV4 (which is sometimes an issue during the model changeovers). I'll check on it again.

    Steve, Host
  • xostnotxostnot Posts: 232
    Somewhere today, I saw rollover ratings for many 2006 vehicles. I think it was on the NHTSA site. The Rav4 did better than the GV by one or two percentage points. The cheering for the Rav4 should be muted by the fact that's not a big difference, and one would expect the GV to have done worse since it has a higher ride height. If this is the reason for the GV's marginally worse score, the extra clearance has not hurt the stability as much as one might expect.

    I went to the NHTSA's vehicle consumer complaints site and looked up the 2006 GV and the 2006 Rav4. You can do this yourself, here:
    http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/complain/complaintsearch.cfm

    Yes, the Rav4 outsells the GV by 4 or 5-to-1, but the GV has been on the roads 4-6 months longer. The GV has three complaints, of which one is a duplicate, while the Rav4 has 10. Some of those ten are, frankly, frightening. Like the claims of uncontrolled acceleration. We won't know for sure for years which is designed and built better, but comparing the data collected so far on that site does not support claims of Rav4 superiority, at any price.
  • thecatthecat Posts: 528
    the Rav4 outsells the GV by 4 or 5-to-1, but the GV has been on the roads 4-6 months longer. The GV has three complaints, of which one is a duplicate, while the Rav4 has 10.

    Excuse me, I wasn't a statistics major but if we multiply the # of complaints of the GV by the factor (4-5) of RAV sales over the GV we then arrive at a statistical "level playing field" of 12-15 complaints. That would be a 20-50% increase over the complaints of the RAV ... right?
  • xostnotxostnot Posts: 232
    Well, sort of, and I did consider that. Certainly the more copies sold, the more problems you'd expect to find, all else being equal. But for a mass produced product, you'd expect certain problems to appear repeatedly, rather than an endless variety of problems. So I think you have to factor in the variety of problems reported, and the Rav4 is certainly far in the lead as far as variety reported goes.

    At the same time, the GV has had more time to reveal problems, so I thought it fair to let the two considerations cancel each other out and not get into all that. But now I've had to:-)

    By no means is this scientific, since it's a small sample, and there is no control over anything. Perhaps RAv4 owners are fussier, or treat their vehicles more roughly. Who knows? It's a good place to apply Occam's Razor.
  • tidestertidester Posts: 10,110
    Who knows? It's a good place to apply Occam's Razor.

    Unfortunately, even Occam is stymied when the statistics are invalid - i.e. insufficient data.

    tidester, host
  • andrelaplumeandrelaplume Posts: 934
    You are fussier when pay more and have higher expectations.
  • Does anyone notice cabin noise level of both SUV?

    Which SUV has more quiet interior?
    Consumer report indicated the new GV has noisier engine and poor sound insulation compare to RAV 4 V6 model.

    Can anyone confirm Consumer report results?
  • I have a 2006 GV V6, haven't try the RAV4, it didn't suit my needs. Personnaly I don't consider the GV as noisy and I'm really happy with it.
    I would not choose a new car based on the interior noise level. However, if I follow your idea, that you consider a RAV4, then you don't really need a true 4x4, so I would go with the Santa Fee, which is the most confortable and quieter of all of them, based on all the comparaision I read about all the new SUV since last year.
    Regards.
  • I like all 3 models suv but my major decision will be base on interior noise level, engine noise output. My hearing is damaged thus I have to protect my ear drums. I can't risk more exposure to loud noise on long trip.

    I have to test drive all 3 models to make decision. I just want more feedback from everyone so I have more info.
  • Then the Santa Fee would fill your needs, regards.
  • Sure, a Rav4 would fit most of your needs, according to the Toyota site. But on their site, when you compare the Rav4 to the GV like over half GVs stuff is "not available" Yeah the Rav4 has served its purpose through the years as a small tiny suv, and changing its looks in 06, the same year as GVs new bold look. But if you do look at the prices and all the standard equipment on the GV its sure is hard to beat. Plus if you compared all base models GV has 185 over the 166 the base engine of a Rav4 supplies. Gv's warranty also overcomes Toyotas 60month 60,000mile warranty with their 84month 100,000mile warranty. The quietness of the cabin is hard for me to compare, since i dont have a Rav4, but the only thing i hear with my windows up is that zippy engine that doesn't really sound like its pistons pounding around but more like a zzzzzzzzz or something. I don't think you can trust in their comparisons since it is all about marketing their car to be better. And the GV has this kick [non-permissible content removed] 4x4 system that is sure to out preform the Rav4 off the road. But if you want to stick out from the hundreds of Rav4s on the road, the bold/stone/angry looking GV with its outstanding 4x4 capabilities is sure to catch someones eye on and off the road. And i dont want to brag but i did drag race this Rav4 on the street, and blew it away ;)
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