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Honda Civic vs Mazda3

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  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Hey everyone...the Mazda3 will be undergoing a few changes for mid 2008! I don't have all the details yet, but, I will let you know when I get them!
  • Are These the changes you're talking about?
  • patpat Posts: 10,421
    Welcome - thanks for the repost! :)
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    Yep...I didn't get around to posting it. You must be a dealer, for that is the same sheet I have.
  • cz75cz75 Posts: 210
    Brings truth to the statement that "GM cars run badly longer than most cars run at all." ;-)
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    I suppose, that said, I haven't had a GM car since the early 1970s so I'm probably a bad judge of what they will or won't do. In the case of our two current American cars, they're Dodge Grand Caravans, both are utterly reliable and both have six figures showing on the odometer.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • Nope. Not a dealer. If I was, I probably wouldn't want this information getting out and potentially endangering my end of the year sales since some folks (like me) who may have been looking to pick up a good deal on an i touring might be willing to wait 'till January for a better equipped 2.0l version (also like me).

    I found this posted on some other board with no explanation of where it came from.
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    The Sandman :)
  • See the link in my original post. I know no more than what is shown in the picture.

    Mark
  • it's our first car ever
    we test drove the civic ex first, in hoping to buying a civic ex-l
    but all of our friends recommended the 3 over the civic
    so we went to a dealership and tried it out, it was great
    better handling than the civic, seats felt more comfortable,and better looking. so we went with it
    i'm now very very happy :shades: :shades:
  • The 3 sure does changes a lot of minds. I for one had a similar situation in that I was considering the Civic Si, the Matrix and believe it or not, the Nissan Versa. The 3 5dr hands down was the winner for me. :) :shades:
  • I got the Phantom Purple I'm not quite sure why they call it that. The color is deep autumn purple in the shade and it is a black cherry/cherry coke color in the sun. I love, love, love the color. I have gottten so many compliments. This is the first car that I have driven that turns heads; Owners of old BMW's, Taxi cab drivers, fast food drive throughs staff. etc. I have found strangers walking around the car checking it out. I have come to the conclusion that this car is SEXY.

    It gets good pick-up on the hwy. I have taken a couple of short road trips. It is too fun to drive!!! I try and think of some long distance errand so that I have to go drive far. The special features are so nice. Like the big glove box, the cool stereo. The the sun roof, 6 cd player side air bags. criuse control radio controls on the stereo.The basics are amazing too, the heat really really works as does the air conditioner. The features that are found on this car are found more often on a more expensive sedan. I can fit four people and a dog comfortably. I will say that the material seats snag easliy like a sweather or a towl that is minor compared to how well everything else is made the carpet is well made the dash materials are hot and under the hood and the trunk are amazing. Alot of attention to detail!!!! Very Nice
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    It's going to be a lot longer then January until the updates are on dealer lots. Dealers will be ordering them in January. Expect to see them in April or so.
  • I find it strange that a 2.4 Mazda 3 would be tested against a Honda 1.8 and anyone would be surprised that the Mazda was faster. Never was the idea of economy mentioned so I intend to do so now. I bought my 07 Civic EX with the intention of taking advantage of the economy, headroom (I'm 6'5"), resale value, reliability and overall "fun".
    I get 41 mpg with careful freeway driving.
    I have a couple inches of excess headroom even with the moonroof.
    Civic resale is excellant.
    Civics will run until they turn to dirt at about half a million miles or more.
    I think the Civic is a blast to drive on my commute and the 1000 mile trips I occasionally take are comfortable.

    I'm sure the Mazda 3 is a winner but it can't come close to the Civic in economy and cost of ownership. That's why I bought mine and was pleasantly surprised at the overall performance out of that 1.8 and the exceptional 5 spd auto. Your test was bogus.

    As for American autos giving up after 100K, that simply isn't my experience either. My '95 Jeep Cherokee Sport 4.0 Search and Rescue rig has 230K and has spent a lot of miles in 4X4 on sick terrain. I rebuilt the brakes and the 5 spd manual, put on 3 sets of special shocks and steering damper - that's it. The engine doesn't use but 1/2 quart of oil in 3000 miles and the heater/AC blower will soon need replacement. It cost me $12000. in '97 with 30K on it as a wreck repair. You simply can't say American cars don't last.

    Bill
  • I'm sure the Mazda 3 is a winner but it can't come close to the Civic in economy and cost of ownership. That's why I bought mine and was pleasantly surprised at the overall performance out of that 1.8 and the exceptional 5 spd auto. Your test was bogus. "

    Bogus? They're the 2 distinct leaders of the class, simlar in size, amenities, in the exact price range.

    You trade off a little power/handling for econony, and vice versa. Both are great choices.

    FYI - I get 27 MPG in my 2.3 in a lot of traffic each day and not "being careful" about mileage. I'm very happy with that
  • Wow, Mr Blonde, you said it perfectly. When purchasing, I thought each car would be a fine choice, but the Mazda drove like a sports car and the Honda felt kind of flat and mushy to me. Simple as that. I traded a small amount of economy for the driving fun (which I appreciate everytime I go to merge onto the Lond Island Expressway) and the hatch/wagon of the 3s solved some of my issues of downsizing from an SUV.

    I am pleasantly surprised to be getting about 26mpg in heavy highway/city (I commute to Manhattan) mixed driving.

    Both great cars, but I got a better deal on the mazda, it had Sirius as opposed to XM, had a wagon version and drives better (to me). I've put on 34k miles in 1 1/2 years with just oil changes so knock wood, reliability seems to be a positive too.

    In all honesty, with gas at $3.25/gal, I'm wishing I got a Prius but all in all I'm happy with my Mazda3s and I'm rarely happy about anything! LOL
  • Both great cars, but I got a better deal on the mazda, it had Sirius as opposed to XM, had a wagon version and drives better (to me). I've put on 34k miles in 1 1/2 years with just oil changes so knock wood, reliability seems to be a positive too. "

    I just hit 40 K last week (got it in Oct 05). Besides being hit twice, which isn't the car's fault (once from behind stopped in traffic, one parked in a lot), the only thing besides oil/rotation I have had to do was get the rear rotors done a few months ago (front pads haven't even needed to be done yet - the weird rear brake wearing bias in this car). Even the supposedly quick wearing goodyears lasted 35K miles.

    What a refreshing change coming from an 03 Saab 9-3 - who's nightmarish maintenance history forced me to seel before I was out of warranty

    Sirius over XM is a huge deal for me, too. Hopefull the merger goes thru and in 2 years none of that will matter
  • aviboy97aviboy97 Posts: 3,159
    I'm sure the Mazda 3 is a winner but it can't come close to the Civic in economy and cost of ownership

    I think you hit a nerve with Mazda fans and owners here. To say that Mazda3 can't come close to Civic in economy and cost of ownership is a bit inacurate. Will the Civic get better fuel economy. Yes, but not by much. According to CR (February 2008), Honda Civic gets 31 mpg overall, and the Mazda3 i gets 30 mpg overall. If you opt for the bigger 2.3 Mazda, you get added performance.

    Repair records show the Mazda3 has been very reliable. Do you have any data that shows the the Mazda3 "can't come close" to the Civic in terms of "true cost of ownership"?

    I have a Mazda6, with the 2.3L motor, and I have 40K with no visits to the shop except for routine maintenance

    bought my 07 Civic EX with the intention of taking advantage of the economy, headroom (I'm 6'5"), resale value, reliability and overall "fun".

    It seems as if you made the right choice for you. Can't blame you for that. However, if you are to keep your Civic past 100K ,150Kmiles, how much is it really worth? Not much. Would it be worth thousands more then the Mazda3? Highly doubt it. If you try to sell it with that type of mileage, you usually get the scum of the earth looking to buy it, since thats all they can afford.
  • dgecho1dgecho1 Posts: 49
    Last tank was 43.8 mpg in 08 civic lx at nearly perfect epa conditions near orlando fl......55 mph and now get to work in almost record time with less stress..so, I don't think I will change anytime soon...08 is a bit better than the 03 civvic lx I had which was a very very good car.....btw, doubt the mileage?? I had a prius 02 in which I consistently got 55 mpg plus at or close to speed limit...so it can be done.....

    Mazda not as quiet or good economy..BUT....excellent quality..japanese made.....
    can not fault the choice!!

    haiti, indonesia, brazil,afghanistan....personal experience and in the news.....nissan ,toyota and jeep 4wd are about all you see in the roughest conditions in the world..or in TRUE wilderness and not suburbia.....
  • azr4elazr4el Posts: 2
    Granted both of these cars are not up to par with the reliabilities of the Civic or Corolla but I feel like getting a car that will stand out (although i might regret it in the long run when my wallet gets hit hard with gas prices). I think I can get either car for about the same price with similar options. Any thoughts ?
  • bamacarbamacar Posts: 749
    Not sure about the Mitsubishi as they haven't had excellent reliability in a while, but Consumer Reports puts the Mazda 3 in the best reliability category which should be very comparable to a Civic or Corolla. CR doesn't have enough data to rate the reliability of the Lancer yet.

    People seem to just blindly assume other manufacturers can't have a car equal in reliability to a Honda or Toyota.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    CR doesn't have enough data to rate the Corolla for reliability, either. In their July issue they declined to put "Recommended" on the Corolla, since it's a new design. I think CR learned something from their experience with the 2007 Camry V6.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    The Corolla is a new design?

    :P
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    For 2009, yes. New exterior, interior, suspension, and 1.8L engine--all different from the 2003-8 Corolla.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Give me some credit, backy, I know that. I may have been a little tongue-in-cheek with that one. ;)

    I must admit, I knew the 1.8L had a small power bump, but didn't know it was really "different." It sure sounded similar to the old Corolla when riding in a Scion xD.
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    Toyota claims the 1.8L is "all new." You can take it up with them if you don't agree.

    Anyway, back to the topic.... was just in my local Mazda dealer for some service on my MPV. Sat in the 2008 Mazda3i Touring VE. Very sharp car, about $18,150 with AT. A sales rep asked me how I liked it. I told him I'd like it a lot better if it had ESC. (I could have also told him the rear seat is a big tight, but I decided not to get into a lengthy discussion with him.) He said the Mazda3s has ESC. I replied that I liked the 3i for its FE and price, and didn't need the additional power of the 3s. He said, "It's all about choices, isn't it?" Yes, it is. So while I like a lot of things about the Civic and Mazda3, with the Civic having a slight advantage overall because of its exceptional crash test scores for the class, neither is my top choice in this class.
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    The Mazda 3s has this nailed, a real blast to drive. Plenty of power when needed while displaying buttoned down road manners in the twisties. I look forward to driving the wife's 3s after getting out of my Civic for the true exhilaration the 3s provides. Love the Civic for my everyday economical driving but when I feel the need for speed, it's the 3s hands down. Planning a trip to Orlando in August to secure housing for my middle girl who will be an intern at Epcot for six months starting in January, and have already told the wife I want to take her Mazda on the drive up. The impeccable road handling coupled with the power of the 2.3 engine make this a car that begs to be driven on the turnpike...fast! Having four wheel disc brakes makes for competent stopping power in all situations.
    Glad we have both cars for my driving Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde persona. Haven't really enjoyed driving since my truck accident 3 years ago but am finally getting back my love of driving. It'll be nice to have the three and a half hour drive up to Orlando on the wide open turnpike and the Mazda 3s is just the car to do it in. We tossed around the idea of renting a car but decided it best to just drive the 3 instead. Can spend an extra day there for the same $ we'd have spent on the week rental.
    Zoom Zoom!

    The Sandman :)
  • backybacky Twin CitiesPosts: 18,784
    With gas at $4 per, I'm finding I feel the need for speed a lot less than I used to. ;)

    Now I would think that a car like the Mazda3 would be at its best in places with hills and twisties, not on the flat turnpikes of Florida. For that, I'd want something with a quiet, smooth ride more than anything. But that's me.
  • sandman46sandman46 Posts: 1,798
    Since putting on the Traction T/A's last year, she drives quite smoothly and quietly. Driving with 3 adults and the luggage for the 5 of us, I really want the extra power of the 2.3 engine if needed. The wife and one daughter will be taking the train up a day earlier, as we can't fit all 5 and the needed luggage in either of our cars. Thus, the only drawback for having the econoboxes we both drive. We only need a larger car a few times a year, this being one of those times. but since we haven't taken a full family vacation since 2000, we'll make due.
    Once your kids get in their 20's, they tend to shun family vacations. I've made this one mandatory as we all need to reconnect as a family since we went through a real rough patch after my accident. Besides, it'll be fun.
    Did price out renting a Camry size car for the week, and we just decided to take the Mazda instead. Besides, it hasn't been on a road trip in almost 18 months...time to blow that engine out a bit!

    The Sandman :)
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