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Honda Accord (1998-2002) Maintenance and Repair

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  • thanks much, that is something to think about.
  • did you do anything to clean out all the regular oil when switching to synthetic?
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    did you do anything to clean out all the regular oil when switching to synthetic?
    No.
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    I would run a more dense 5-20 synthetic than M1. I would prefer Pennzoil Platinum 5-20. $20 in a 5 quart jug at WM.
  • bajajoesbajajoes Posts: 48
    The primary reason to switch from regular to Synthetic oil is the ability to safely go more miles between oil changes. Synthetic oil will not degrade as fast as regular oil under normal use. I started with regular 5w-30 and switched after the first 50,000 miles. I didn't do anything different when I changed to Synthetic except leaving it drain overnite to remove as much as possible.
    I noticed No difference in oil consumption.
    The Amzoil Oil Co. advertises 25,000 miles or 1 year between changes. I only drive aprox 10,000 miles a year now so I change my oil once a year. They sell an oil testing service which I used after my first year/10K use and the Co. that analyzises the sample reported No degradation and very little contaminants. It was their opinion that under the same useage/conditions it could have lasted at least twice as long. Tht made me a believer!
    ON a side note I am retired Airline employee and wanted to try it because all Airlines use Synthetic oil in the engines.
    :shades:
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    The Accord owner's manual states (and I agree) that you can use Synthetic oil, but NOT to extend the maintenance intervals. Wether it is dino or synthetic, it still gets the same amount of contamination. Why wouldn't it? Every time you start a cold engine, condensation gets into the oil, and blow-by still happens. I use Mobil 1, but I still change it between 3k and 4k miles. How does using sythetic oil reduce contaminants? Answer, it doesn't. If you are switching to synthetic, to extend the change intervals, just stick to dino, IMO. I switched to synthetic to reduce sludge build up, that's it. I have doubts about how reliable these oil analysis companies are.
  • Where I live, oil changes cost only about $20, so what is the big deal about changing oil once every six months? I have never heard Honda recommend synthetic oil, so I wouldn't change after all these years of using regular oil. Also, the quality of "regular" oil has greatly improved over the last several years.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    I didn't say Honda recommended synthetic oil. What I said was, Honda says it's OK to use sythetic oil, so I do. I also don't have a problem with changing oil every six months, as long as it's not over 4k miles (for my car). The op said his engine was rebuilt at around 98k miles, so that's only about 20k miles ago. I am hoping using synthetic oil will prevent sludge build up. An oil change with Mobil 1, and a Honda filter costs me less than $30, (and I know some rookie at Jiffy Lube or WalMart didn't screw it up). I can handle that.
  • mrbill1957mrbill1957 Posts: 818
    One of the claims of synthetic oil is better gas mileage. I use synthetic oil in my 04 Accord, but don't have proof if it helps with mileage or not. If it does, lets say by +2mpg, I change oil at 5000 miles, with gas at approx. $2.50/gal, thats a savings of $25, which just about pays for the oil and filter that I change myself.

    Mrbill
  • If using synthetic oil would really give the Accord 2 more miles per gallon, why wouldn't the Honda engineers recommend it? Maybe they are stupid?
  • mrbill1957mrbill1957 Posts: 818
    I guess they are!!!

    LOL

    Mrbill
  • jodar96jodar96 Posts: 396
    I am surprized as this. All I can think of is that you do a lot of short stops may be in cold weather. One thing all can do if we do have a lot of stop and go driving, is that once a month, get the car on the highway, and go somewhere for an hour to allow the engine and the oil to warm up to its real operating temp. This allows the oil to fully flow through the engine and also allows the engine and exhust to get rid of moisture.

    My 93 Ford Ranger with 4.0L V-6 engine and 145K miles is lightly used, but once a month I take it to my 70 mile work commute. It still has the original muffler, and I change the oil once a year using regular oil.
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    I am surprized as this. All I can think of is that you do a lot of short stops may be in cold weather.

    Not in cold weather. Here in South Louisiana the temperature has been between 95-100 degrees with very high humidity. During the week, my car gets mostly short trips (less than 4 miles). I think any oil my engine consumes, is easily replaced by condensation. The Accord owner's manual interval for "severe conditions" is 3,750 mile oil changes. I will go with that, even using synthetic. Some engines are probably more prone to cause sludge than others, but by the time you find out your engine does, it's too late.
  • bajajoesbajajoes Posts: 48
    There are many individual strong proponets of oil change intervals and type of oils.
    (Regular vs Synthetic)
    The bottom line is that each of us will do what we consider in the best interest of our vehicles.
    I am sure no one wants to ruin their engine and with some length of experience we determine what works best for our vehicle, engine, and type of miles driven.

    There is no one answer that satisfies us all.

    And if we find that something is not working correctly we change.

    Usually with experience and age comes something we find that works and which we like.
    :shades:
  • cgphil1cgphil1 Posts: 29
    I know that this has been discussed here before but I wanted to know if anyone has bought an evap canister & shut off valve for their Accord at any discount parts store and if so where. local shop replaced the evap bypass solenoid and 2 way valve to fix P1457 code for $370.00 including diag fee. CEL is still on and they want to install the new part for $283.00. I can install part myself just needs to know best Honda parts online store to order from.
    Thanks
  • I am sure synthetic oil is fine, but to me it isn't worth the extra expense. I know some cars like Mercedes require synthetic oil, in which case you should keep up with that. Consumer Reports said they could find no obvious difference in either oils, perhaps if you drive very hard miles, it would be worth it.
  • bajajoesbajajoes Posts: 48
    If any posters on the Forum are interested in having their oil evaluated the link is:
    www.oaitesting.com Phone# 877-458-3315 Oil Analyzers Inc.

    A sample kit for testing and 2 way UPS shippimg cost $27.85 when I last used it.
    It involves taking a midstream sample when you change oil.

    You will recieve a detailed analyisis of your oil and a phone number to talk to a representative if you want a more detailed explanation regarding what the evaluation means.

    They test Oil, Fuel, and Coolants.

    :shades:
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Can these people who analyze oil tell you that sludge is building up in your engine or not? I doubt it, since every engine is different. The oil from two different engines could look the same, but not protect the same, in those different engines. I'm not convinced these companies can see inside my engine, by looking at my oil.
  • Oil sludge appears mainly in certain engines that have not been well-designed. Toyota comes to mind in that regard, not Honda. Honda apparently has had trouble with some of its transmissions but not oil sludge, not that I have heard of. Of course if an owner never changes the oil that will damage any engine.
  • bajajoesbajajoes Posts: 48
    What kind of vehicle and engine did you expierence a sludge build up in?

    :)
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    When my 92 Accord (stock F22 engine) had just over 100k miles on it, the pickup screen on the oil pump got clogged up enough that the oil light would come on at low rpm (idle). This was despite 3,000 mile oil changes (religiously). Apparently, it doesn't take much to clog up these screens, because there have been other Accords with the same problem. This engine (03 V6) may not have the same type of screen, but I'm going to try synthetic, and see how many miles I can get that way. I plan to have this car for a long time.
  • bajajoesbajajoes Posts: 48
    Re:'92 Accord
    Did you get it New or Used? (miles if used)

    I read that you are in Louisana so I was wondering if driving conditions were
    rural, pavement or some combination of both?

    When I was on the farm in Ks. conditions were frequently dusty with gravel roads
    which necessitated more frequent everything.

    The only way I know of checking on Sludge Buildup is dropping the oil pan or taking off a valve cover.

    Oil analyisis only tells oil condition.

    :)
  • bajajoesbajajoes Posts: 48
    I was checking '92 Honda Accords on Edmunds Review of them and according to
    them '91,'92, and '93 Accords had "significant" engine problems but I didn't run across sludge buildup as an issue.
    You may want to pull it up and see if their listed Reliability reports mesh with your experiences.
    There was some interesting reading and responses by consumers,
    almost all of which were very favorable.

    :)
  • bajajoesbajajoes Posts: 48
    I ran across a message on the Forum:
    Honda Accord (1990-1993) Maintenance and Repair
    On Page# 1 and Msg# 7 the writer states that oil prior to 1999 was not as effective
    as current oils in regards to sludge buildup.
    Can anyone expand on this and explain why?

    :surprise:
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    Re:'92 Accord
    Did you get it New or Used? (miles if used)


    I bought the car new, in 91, and kept it until 03, after I bought the new Accord. I had very few problems with it, but most of them are common for that model. I spend a lot of time on other Accord forums, and many owners still report the same issues I had. Oil leaking into the spark plug holes was a big one. The radiators were prone to crack at the top of the plastic tank, and there were plenty of frantic posts about "my oil light comes on at idle". I was always able to fix the problems myself, so the car was very cheap to own. I don't think I want to pull the oil pan, just to check for sludge, at least not at this point (67k miles), but I will remove the valve covers when I do the timing belt (at 105k).
  • bajajoesbajajoes Posts: 48
    Can you share any thoughts on your experiences with your 2003 Accord V6?

    I would have loved one in my '01 but it wasn't offered with the manual trans and

    I have always enjoyed a stick.

    The extra power of a V6 would have been fun and I doubt the difference in mileage is

    an issue.

    :)
  • elroy5elroy5 Posts: 3,741
    I love the V6 engine. It moves the car effortlessly and silently around town. If an Accord takes off from a stoplight, and you can't hear the engine, it's probably a V6. ;) I get 23mpg around town, so I don't think that's bad at all. Where the V6 really pays off is out on the highway. I'm not one to ride in the slow lane, so it's nice to have that passing power. You don't have to sit behind slower traffic, waiting for a large opening to pass. The car has been at least as reliable as the 92 was to this point. I am well satisfied. The V6 engine has spoiled me, and I don't think I would go back to 4 cylinder power now, without a fight.
  • blufz1blufz1 Posts: 2,045
    Ditto,Elroy. The V6 Accord feels like a completely different,upscale car,vs. the I4. Was the #14 car smooth or what?
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    It's all relative. When I made the move from my 130hp '96 LX to my '06 model with 40 more horses and a lot more sound-deadening material, I felt like I'd moved into a road-rocket. My best friend just got an 05 V6 that I've driven; it is a real hot-rod, but I don't mind wringing power out of my 2.4L once in awhile when I need to; it sounds great at 6000 RPM, and gets upper 30s on trip mileage at 75-80 MPH. That balance works for me. :)
  • I guess I'm still on the fence whether to switch or not, but thank you very much to all of you who replied!
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