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Toyota on the mend?

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,150
    edited March 2010
    I don't know why you're responding to my post telling me what to do. I didn't talk about the Legacy.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • delthekingdeltheking Member Posts: 1,152
    Yup ,it was for Greg`s post.. Getting my facts right this time !!! :shades: :P
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,150
    Thanks. I was pointing out the type of discrepancies in CR's treatment of cars that I saw. Don't know anything about Legacy.

    2014 Malibu 2LT, 2015 Cruze 2LT,

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,314
    i never mentioned boxy vehicles, was referring to sales volume.
    not sure how much longer toyota can keep subsidizing the brand.
    the new ft-86 is going to be a toyota or scion?
    branding it a scion would be a mistake, core toyota brand needs the help.
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  • steverstever Guest Posts: 52,454
    edited March 2010
    I've never known a SUCCESSFUL company who stayed successful by not listening to their customers, nor their employees.

    The article is a bit disconcerting. Listening to customers is one thing but usually customers don't even know what they want.

    The companies I really admire are the ones that put their employees first. Give them the tools they need to do their job and they'll keep the customers happy and coming back.

    Everyone, please check out the Comments: Consumer Reports/JD Power Rankings discussion for more on that topic. And check out True Delta too.
  • andres3andres3 Member Posts: 13,729
    ABC's local news network in San Diego has found that the driver claiming UA in his Prius down Hwy. 8 in San Diego has the following disreputable track record:

    1)Record of recent bankruptcy Ch. 7 being upside down by more than 70,000 dollars.
    2) Record of being upside down on 2 houses.
    3) Record of having more than $50,000 in credit card debts.

    This guy reaks of fraud and corruption, so much for you anti-Toyota people and Toyota haters' "star" witness.

    Next UA claimant please. This case is dismissed as frivolous! *slams gavel*

    :mad:
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  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Everyone in San Diego is upside down by at least that much on their homes. Nothing new to see with that info. Exponent must be working overtime to discredit anyone with UA on Toyotas. One of our posters likes to use Truthaboutcars.com.

    They are caught in a lie and trying to discredit the San Diego Prius UA owner.

    BS Alert! Runaway Prius Owner Claims His Prius Was Recalled But Turned Away By Dealer; Fact: Prius Recall Hasn’t Started Yet
    By Paul Niedermeyer on March 9, 2010

    http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/bs-alert-runaway-prius-owner-claims-his-prius-w- as-recalled-but-turned-away-by-dealer-fact-prius-recall-hasnt-started-yet/

    They are Wrong as they are much of the time in their defense of Toyota.

    September 30, 2009

    Toyota is recalling 3.8 million Lexus and Toyota cars because the floor mats can slide onto the accelerator, potentially causing uncontrolled acceleration. Owners of the affected models are being asked to remove the floor mats until they can be replaced with a safer version.

    Toyota and Lexus vehicles affected are:

    • 2007-2010 Camry

    • 2005-2010 Avalon

    • 2004-2009 Prius

    • 2005-2010 Tacoma

    • 2007-2010 Tundra

    • 2007-2010 ES 350

    • 2006-2010 IS 250 and IS350

    What about Sikes?

    While no on is claiming Sikes wants to cash in, experts said he may face questions because of his financial situation.

    According to his bankruptcy records, he had a $700,000 debt. Additionally, his debts included two homes he was upside down to the tune of $240,000. He had credit card debt to deal with, including $12,000 owed to Bank of America, $38,000 owed to Citibank and $15,000 owed to Discover.

    Brian Pennings of the CHP said, "There was nothing in this evidence of the vehicle or evidence of his statement or our observations to discredit his statement as of Monday."

    The CHP has closed its case just as Toyota and federal investigators begin theirs.


    Sounds a lot like the hatchet job on Joe the Plumber. The American way to handle those we disagree with.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Member Posts: 27,150
    We see the pluckers completely lambasting anyone with a problem with the "sacred" vehicles of toyota.

    It happened during the sludging (excuse me, gelling) problems, and will happen with anything that shines a light on the lowered level of toyota products. Things have changed folks; it's not your father's toyota anymore.

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  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 13,665
    gagrice....I'm beginning to see a pattern. "thetruthaboutcars" has never been a web site I put much stock in as they seem to specialize in car "yellow journalism" (and I use the rod journalism loosely when describing them)....even before this Toyota fiasco. Now, I'm wondering how much money Toyota has thrown at them to post fabrication?

    I can see, especially in the last couple of weeks, the typical type of Toyota behavior we've seen in the past.....only more of it. That's not good, especially for them.
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  • legalmanlegalman Member Posts: 6
    Toyota has been forced to hand a 'smoking gun' memo produced by its own factory workers to US investigators probing a spate of system faults.
    The two-page document, sent to president of the company Katsuaki Watanabe in 2006, warned of systematic threats to car safety.
    Damningly

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1257161/Toyota-smoking-gun-mem- o-staff-warned-safety-issues-FOUR-years-ago.html#ixzz0hsGpWQFW
  • rcummelinrcummelin Member Posts: 184
    Toyota has been forced to hand a 'smoking gun' memo produced by its own factory workers to US investigators probing a spate of system faults.

    Oops! Looks like Pandora's Box has finally been opened! I'm willing to bet that we have NOT seen the end of Toyota's woes yet. After all, this mess actually started in 1995 when Toyota began "decontenting" their vehicles, starting with the (then new) Tacoma pickup, which was so full of problems it was amazing. ;)
  • PMOPMO Member Posts: 278
    I would beg to differ. You see the big three Dealers are in fact in the business of used Cars not the Manufacturers. I have yet to see a Used Car run on any car line. This would mean you putting the blame on the Dealer not like so many of you used car buyers who think the Manufacturers are to blame. Dealers buy from Auction add 3/4/5000 and grab you off the street as you skip by. This would be a blind thing to pay what the dealer is asking and not dicker or buy new.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    link title

    "It'll stop people from saying, 'Oh, their sales are down, their brand is bruised,' "
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Member Posts: 4,277
    link title

    The 76-year-old member of St. George Greek Orthodox Church was there to drop off items for a tag sale and tried to park her car when she experienced a problem that sounds like those that have prompted a massive recall on the cars.
  • PMOPMO Member Posts: 278
    edited March 2010
    It is telling people that Toyota can not give them away,but look at what is going on(Toyota is giving them away) 0% and all . Go Get one today to keep the plants in Japan running.You could not call this a Sale just more cars off the lots.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    I would say the sale should generate some interest. When they offer about $9000 off MSRP on a decently loaded Camry with 0% financing. Take a chance on UA.
  • PMOPMO Member Posts: 278
    I have looked a gift horse in the mouth.
  • ben66ben66 Member Posts: 243
    Come on guys, what if tomorrow Madoff comes out from prison and tries to sell you mutual funds again, saying " I'll give you 35% discount if you buy from me "

    My answer will be hell no ! But funny eh, toyota has been proven to be a crook of a corporation, yet people still bite their incentives. Wonder why ? I mean I definitely will not buy from such a dishonest corporation who are mean to not just their customers, but their own employees as well.

    As least Madoff did not kill people mind you.
  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 13,665
    ben....as the W.C Fields line goes (or was it P.T. Barnum)..."there's a sucker born every minute."

    "Toyota's unsafe? Bah....who cares. I got a deal."

    The bad thing is, it's probably going to take a fiery crash, with more lives lost, before the public really gets up in arms about unsafe Toyotas/Lexus.

    Until then, Toyota's stance has been...."hey, our cars may be unsafe, but look at the deals we're giving on them."

    Even sadder, many people will bite, regardless of the peril they put their loved ones in, or the people who're driving around them on the road.
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  • krzysskrzyss Member Posts: 849
    edited March 2010
    if you buy manual Toyota (it is proably rare animal) you have at least 2 additional ways (compared to automatic) to disconnect engine from wheels: clutch and gear lever. If I wanted to buy manual Toyota it seems to be good time to do so.

    I do not think that all people buying Toyotas now are suckers.

    Krzys
  • moparbadmoparbad Member Posts: 3,870
    The Humbling of Toyota
    A combination of high-speed global growth and ambitious cost cuts led to the quality lapses that have tarnished the once-mighty brand. How it all went wrong


    Good read. 1999 is when I discovered evidence of cost cutting in Toyota models that was a departure from Toyota's fanatical adherence to excellence.
    Makes sense to me that the decline started under Hiroshi Okuka's leadership.
  • graphicguygraphicguy Member Posts: 13,665
    mopar....good read. I don't think many of us would disagree with Business Week's assessment.

    50 deaths and counting, precipitous fall in quality and safety, thousands of consumer safety complaints. And now, the lawsuits on top of the 8.5M recalls.

    Dark days for Toyota, indeed.

    Totally up to them at this juncture. They either cooperate and comply with our regs, start making and designing quality vehicles again.

    Or, the other choice, flounder around (like they are now) and hope that was once a great car company doesn't sink into "also ran" status.....or worse.
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  • rcummelinrcummelin Member Posts: 184
    Yes, good read. For many years, I have told my friends and colleagues that if they wanted to buy a new Toyota that was equal to the quality of pre-1995 Toyota vehicles, they would have to buy a Lexus.

    Now it seems that even Lexus has fallen under the scrutiny of excessive cost-cutting and may suffer from some of the same lapses in quality as Toyota has.

    What a shame.
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    1)Record of recent bankruptcy Ch. 7 being upside down by more than 70,000 dollars.
    2) Record of being upside down on 2 houses.
    3) Record of having more than $50,000 in credit card debts.

    This guy reaks of fraud and corruption, so much for you anti-Toyota people and Toyota haters' "star" witness.


    Seriously, that's the kind of argument you have to construct to still be able to cry "Yay Toyota"?

    So far we've been asked to believe that all those Toyota drivers experiencing SUA are either old, illiterate, inexperienced, stupid , enfeebled, or maybe a combination of the same, and now we're told that if they're financially troubled then they reek of fraud and corruption!!!

    Please, if that's not a cry of desperation I don't know what is.
  • newdavidqnewdavidq Member Posts: 146
    edited March 2010
    "50 deaths and counting"

    The hand wringing and knashing of teeth on this issue is truly amazing. People
    instinctively know and assess risk in their daily lives. They know that this brouhaha over UA is way overblown, by some on this forum, and of course by the media.

    Toyota is putting up some very good sales numbers right now and it would seem that people have come to grips with the "danger" posed by Toyota autos and are fighting back their fear and are buying Toyotas in large numbers. (check Jan and Feb sales numbers)

    Finally, after all this furor dies down one might assume that Toyota cars might just be the safest brand of all. The company will have gone through a rather rigorous safety examination and if still in business may benefit in the end from this affair.

    Regards, DQ
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    edited March 2010
    They either cooperate and comply with our regs, start making and designing quality vehicles again.

    I wonder if they still have the personnel with the skills and experience to be able to do so.

    Just a couple of points from the 'smoking gun' document in which workers brought their concerns to management and were ignored.

    "The memo warned that an increasing number of problems that led to vehicle recalls were arising not at the manufacturing level, but in the planning stages. "

    The company is threatened by: combining vehicle platforms, the sharing of parts between models, the outsourcing of planning, a shortage of experimental data on prototypes because of shortened development time, a shortage of experienced specialists and an increase in working hours for employees

    Requests: a priority on safety, a review of cost-reduction measures, better training for contract workers, a return to craftsmanship. .


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1257161/Toyota-smoking-gun-mem- - - o-staff-warned-safety-issues-FOUR-years-ago.html#ixzz0hyY7HSYV
    (link from post 6959)

    "Toyota acknowledged today that senior management had seen the original memo, but said they had responded to just one of the requests - a suggestion that management look into ways of reducing the total number of hours worked by employees each year."
  • houdini1houdini1 Member Posts: 8,327
    Wow, from listening to some of you a person would think that Toyota is practically out of biz. The truth is, sales are up and the stock price is up.

    Can you say "backlash"? What is the point of this overblown, hysterical smear campaign while no one really knows what the problem is and the investigation is still underway? It is very puzzling.

    Who would have thought that the UAW would still be harboring this much resentment against Toyota's success !

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  • PMOPMO Member Posts: 278
    edited March 2010
    I watched in horror of how the Canadian Safety Transport Department Investigates. The investigators sit by a phone for complaints.(17 for Toyota in a Year) Then try to phone them,the call will not go through. The trick is if Toyota informs them o :surprise: f a recall then the idea is to sit in office and Toyota will tell them when the recall is done. I have noticed the GM and Ford have Toyota cars in for Trade because of the recall . The Department of transportation could Phone them to see how many were brought in? Floor mats are not a problem ,because Toyota told them Canadian floor mats are better in Canada. Then the Toyota's that are bought in the US and shipped to Canada for resale will not count either.Sticky pedals no problem in Canada never a call.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Toyota autos and are fighting back their fear and are buying Toyotas in large numbers. (check Jan and Feb sales numbers)

    You consider double digit negative numbers over a year ago good sales? When all the other automakers are in the plus column. They may do well in March with 0% financing. That adds about $5000 incentive to a basic Camry. If I could get that generous financing money in the form of a discount on a Tacoma, I may be interested in spite of the hazards of owning a Toyota DBW vehicle.
  • mac24mac24 Member Posts: 3,910
    Can you say "backlash"? What is the point of this overblown, hysterical smear campaign while no one really knows what the problem is and the investigation is still underway? It is very puzzling.

    I think most of the smearing is being done by the pro-Toyota people against those unfortunate enough to suffer SUA.

    I believe all vehicle manufacturers produce cars with defects, but this backlash isn't really about defects. It's about the almost unbelievable way Toyota has handled the feedback it's had about those defects from both its customers and its workforce.

    Now we have Toyota denying even the possibility of an electronic problem, which to my mind at least, gives them the same level of credibility as the tobacco executives who solemnly declared that they honestly believed there was no link between cigarette smoke and lung cancer.
  • newdavidqnewdavidq Member Posts: 146
    Are you saying that for a mere $5K you would take your life in your hands and buy a Toyota? Or are you saying that Toyota vehicles may not be all that dangerous after all?

    www.autonews.com/

    Incidentally, as you own a Sequoia, don't you wonder how that vehicle slipped out of the factory apparently unaffected by the slipshod process at Toyota?

    I generally agree with you on almost everything but beg to differ on the Toyota issue.

    Regards, DQ
  • puffin1puffin1 Member Posts: 276
    Do you think the same software is used in a Lexus,or any other model Toyota puts out?
    Also, what is a brake over ride system?
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    Incidentally, as you own a Sequoia, don't you wonder how that vehicle slipped out of the factory apparently unaffected by the slipshod process at Toyota?

    Fit and finish seem to be up to the old standards of Toyota. The only cheap john items seem to be the electronic gadgets, NAV, DVD, CD audio equipment. They really dumbed down with the next generation of Sequoia/Tundra vehicles. I am not sure how much of my 07 Sequoia is DBW. I think the linkage on the column for the transmission is mechanical. Nothing flaky there. So the positives outweigh the negatives for me. I doubt I would buy a new Tacoma. I only put about 2500 miles a year on my Ranger PU. Not really worth getting a different PU.

    My point is Toyota will have to offer big incentives to get people back into the showrooms. 0% financing for 60 months is about as big as incentives get.
  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Buyers Flocking Back to Toyota

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  • lemkolemko Member Posts: 15,261
    Sounds like Toyota is going to put a nail into one of their most cherished attributes - resale values. Without quality and resale value, what has Toyota?
  • silvercoupesilvercoupe Member Posts: 326
    Looks like Ford is offering the same on many of their cars. Other manufacturers are also.

    http://www.fordvehicles.com/cars/fusion/incentives/results/index.asp?model=Fusio- n&year=2010&zip=35210
  • ingvaringvar Member Posts: 205
    Same like it was before - an appliance for moving from point A to point B. I never understand people who paid lot of money for the rusted junk called Toyota instead of buying nice GM or Ford car.
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    edited March 2010
    There is life outside of Edmunds after all. I haven't read the 230+ posts that I missed. Maybe gagrice sold his Sequoia? And possibly imidazol has bought it? A lot's happened in the week:

    Biller's been discredited (follow the money!)
    Gilbert's been discredited (ditto).

    And now, James Sikes has been discredited (you got it -- follow the money!)

    Last I received an online survey request from Toyota for my '04 Camry. Is this a coincidence or what?

    I gave the car flying colors except for some niggles, since there were so many specific questions: a slight creak in the driver's seat when you get in the car and move your body about, the gas filler door that doesn't fit quite flush against the quarter panel (but that may only have occurred after the panel was replaced due to a hit-and-run), and ...drum roll... those glossy painted bumper covers that get scratched and dinged after the slightest "love tap."

    Of course the last is a symptomatic of all such covers that are in near universal use with exception of pickup trucks.

    I forgot to mention a pet peeve, again all too common these days -- speedometers that go up to 140 mph or more, crunching all the useable numbers into half or less of the speedo dial.
  • kenymkenym Member Posts: 405
    Or, the other choice, flounder around (like they are now) and hope that was once a great car company doesn't sink into "also ran" status.....or worse. :sick:

    You mean like Government Motors :shades:
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    edited March 2010
    From the AP:

    WASHINGTON -- The roads today are full of hazards: Runaway Toyotas, teen drivers texting, commuters using the rearview mirror to check their hair while juggling cups of scalding coffee. Nonetheless, the number of people dying on the highway is the lowest since the 1950s.

    The Transportation Department said Thursday that its projections show total traffic deaths declined nearly 9 percent in 2009 -- to 33,963. That's the lowest toll since 1954. In 2008, an estimated 37,261 people died on the roadways.

    The newest numbers fit into a trend of steady decreases since 2005, when an estimated 43,510 people were killed.


    This is good but still too high, and no doubt some of the decline is due to the recession. It would be wonderful if we could keep the 9 percent annual decline going, as opposed to the 17 years between 1991-2007 when the toll fluctuated between 39,250 and 43,510. (The low during this period was also a recession year --1992).

    These numbers contrast to the 52 alleged deaths from Toyota sudden acceleration, whether caused by vehicular malfunction or not, over a 10-year period. Seems that those buying Toyotas today are making a rational assessment of risk, besides of course the financial incentives. And I'm not selling mine, even though some data show the older models may be more "risky" than the ones currently being investigated.

    I've said it before however: One death though is one too many -- Drive safely! And don't ignore those recall notices for ANY car!
  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    September 30, 2009

    Toyota is recalling 3.8 million Lexus and Toyota cars because the floor mats can slide onto the accelerator, potentially causing uncontrolled acceleration. Owners of the affected models are being asked to remove the floor mats until they can be replaced with a safer version.

    Toyota and Lexus vehicles affected are:

    • 2007-2010 Camry

    • 2005-2010 Avalon

    • 2004-2009 Prius

    • 2005-2010 Tacoma

    • 2007-2010 Tundra

    • 2007-2010 ES 350

    • 2006-2010 IS 250 and IS350


    Point taken, Gary, but the actual letter sent to owners mentions a phase-in schedule because of the sheer number of cars recalled. The Prius was given lower priority (no pun intended) -- my son in NYC with his '06 still is waiting -- in favor of the models with more complaints, namely the Camry, Avalon, and Lexus ES.

    Also the "sticky pedal" recall was announced later, and that pushed the Prius further back, because the Prius is made in Japan with Denso pedals not subject to this second recall.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,314
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  • greg128greg128 Member Posts: 529
    Sounds like Toyota is going to put a nail into one of their most cherished attributes - resale values. Without quality and resale value, what has Toyota

    I can just imagine if Chevrolet, Ford or Dodge had manufactured a pick-up truck
    that would within 10 years have a frame that was so rusted out to the point that gas tanks and spare tires were in danger of falling from these frames. These forums
    would be filled with posts about what junk the domestic car maunufacturers are
    making.

    Toyota Tacoma and Tundra frames are rusting out to this extent to a point that
    they are unsafe to drive, and within a relatively short time. Obviously Toyota
    has been using inferior steel for these frames or the steel is too thin.
    I have been driving pick-up trucks for 30 years. I have never known of one Chevy or Ford that have had this problem. A 1994 Ford F-150 that I sold to my neighbor needed new brake lines due to rust but is still a daily driver to this day. My Nephew drives a 1992 Chevy CK with 250,000 miles which looks and drives great. I drive a
    2006 Chevy Silverado and I checked the frame and it looks pristine.

    I guess Toyota gets a pass because they are of course so much better. People
    that buy them are much smarter. All those people who buy Fords, Chevys
    and Dodges are idiots.
  • PMOPMO Member Posts: 278
    I understand if you have a new GM Ford or Chrysler the trade is Even after you pay the $10,000 down 0% financing.
  • gagricegagrice Member Posts: 31,450
    There is life outside of Edmunds after all.

    Glad your back. I was afraid it was something I may have said. Still got the Sequoia. Probably keep it as I cannot justify buying a smaller car just to get a few more MPG.

    Less than an hour ago from AP:

    Runaway Prius case presents nagging questions

    No evidence has emerged to suggest that Sikes was dishonest when he called 911 on Monday to report that the accelerator of his 2008 Prius was jammed during a trip home from his lawyer's office.

    Sikes and his car emerged unscathed, but the incident has been another major headache for the Japanese automaker amid questions over the safety and reliability of its vehicles.

    The California Highway Patrol has repeatedly said it has no reason to suspect a hoax. It does not plan to investigate the incident or perform a mechanical inspection because there were no injuries or property damage. Investigators from Toyota and the federal government are also looking into the incident.

    "There is no factual information that I'm aware of, or the highway patrol is aware of, that would discredit his story," agency spokesman Brian Pennings said Friday.


    The Prius electronics FAILED to shut down the car when the brakes were applied. The car was hauled in. If Sikes was some kind of whiz kid, which is highly unlikely, when would he have had time to destroy the evidence of his misdeed? Toyota would love to discredit this guy. They still need to prove their Prius did not experience UA.
  • beachfish2beachfish2 Member Posts: 177
    "I never understand people who paid lot of money for the rusted junk called Toyota instead of buying nice GM or Ford car. "

    Oh wow. Seriously? BWAAHAHAHAHAHA. Sorry, you've stretched the truth so far that it broke. I hear they made a few rusty truck frames, but other than that all I've ever owned or seen have been clean. And it's very humid here. The James River is even tidal and brackish downtown - 100 miles from the ocean.

    Thanks, I needed that laugh. The new HL Limited did very well today - 4+ hours on the interstate and lots and lots of rain squalls. Very stable in the wind. People move over for a Toyota. Okay, okay it is sort of big and silver and moving at a steady clip.

    I admit it, I had a rusted '75 Datsun B210. It sure wasn't a Toyota though, those were nice as I remember it. No, it was a rusted '78 B210 with an Earl Schieb paint job over it. The '75 didn't last long enough, it got spun around in the intersection by a '72 Impala going 35ish through a stop sign. Went across and knocked 3 cars up on the curb - real nice Camaro, Mustang and something similar. Killer little Datsun 4-cyl. in the '78, but bad rocker panels - heck, the bottom half all around. I sold it to a woman with 3 kids and she drove it to Wisconsin and back to Virginia. Ran great for having 100k on it. It was the fist-sized holes that made it look funny.

    John
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Member Posts: 19,314
    i think the areas that salted the roads have the vehicles with the most frame problems.
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  • 210delray210delray Member Posts: 4,721
    Nothing you say would keep me away! I just had to take a break, as the posts were piling up at too fast a clip.

    I really wouldn't hang my hat on that Sikes guy's story. He's got a rap sheet that makes the Balloon Man look like an altar boy.

    Someone said it best, if you're going to go public with a story, you better make sure you have a clean background. In today's world of the internet and the 24/7 news cycle, every charge of possession, trespassing, drunk in public, fraudulent insurance claims, you name it, WILL BE found out.
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