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Hyundai's reputation is dirt compared to Honda and Toyota. Get your head out of the ground and see what people want out there. It ain't Hyundai.
Go ahead and pick the sludge thing against Toyota, and try to convince the rest of the world they're mistaken buying a Toyota. Then ask em about Hyundai and get ready for the snickers.
Currently, driving 2006 denali and 2002 gs 300 lexus
Previous cars
1998 BMW 318 Convertible
1994 Pathfinder
1988 Chevy Nova
I loved all my cars which I purchased all new.
However, I will take a ride in anything but purchasing is something different.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Yeah, what's up with that?
I guess I'm weird, since I have no strong feelings about them one way or the other.
But I'll add another car to my list:
- GMC Yukon Denali
The closest SUV to the Simpsons' "Canyonero F (for "Female") Series" out there..."see Homer, instead of a cigarette lighter, it has a lipstick holder..."
I am truly convinced that if every Honda and Toyota fell to pieces two blocks from the dealer people would still be proclaiming how great they are. Its a cult type mentality.
Most people who actually buy Hyundais stand by them and would buy another. That does say something.
FWIW I know two Hyundai owners who used to have Toyotas that will not even look at toyotas due to the engine sludge problem.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
You see if I am interested in a car and I see someone at the gas station filling one up or lading something into it in the parking lot I ask them about it. These people raved about their cars so I took a chance. So far (130k miles) it has proven the correct choice as I put zero dollars into it other than routine maintience. My sister cannot say that for any of the toyotas she has had.
Will I buy another? Maybe, maybe not but I will have the Sonata on my short list for sure.
I have done my research and I stand by my statement that they make cars as well as anyone else even the Japanese. If you do your research you will find that others say the same.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
So I'd call a Hyundai a cheap car, but I wouldn't intend it as an insult. It is a low-priced car, so it does fit in that sense. As for shoddy construction, I dunno...I don't think I've seen a crappily put-together Hyundai/Kia in some time now. At least, looking at them new they seem okay. I see used ones that have been torn to hell, but I blame that on the owner and the way the car was treated moreso than how it was built. Low perception? Well, I wouldn't be ashamed of one, but I realize that others might be. If I like a car enough, I'm not going to care what others say about it. And low content? Definitely not in this case...usually Hyundais and Kias pack an awful lot of content and features into their cars for their given price point.
"Most people who actually buy Hyundais stand by them and would buy another."
My bother-in-law sells Toyotas and he would beg to differ with you on that one. He deals with customers every day who bring in their Korean vehicles (to include Hyundais) and can't wait to get rid of them because they absolutely hate them. On the other hand, he deals with many, many happy repeat Toyota owners.
Also, I'm not talking about perception, I'm talking about facts. FACT: Honda and Toyota has produced the most reliable vehicles over the last 20 years, not the Koreans. FACT: The Koreans were producing some of the most UNRELIABLE cars on the road as little as 5-10 years ago. FACT: while the Koreans have improve the quality of their vehicles, they have not achieved the same level of build quality as that of the best Japanese companies. It's possible they may never get there.
Keep making your ridiculous claims if you so desire.
:confuse:
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Case in point: I, for a long while, decided that I wanted a Scion tC. Then, I realized that I would rather have a four-door rig, so I turned my attention to the Scion xA, mostly likely a purchase of a RS 1.0(used in Absolutely Red)or 2.0(new, in Blue Streak Mica). Well, those Toyota-built rigs are fine, but our 2001 Kia Sportage 4x4, which has never even burned out a single lightbulb, was treating us like royalty. Not only that but the OEM Hankook SUV tires lasted me 102,000 miles and still covered a nip of the top of Lincoln's head. These Kia's are tough and they are great snow-cruisers, too. It will take a better Kia than the one I have to get me out of my current Kia. That is what I am mulling over now, do I want the better gas mileage of the smaller 2006 Kia Rio5? Or the great 4WD capabilities and solid, rock-steady, reliable performance of our 2001 Kia Sportage 4x4. Decisions, decisions.
Needless to say, I dropped my interest in Scion automobiles. All the while, being a guy that constantly reads automotive news on the net, Kia was building their 2006 Rio5. I read about it and read some more and, lo and behold, the Rio5 came out and reviewers started driving it. Guess what? I started getting really interested in the 2006 Kia Rio5. Kia has done it again, offering a car that packs so much content into it that I can't ignore it. For a low price. Even if I pay retail for my Rio5, I will only give about $14,190. That is for a 2006 Kia Rio5 with a 5-speed manual tranny and hand-crank windows, non-power windows and locks. I look at that lack of power this way: those items will be reliable because they're manually-cranked, so it'a a plus for me.
Also, and this is how I think Kia has upped the Japanese, the body styling of the Rio5 is superior to anybody's bodystyling, anywhere. They are simply masters at their craft.
So, I get a car that still carries the industry's best Warranty, the Long-Haul Warranty, and I get a great looking little sparkplug in the new-world-order 2006 Kia Rio5.
Oh, why did I drop my interest in the Scion tC and xA, you might wonder? All kinds of ticky-tack problems, especially with the Scion tC. Scion doesn't back up their rigs with a decent Warranty, either. Why not?
So, Kia wins. Again.
Toyota is not good enough for me. Kia is. So, to me, Kia is the better carmaker.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
If you drive stick, test drive the Rio5 before you get too excited. It has the sloppiest shifter I have witnessed in a long time. Apart from that, what you say is true: it's cute, has decent content for the price, and lots of safety equipment.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Also, that isn't what I've been reading in the reviews of the 2006 Kia Rio5 that I've read.
In contrast, they have described the shifter as being solid and sure, without a lot of poking around. I have read tons of reviews on the Rio5 and only one or two have said what you have said.
Once again, I think these things are up to the driver and how they feel about it. I wouldn't take what another driver says as being gospel about a shifter, anyway. A manufacturer's shifter's feel can vary from rig to rig, even within the same model, too. The Long-Haul would cover things like that and I would be owed a decent shifter if it didn't work right. I think that what you're talking about is shifter "feel" which is subjective according to driver. So, that argument sinks like the Titanic.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Edit
Just found the article. Its on Inside Line news posted on 12-9-05. They rank fifth overall.
No I car about posting credible statements, I just don't mind if I post statements that you don't agree with.
My bother-in-law sells Toyotas
That says everything. I have worked enough in sales not to trust anything a salesperson says about their competition, especially if it is negative. If you want I can put you in touch with some Hyundai salespeople who will tell you about all the repeat Hyundai owners they have.
Also, I'm not talking about perception, I'm talking about facts. FACT: Honda and Toyota has produced the most reliable vehicles over the last 20 years, not the Koreans.
Last time I looked it wasn't 1985, who cares about how well someone didn't or didn't do 20 years ago. Check the latest reports, CR has the 2006 Sonata near the top of the list now thats a fact you can put in your pipe and smoke.
Keep making your ridiculous claims if you so desire.
I will make my claims but just remember just because they do not fit your narrow views of the world doesn't mean that they are ridiculous.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
Now, Hyundai is copying the Japanese! The Sonata looks like a rip-off of the Honda Accord and the Azera looks like an even uglier rip-off of the Toyota Camry. Why buy a cheap imitation when you can get the original? My brother was going to buy a 2006 Sonata until he saw what it looked like. He, instead, got the older-style 2005 model.
That's what I'm talking about. A shifter that is no good to one driver is just fine to another.
The 2006 Kia Rio5 is built so well in so many ways that I find it really hard to believe that Kia put a sloppy shifter in it. I'll have to test drive and find out for myself. Ahh...hah...there we go again. It always comes full circle to test driving ourselves and around we go, imports to domestics to F150's to wagons to small import sedans, not all that much has really changed in the automotive world in the last 50-odd years really.
Except the oldest automaker from South Korea that just seems to make them my way.
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
it's funny how few (any?) people have said they'd never be seen in a Smart car.
I'd love to drive on of the ones that have been "souped up"
Case in point - I would hate to be seen in a Scion Xb (styling tries to be way too trendy for me), but I am sure it is a very reliable vehicle with its Toyota lineage.
http://www.autobytel.com/content/shared/articles/templates/index.cfm/article_id_- - int/754
That says a lot to me when they mention that "those who enjoy driving will want the 5-speed manual that features a light effort clutch pedal and slick shifting..."
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Yeah, isn't there a "Love or Hate Korean Vehicles?" discussion this can all be moved to?
I'm more interested in who would want to be seen stepping out of a burnt orange-colored Honda Element... :surprise:
Yes, you want to know why? Because I am not going to be buying a 1985 Toyota or a 1993 Honda. My next car would most likely be a 2007 or 2008 whatever. Many companies made great cars in the past and their quality has slipped, I am more concerned with whats going forward.
You said you wanted facts so I gave them to you and you trash those facts. I gave you credible facts and you dissed them. You are not interested in facts, you seem not to want to have a reasonable discussion on this. You just seem to want to bash non japanese (or maybe just Korean) cars and myself as well. You know the personal jabs are very unbecoming and tell more of yourself than of me.
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
There were things I disliked about the Element, but none of them were in the exterior styling.
iluv: well, it is true that the Rio5's clutch is very light. No problem with stop and go, if that is in your weekly schedule.
2014 Mini Cooper (stick shift of course), 2016 Camry hybrid, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (keeping the stick alive)
Still, like any other data, you have to take it with a grain of salt. And as they say in the mutual fund business, "past performance is no guarantee of future returns." :shades:
What is the Isuzu warranty?
Mitsubishi's is as well - 5/60 B2B, 100K Powertrain.
I would never drive a chrysler 300, any jag, any bmw, or basically any pickup truck.
Impala, Aztec, Aveo, Cobalt, Tahoe, any Izuzu, any Subaru..any Buick...PT Cruiser, HHR, ..Ford 500, Mustang (V-6), (I like the GT's)...any minivan...(although the Oddysey is nice!)..that's it for now...
I don't know what the laws regulating antiques tags are in mighty miss, but in most of the states that I have lived, they have very strict mileage limits. I think in WA it is about 2 miles per year. Just kidding. However, I believe that you are only supposed to drive to and from car shows and I believe that you cannot tow with an antique vehicle. In MO you are supposed to keep a log book with the car to show where you have been. You probably have similar laws in MS which the police probably choose not to enforce.
What do you like?
2011 Hyundai Sonata, 2014 BMW 428i convertible, 2015 Honda CTX700D
A vehicle registered as an historic vehicle cannot be used for general daily transportation, or primarily for the transportation of passengers or property on highways. It can only be used in exhibitions, club activities, parades, tours, occasional transportation and similar uses.
So basically, you can drive your antique car on occasion, but not all the time. I think the only way you might get caught would be if you happened to drive your antique to work every day, and the same cop happened to see you on a regular basis and finally got suspicious. Or if you get into an accident or do something else to get a ticket, then the issue might come up.
Antique insurance is also very cheap. With the company I have though, they have a stipulation that you have to have a car with regular insurance that is your daily driver. I'm sure other companies have something similar.
I don't think the state of Maryland has a mileage limit. If they do, it's never come up with me. I've never had to sign or document anything. I think some antique insurers might want proof, though. However, mine doesn't.
Another stipulation my company has is that the car has to be worth, in their opinion, at least $3500. This helps to keep people from insuring beat-up clunkers to use as second cars and such. Still, they're pretty lenient on what they consider to be a $3500 car. For instance, I only paid $3K for my '76 LeMans, but I'm sure I'd have no trouble adding it to my antique policy. Only reason I haven't yet is because my garage isn't finished, so I can't park it in there yet. Now one that might be a bit more iffy is my '79 NYer. I only paid $900 for it, and they tend to not be worth much (not like a '76 LeMans is a goldmine), but it still looks good enough in pictures that they might let me add it to my policy.
never drive a truck based suv, or as i said in a previous post, anything over 20K.
If it cost 50% or more than our home, I ain;t buying it(not with the miles we put on a car...35 to 45,000 per year).
They become "throw-aways" by end of year 6, 250,000+ miles, to most people(for "resale" value) anyways.
the 06? well, let me say No, unless they rework the front end, and a few other details.
Hyundai may have lost our business with these"me, too" designs they are coming up with.
They show decent concepts, then water them down, or do not make them at all any more. the Tiburon was a concept car...and it still is ok.
Kia Amanti won some JD Powers APEAL award, for 05,correct?
Saw some for 22,000, loaded like the 28K version(was the 28K version, on sale).
What is odd is at a hyudnai/Kia forum, those guys really dislike the Amanti, but others seem to like it(outside of the fan site)?
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Of course, this was the first new car they had bought in 30 years (they tended towards used Toyotas for the most part), so their perspective might be slightly off. But, hey, they're happy with it!
As for me, when I went to buy a midsized V6 sedan a few years ago, I ended up buying a Saturn L300, mainly because it was several thousand less than a comparable Accord or Camry. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and I find the looks of my car to be not too bad. My wife calls in the "anonacar", since it blends in with all the other sedans in a large parking lot (and the pewter color often hides it completely).
I'm sure that there are lots of folks who are now thinking "ewww, a Saturn? I wouldn't drive a Saturn". In 3 years and 40-something thousand miles later, I've had almost no problems with my car. Plus, the dent resistant side panels means that it still looks like new, even though it spends all of its time outdoors, even during our Colorado winters.
(One of the times I drove it, two bicyclists in tandem came out of the trees at a t-section and I drove right between them... things like that made driving in Berkeley much more exciting than the cars we had.)
If I had never tried out a current Ion, I'd have kept a favorable impression of Saturn.
Any car in that god-awful YELLOW that screams "look at me!"
Dream car: Porsche Carrera S, coupe, 6-speed, gray metallic. YES!
But now that they don't have those plastic doors I'm not so sure...
What happened to Daewoo and Daihatsu? POS?
2021 Kia Soul LX 6-speed stick
Daihatsu makes kei-cars for the Japanese market as a Toyota subsidiary.
I'd rather not be seen drive a kei-car here, even in an urban environment. They're to cars as mopeds are to motorcycles.