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Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra vs Dodge Ram

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  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    First, give me evidence that Honda is now number four. Don't think so. But regardless, does the loss of market share indicate product quality? If so, how much market share has GM lost in 30 years? It may mean poor(er) management or limited product, but it does not necessarily mean anything else.

    Why is sales position seem so important to Chevy truck lovers?

    "I guess all vehicles will rus if one never washes them. Maybe the story's of the Chevy's rusting is one where the owner never washed it ? Obviously the Dodges are getting a few more baths but that won't help when the body's panels are falling off."

    Ya know, that must explain it! All those rusty Chevies got poor treatment. Yes, that's it! Those darn ole Dodge, Ford, and Toyota owners must be out there at midnight every night washing all that salt and grud off.

    Something tells me that this paltry theory won't work the other way 'round to explain any faults with a Dodge, Ford, Toyota, Nissan or any other truck, for that matter.
  • I have seen enough rusty TOY cars ... give it up..

    Reclaimed spam cans rust too.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Finally someone comes to but this arguement to bed. ;)

    Rocky
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    Not much of an argument. To think GM's rust quicker than the other's is just plain ignorant. GM treats there sheetmetal (dipping, galvanized box panels, etc) and the other's don't.
    Toyota's are the WORST when it comes to rust, ok, maybe Honda's are a little worse, but not much. Dodge's aren't anything to brag about either. Here in Minnesota, I see ALOT more rusty Dodge's than either Ford or GM. Dodge's top priority is making "Pretty" vehicles, not quality ones.
    ie: I looked at a co-workers new Dodge a few years back and I noticed that the wheel well above the front tire was nicely coated with a black coating. Looked very nice!! Then I stuck my head in there (because the wheel wells are cavernous) and noticed they ONLY sprayed the area that is visible above the tire. The entire area behind the tire was completely BARE!!! It's like they did it with the tires on. Why? to save a little material? What a JOKE!!!
  • the first time I had it to the beach of NC was Nov 91.. lots of salt on the beach... it snowed bunches in 93 (24" of snow and tons of salt) and again in 95 ...Its been to the beach 3 more times... Buxton, NC>.. out NO rust.. as of when I saw it last a month ago.... me and the 06 Duramax are fishing in FL without salt on the roads.. No rust on the 06 either.

    Boy that big girl pulls the 11500 lb camper nice.. Try hooking up a Nissan or Toy truck to it and lets have some fun..

    It was funny but a month ago I was driving without the camper ... just cruising along at 65mph on I 40 and here comes a Toy truck pulling a silver Airstream.. it came up behind me and passed and all of a sudden I started passing it on the right ... the LITTE BITTY hill had stopped it... the wife wanted to know why I was passing on the right but all I was doing was cruising with the cruise on... 65mph and steady... but not the toy truck... WAKE up America... toys are for kids!!
  • OK, I'll check the manual. Thank you!!!!
  • and yet they still will build the best truck...go figure...
  • dustykdustyk Posts: 2,926
    Ah, yes. Someone is ignorant because they stated something you don't like to hear. Well your arrogant assertion aside, it's a fact. I'm not the only one who has made the observation that GM trucks pop holes sooner than others. My last Chevy had pin holes at 5 1/2 years.

    "GM treats there sheetmetal (dipping, galvanized box panels, etc) and the other's don't."

    While you're practicing your typical Chevy moral superiority and condescending attitude you will find that you are categorically and totally incorrect that other truck manufacturers don't treat their steel. They do. Dodge uses differentially coated sheet metal on all surfaces. Rocker panels, box inner panels and floor are galvanized (Chrysler was the first to do this in 1960, by the way) and body panels are phosphate treated, primer dipped and color coat dipped. Ford's process is similar except for color coat dipping.
  • coontie57coontie57 Posts: 128
    Wonder why my 1991 Chevy 1500 series has no rust. I BELIEVE there is salt on the beaches of WNC near the Atlantic Ocean.. I drove it 4 years to Buxton, NC and ONTO the beach each day for a week at a time. Our group of fishermen drive different vehicles each year and we have never had rusty problems... Most drive Chevs... More comfterable ride. We have been going now for 15 years each November... Maybe there is just no rust producing salt present in November.

    Did anyone ever figure out why Ziebart went out of business. They told me... Chevy's are DIPPED JUST LIKE THE GUY SAID.
  • morganvmorganv Posts: 49
    theres a big big difference between driving a truck onto a ocean beach each day and a truck spending 150-180 straight days and nights in a freezing wet salt and chemical environment where corosive water gets into every nooks and crannies of the body.

    bY the way, dusty didn't say that chevies weren't dipped, he just said that other trucks are too.

    morgan
  • coontie57coontie57 Posts: 128
    Understand!! There are sure a lot of rusty Toyotas running around WNC we use lots of snow some years..
  • jreaganjreagan Posts: 285
    Well, I live in Minnesota, where they use more salt and have the longest winters of anywhere in the country. My 1989 GMC didn't rust until it was 11 yrs old and my 2000 GMC still looks brand new, not a door ding, let alone any rust. And I can tell you for a FACT that Dodge's rust much faster here in Minnesota.
    So, you are the arrogant one, not me.
  • chrmdomechrmdome Posts: 107
    Sir:
    I have lived in San Diego for 35 years and have owned a Chevy of one sort or another for all of that time. I have a 15 year old Astro Van with not a single bit of rust on any body panel. The issue of salt exposure near the beach is a factor of the ocean spray/mist that works its way into every crany , the complete car inside and out. If you are one mile from the beach and leave your car out overnight, the car is covered with a salty film, yet with chevys... no rust!
    The main issue here is with the salt exposure the other important factor is temperature. The warmer it is , the faster rust will occur when salt is present. In an area where it is 32 degrees, the chemical reaction does not react as quickly as it does at 60 or 70 degrees, thus a higher incident of rust " at the beach ". The final analysis is : If you knock a mans truck, your knocking him... better knock his wife , he's less likely toget p.o.'ed. To each his own, I like Chevys the other guy may not... enjoy what you like.

    Chromedome
  • KCRamKCRam Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,516
    Just because you see something where you are does not mean it's gospel everywhere. As for salt and rust, different states use different salt treatments for roads. Brand X trucks may do great in the winter in one area of the country and lousy in another.

    It's anecdotal, folks... so let's put away the "arrogant" comments.

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  • scoopyexscoopyex Posts: 31
    Here in the north east sodium chloride is poured onto the roads before, during, and after winter storms. it eats galvanized body parts like it's going out of style.
    Regardless of who makes the truck pushing your big hood emblem around, salt is salt, and road deicers are road deicers, and will eventually eat them all. What matters most is in how you take care of your ride prior to and after a winter mess that's left on the roads. You can also count on how your body parts were stamped and what the humidity level was during the painting process of the metals that make up your big expensive grill emblem pushers. It all effects the life of your ride. Those are the facts.
  • well here we go again... I personally like the looks of the ram. But I couldnt afford a ram and I just needed a vehicle and gm was offering a nice discount so I went with a 07 silverado classic. Now my truck probably wouldnt even qualify as a truck if you want to talk about hp, towing ability etc but I dont use my truck for work. It rides good for being a truck, seems to handle pretty good, nice clean lines and easy to maneuver. I like the looks of the classic hood over the gmc sierra, kind of has that cowl look to it. But I have done about 2200 dollars in aftermarket accessories and have quite a few compliments from others that drive different brand of trucks.. Mine has only a 4.3 liter but it hauls or pulls everything i need to, which aint much.. I am sure there are better trucks out there but for my budget, what I do and everything considered i have the best truck for me. Plus i have a 5 year 100K drivetrain warranty.
  • coontie57coontie57 Posts: 128
    Hey I have a 90 Chebby 1500 4X4 with 168,000 on her.. Its a scottsdale and not a silverado but hey!! Mine is a stick but still love to drive her. She will be 17 years old in December. I will have to add that its the second engine and transmission. I pulled a 17.5ft bass boat all over SC, NC and GA until I ruined the engine at 100K. If I had not been pulling I probably wouldn't have even known the engine was losing power. Now I pull a 21 ft Nitro with the 06 Duramax..
  • You are so right. I used to work with steel and if it is not prepped, blued, anealled correctly it will not last long. I will say that I do not know the exact stages that steel goes thru for cars but i used to run annealing ovens and blueing ovens for tecumseh products to make hermetic motors. Quality control was watched constantly to assure the steel was correct before going to the line.
  • tex10tex10 Posts: 27
    i work on the pipe line down here in texas and only trucks we be are dodge and fords. our Trucks go throw hell and back. we have 89 cummins that must have least 4,000,000 miles on it. used to go fort davis to new york 2 two times week hualing catle with a 54 foot catle trailer. we drove those trucks off clifs into worst mude that you can thank of. you can beat the crude out of a 360 magnum. Lot of farmers down south texas drive nothing but dodge trucks. they are cheap, and hard to beat. ( MOPAR OR NO CAR!!! )
    :shades:
  • nam92nam92 Posts: 3
    I am in the market for a new 12 ton truck and finding it difficult to choose. I've narrowed it down to the Dodge 4X4 Extended Cab 4.7L and the GMC 4x4 Crew Cab 5.3L (gmc extended cab doesn't have enough room for family).

    I do 75% hwy and tow a trailer occasionally. Fuel mileage is of concern. My last 98 Ram w/5.9L got around 15 mpg and looking to improve on that even if it means going with the lower hp v8 engine. I'm looking for any quality/warranty problems and mileage feed back to help make a decision.

    Dodge is offering $5000 cash back until end of month. Hard to pass up, have to make a decision soon.
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