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  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,071
    ...but I absolutely LOVE those 1958 Buicks and Oldsmobiles! I'd take a 1958 Buick Limited over ANY new car! I'm with you on the Aztek.

    The day I see Buicks made in China is the day I head straight for the Lexus or Mercedes dealer. I doubt very much that people will be proud to own a Geely. They only bought the vehicle because they couldn't afford anything better. I'd rather own a really nice 15 year-old car than a new Geely.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    The day I see Buicks made in China is the day I head straight for the Lexus or Mercedes dealer. I doubt very much that people will be proud to own a Geely. They only bought the vehicle because they couldn't afford anything better.

    I guess that is today. Looks like you’ll be driving a Lexus or Mercedes soon. Doesn’t GM already make Buicks in China for the Chinese market?

    I know people at the office and in my neighborhood who always have to have the in-thing. People like Rich, Sue, George, Randy, Megan, etc. In a few years, I can just hear Rich, for example, coming in some day and exuberantly stating, “Hey, I bought a Geely over the weekend. You got to come out to the parking lot and see it at lunch-time.”

    On 58 Olds, Buicks – Design or style that is good or excellent survives the test of time and many times is copied or emulated. Think of Ipod, 40 years of same basic shape of Porsche 911, almost any Ferrari, etc. That did not happen with 58 Olds, Buick. In fact, didn’t GM realize it’s design snafus in late 50’s by extensively cleaning things up in early 60’s? IMO, 58 Olds, Buick should be on top ten list of “worst” designed cars in last 50 years.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,590
    with the '58 Olds and Buick is that they were heavy-handed facelifts that were rushed to the market, and reactionary to the sleek designs Chrysler had come out with. The '57 Olds and Buick were actually quite attractive. Their only problem was that compared to the sleek, futuristic-looking Chrysler products of that same year, they looked downright outdated, and not so vastly different from the '56 models.

    As heavy-handed as it is, I actually think the '58 Buick kinda works, style-wise, although it's nowhere near as beautiful as a '58 DeSoto or Chrysler. I think the '58 Olds is a disaster, though. I actually think that the '58 Olds is about the worst looking car of that year. Oddly though, considering the economy of the time, it was a very good seller. There was a horrible recession in 1958 that hit the middle-priced makes the hardest. But out of all the brands in that category, Buick, Olds, Pontiac, Chrysler, DeSoto, Dodge, Mercury, and Edsel, as a percentage, Olds saw the smallest decline in sales from the previous year. Now, there was no Edsel in '57, but to compare it to the others, I use their original sales forecast of 100,000 units. IIRC, they ended up selling about 63,000.

    GM's best efforts in 1958, IMO, are the Chevy, Cadillac, and Pontiac.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Death Van for China: Mobile Execution Chamber Makes for a Morbid Conversion Van
    Date posted: 06-17-2006

    CHONGQING, China — The Chinese government is using commercial vans made by armored-vehicle specialist Jinguan Group to carry out executions, USA Today reports.

    The executions are carried out by lethal injection while up to six spectators watch in a glassed-in observation area.

    There are some 40 Jinguan execution vehicles on the roads, according to the news story. They are priced from the mid-$30,000s to $75,000 and can travel to areas where executions by lethal injection using a Beijing-mixed cocktail of drugs might not otherwise be possible.

    The vans measure 20-26 feet long and can reach a top speed of 80 mph, according to news reports. USA Today quoted the designer of the vehicle as saying he is "most proud" of the "humane" power-driven bed that slides out of the vehicle to collect the condemned prisoner, then back in, where it sits inside the van in the style of an ambulance stretcher.

    Human-rights groups have voiced suspicion that the Chinese government is relying more on lethal injection, rather than the previous practice of death by firing squad, in meting out the death penalty because it is harvesting organs for sale. Earlier this year, the government responded by banning the sale of human organs, but critics cited in the USA Today story said this is not expected to have a big effect.

    What this means to you: Imagine the chill when one of these "death vans" rolls into town.

    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=115788

    Lemko, if we keep down this same path I fear some americans might get "a ride" in that thing for J-Walking :surprise:

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Agree pal....I'll drive a Acura, Volvo, Mercedes Benz, BMW, Lexus before you'll see me drive a Chinese made vehicle. ;)

    I fear that day might be sooner than we think. :cry:

    Rocky
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,071
    And some oblivious American will be gleefully riding around and picking up her children in her new Jinguan Executive minivan unaware that the Chinese use that model to execute dissidents.

    I just saw something about a shirt factory in China. The clueless announcer is, "Wow, could you imagine a place like this could be so huge and employ 6,000 people!" Yes I can! Philadelphia was once full of such places as late as the 1970s - Botany 500, Stetson Hat, After Six, etc. I wonder what happened to all those people who once worked in those big clothing factories and their families? Many are now living in abject poverty and their decendents have either gone into the underground pharmaceutical industry, the department of corrections, or the retail and fast food trades. Are these the other industries which sought out ex-autoworkers but couldn't obtain because of the UAW?
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    GM's best efforts in 1958, IMO, are the Chevy, Cadillac, and Pontiac.

    Maybe Chevy was best of the lot in 1958 with its 2-door Impala hardtop. It is interesting that movie American Grafitti (1973)picked this model year rather than the 1957 Chevy classic. Richie Cunningham, lead guy (good), was the movie owner of the car. Perhaps they picked 1958 model because it looked better in white than did the 1957. The good guy had to have a white car while the tough/bad guy, Harrison Ford, had a black Chevy (55?).

    GM had the money and skills to change bodies year after year. Too bad they can't do same with some of their current offerings such as Malibu, Monte, Lacrosse.

    57, 58 and 59 Chevy models looked very different. For worst cars discussion, might add the 59 Chevy, with its rear weird wings to top 50 worst designed cars of past 50 years.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    Agree pal....I'll drive a Acura, Volvo, Mercedes Benz, BMW, Lexus before you'll see me drive a Chinese made vehicle.

    Aren't many Americans professed to buying American brands already driving "partial" Chinese cars? Do some GM cars such as Torrent or Equinox use Chinese made engines?

    Wonder if Americans should demand what amount of content (wight, value, quantity) parts of American brand vehicles is from China. Should this be posted on window sticker.
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    I just saw something about a shirt factory in China. The clueless announcer is, "Wow, could you imagine a place like this could be so huge and employ 6,000 people!" Yes I can! Philadelphia was once full of such places as late as the 1970s - Botany 500, Stetson Hat, After Six, etc.

    Botany 500 made suits and Stetson of course made hats. Is this not close to buggy whip analogy of early 1900's. How many guys wear a suit or hat today? A guy only needs one suit today - to go to funerals, and his own funeral.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,071
    uh...I still wear a suit and occassionally a hat. Too bad people are such slobs these days.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,590
    57, 58 and 59 Chevy models looked very different. For worst cars discussion, might add the 59 Chevy, with its rear weird wings to top 50 worst designed cars of past 50 years.

    That was a really unique time for Chevy and Pontiac in particular, because in '57, 58, and 59, they WERE totally different cars! It used to be that GM would usually redesign the Buick/Olds/Cadillac cars a year earlier than the Chevy/Pontiac models, and 3-year design cycles were pretty common.

    The '57 Buick/Olds/Cadillac models were on time, as the previous style ran from '54-56, but Chrysler rushed out its dramatic 1957 models a year early, having only used their previous body style for '55-56. As a result, I think a decision was made for GM to rush out the next body style, which meant that the '57 Buick/Olds/Cadillac body would only last through '58. A decision was also made to get Chevy and Pontiac on the same cycle as the other cars and for them to be more substantially similar underneath as a cost savings measure, so that meant that Chevy/Pontiac would only see their new '58 body for that one year, after having had the same body for '55-57.

    Back in the '57-59 timeframe I think Ford actually got some pretty good mileage out of their platform. The '57-59 was the same body, but it was heavily revised for '58, and for '59 was given a Thunderbird-like squaring off, which made it look almost like a completely different car.

    The '59 Chevy was a pretty awful looking car IMO, but I think it also proves that sometimes, the devil is in the details. It cleaned up quite nicely for '60-61, and the '62-64 Chevy is actually pretty much the same thing underneath.

    But yeah, for '58 I'd say the Impala was probably GM's best looking car. The cheaper models weren't bad either, although the Bel Air hardtop's roofline wasn't as attractive IMO as the Impala's. I do like the Cadillacs too, although I think the '57's were better. And the only thing I don't really like about the '58 Pontiacs are the headlights, which kind of jut out too far, giving it a bit of a bug-eyed look.

    Another thing that I thought was kinda odd, considering that GM was trying to make the cars more similar underneath, is that in '59-64, Chevies and Buicks used a wasp-waisted "X-frame", and had the gas tank mounted somewhat vertically, between the rear axle and a deep-well trunk floor, similar to the Crown Vics of today. Pontiacs and Oldsmobiles used a perimeter frame and in back had a somewhat shallower trunk floor, with a more conventional gas tank mounted horizontally under the trunk floor. I just thought that was strange since usually, Pontiacs and Chevies were more similar, as were Oldsmobiles and Buicks.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,590
    Is this not close to buggy whip analogy of early 1900's.

    I'm sure there's still a demand for buggy whips in the leather community, and I hear that it's one of the tools of the trade for many dominatrices. :P
  • british_roverbritish_rover Posts: 8,476
    Oh man I was going to make that joke. Grrrr.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,590
    I remember years ago, we had a company newsletter that would have cartoons and comics in it from time to time. Well, one of them was a scene of a break room, with vending machines. One of the machines said "Whipped Coffee" on it, and had a guy in leather with a whip and a big smile on his face standing beside it, at the ready. There was a poor sap standing there, coffee in hand, with a shocked look on his face.

    I remember we thought it was the funniest thing and laughed our you-know-whats off, but in the next issue of that newsletter, man I've never seen so many people write in and whine about being offended and shocked!

    I wish I still had that newsletter, but unfortunatley that was three companies ago. :(
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    uh...I still wear a suit and occassionally a hat. Too bad people are such slobs these days.

    Last wedding we went to, invitation specifically stated that dress was casual and men did not have to wear suit/sport coats and ties. As I recall, only people dressed up were bridal party and their parents. So, as it is going, will probably not be needing suits too much for weddings in future.

    I would agree that business dress in office has deteriorated badly. Men went from dress slacks, dress shirt and ties in early 90's to casual Fridays then to casual everyday then to everyday slobs. See guys coming in in summer in shorts, t-shirts, sandals no socks, and a "baseball cap". Some wear baseball caps at their desks. And, the cap lid has to be curled into a half-circle. These folks are internal and do not see customers.

    I should add that a couple of the sloppy dressers also have poor taste (IMO) in vehicle choice and might be driving things that this board considers to be on a "worst" car list.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,590
    in the "corporate world" back in 1992, I usually dressed pretty nicely. I also had a part time job at a department store, so I could get my clothes at a discount. It wasn't too long before they told me to stop dressing so nicely, because I was making some of the upper-level managers look like bums on the street! I think I wore a tie three times last year. To a wedding, to a funeral, and for when they wanted to take a picture of me at work to put in some high-level publication.

    And oh, you should see what some of these young interns wear nowadays! I'd say it's borderline harrassment! But in a good way. :P
  • au1994au1994 Posts: 732
    since we're already off on the dress code rant, I'll continue it. When I entered the full time workforce in the mid 90's, slacks and a tie was the rule M-Th. Friday was jeans day. Now it seems that slacks and a golf shirt will suffice for men. In one company a the engineering group, that did not meet with customers, had deteriorated to sweat pants and t shirts. That got stopped. From what I have noticed in my travels the Northeast still tends to be a little more dressy. West Coast is very casual. I'm sure there are exeptions all around.

    I will say, based solely on my experience, that womem's office dress has gotten a lot more casual. I can see more belly buttons at the office now that at the beach.

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  • PFFlyer@EdmundsPFFlyer@Edmunds Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,808
    If we want to go off into worst dressed cars.. maybe ;)

    PFFlyer@Edmunds

    Moderator - Hatchbacks & Hybrid Vehicles

  • goodegggoodegg Posts: 905
    Ok - I saw 1976 Cadillac Seville with huge rims and LoPros the other day. The rims/tires gotta be worth more than the car. Since when does slapping $1600+ worth of wheels and tires elevate a POS to something above a POS with expensive feet?
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    They do have the percentage of Chinese content on the window sticker. ;)

    Rocky
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