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Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?



  • day9day9 Posts: 57
    LOL, I don't think you will ever find any car that is really good and really cheap.
  • day9day9 Posts: 57
    That is really arrogant.
  • mirthmirth Posts: 1,212
    The statistics I stated were not for individual cars, or even individual companies. So, yes, I believe you when you say that the Accord is 70% American. It doesn't change the fact that, when taken as a whole, the Japanese companies "American content" is only 31%.

    I also didn't say to give American car companies a free pass. Just don't celebrate their troubles.
  • lemmerlemmer Posts: 2,676
    Philadelphia must be a whole different world than the South. Industry, including manufacturing, is thriving here. We have basically zero real unemployment. It seems like companies are desperate for employees, from ditch diggers all the way up to executives. The economy couldn't hardly be any better.

    Maybe you should move down here.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,158
    So America becomes a baron wasteland, an Apocolypse, yet people can afford Benzes, BMW's and Lexus Automobiles? What!

    Once again, flip the coin. Domestics all of a sudden put the import brands out of business. It's OK right? Those people at the factories and on the showroom floors and the service bays can rot in hell for supporting a no domestic brand right? :mad:

    "Gee daddy, life is wonderful, I am the luckiest kid in the whole world!"

    "Thank the local Chevy dealer for your wealth and happiness son..."

    Gimme a freakin break.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,158
    BTW, Buick is growing at a rapid rate in China. Does that mean we should get the hell out of China? We sure as heck don't belong there then.

    Might want to stop buying that Middle eastern Oil for that 12mpg Cadillac...
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,158
    Hey if I support DMC and FMC, am I going to contribute to the demise of the U.S.?

    Support GM or face the Apocolypse?
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,158
    - Might want to tell Ford to dump the PAG...
    - Dump Mazda...
    - Tell GM to dump Suzuki, Isuzu, Saab...
    - Eliminate all ties to NUMMI...
    - Might as well kick Chrysler out of the country while we are at it, since they are part of a Daimler colaboration...

    Watch the landscape become littered with modern interpretations of Citations and Pintos... Oh what a wonderful America we'd be living in!
  • Hey, you forgot GM-DAT, maybe they should leave S Korea, then?
    GM Owns/Controls what is left of Daewoo( GM-Daewoo Automotive Technologies, which I read now also include 15% stake by Suzuki and a few % by Chinese company GM makes stuff with in China on a joint effort?).
    Here's the info on GM-DAT

  • reddogsreddogs Posts: 353 can even make negative comments and not face a firing squad like in Cuba or reeducation like in China...Its a Wonderful Life were living in... :shades:
  • carlisimocarlisimo Posts: 1,280
    Curiously, the Chamber of Commerce forsees a shortage of labor in the coming years.

    That could make it more expensive to hire workers. Or, it could mean an influx of labor (for both manual jobs and engineering). It'd be a somewhat regulated influx, which would keep wages from collapsing. But it would be an interesting twist to "supporting the American worker."
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,067
    Life is bad for the majority of Americans, but a small minority have it good...

    Philadelphia, 4 January 2026, 2:45 PM:

    "Philadelphia is now an extremely ugly city. I just hate it. When I look outside my window, all I see are squat old buildings blackened by the soot of the old factories, all of which are now themselves rotting abandoned hulks. Pennsylvania cities are so ugly and Philadelphia is probably the absolute ugliest. From the 20-times-painted-over row houses to potholed streets to tacky, neon-wrapped storefronts and hookers, the Philadelphia of 2026 seems filthy down to the last bit. You can smell it. It smells of filth, it smells of disease, and it smells of death. You can feel it, know just what it is like. I realized why my girlfriend moved out of Philly in 2009 -- her apartment, which once had been in a "genteel" neighborhood, turned into a ghetto and the entire city became a giant cesspit. Trash and garbage is blowing all around the street. Broken beer bottles and overflowing garbage cans are abundant. Bums huddling in doorways beg for the price of a drink. Skinny, half-starved dogs bark at every passerby. Violence, pornography, and prostitution are everywhere. A couple of sleazeball cops are shaking down various scumbags.

    Enshrouded in a stagnant cloud of pollution, Philadelphia is now the ugliest place in this now ugliest of countries. It is now home to the thousands of displaced and disenfranchised former middle-class suburbanites who have flooded into the city in the past few years, living in their little corrugated metal shacks, trying to stay warm with their little fires. They huddle together in their torn coats, drinking the cheap liquor that will eventually destroy their kidneys and kill them.

    Yet depressing as it is, this future America holds a scary fascination for me. I stood for almost an hour watching those pathetic, ragged creatures. This country is now the ultimate degradation - the final graveyard of impossible dreams and unfulfilled expectations. How I hate it. It has become a cancer; a disease grown monstrously out of control; choking and killing off any hope of recovery and rejuvenation. What I found in this putrid-smelling place was disgusting. While there, I had to endure the hell of a filthy, dangerous existence. America is now the corrupt urban jungle at its grimmest. It robs the people of money, dignity and ultimately hope. They constantly experience random acts of violence, shooting massacres, brutal serial murders and rapes, wholesale robberies and looting.

    My stay in deindustrialized America led me to live fearfully. This was mainly due to the fact that I loathe violence. But, in 2026 America , I had to face it and deal with it daily. When I approached the police in my district, they offered no protection, so I was alone. At first this conflict led to injury to myself - the first time I walked out onto the street I was strangled almost to death! (But, I then learned how to take care of myself). I used to go back to my hotel room shaking inside. I never allowed anybody to face me, but I always stood sideways (to avoid direct attack). There were times when, seeing signs of impending violence, I had to steel myself, and calmly remove my tie (which could be used to choke me), my pens (which could be used to stab my eyes out) and watch (because I did not want it damaged, too!).

    I look from the window of my hotel room in the once grand Bellevue-Stratford Hotel. A homeless girl sleeps in a shop doorway across the street, in front of a boarded up store, covered in posters and graffiti. This whole downtown is full of boarded up stores, rotting posters of Wal-Mart ads layered on every surface, graffiti on every wall. It occurs to me that if the vacant buildings were opened for squatting the girl across the road, lying on the wet pavement could get a little warmth and rest. I am surprised how few of the buildings are being used as squats, since so many are empty, but I suppose the police make sure the property is not inhabited by the homeless. I have seen mothers and their children huddled in shop door ways, thin as the victims of Auschwitz, huddled together for comfort. I passed what I think may have been a squat a few days ago. Someone had kicked in the corner of a boarded up shop window, large enough for someone to crawl through. The stench of urine and feces coming from inside was wafting out into the street.

    All night long there is a continual stream of luxury cars speeding down the road, the drivers probably not wanting to slow down in this area of the city. Outside in the street I can hear shouting, smashing glass, and police sirens, even sporadic gunfire in the distance. All night long the screams and shouts, the fights on the pavement, the drunks and the drug addicts, the prostitutes and the homeless. My room is small, and the windows are large and dirty. I am on the eighth floor, and can see down into Broad Street below. Twice this week I have come back to the hotel to find two police cars parked outside the building, and the cops barring the metal door. Both times they were there to take some of the other 'guests' away with them for God know what reasons. The room I am in has pale blue walls, there are no bed frames, just yellowed mattresses on the floor with an equally yellowed pillow and sheet on each one. It has been quite warm at night, despite the rain, so it has not been uncomfortable. The room has a small bathroom too, which is a blessing, though it too is dirty and smells strongly of stale urine. In fact, the whole building reeks of stale sweat and urine, like a trough urinal at a bar. The doors have been pulled off the closet space, and are stacked against the wall.

    When I was first led up the stairs to the room, I first entered a large empty concrete storage space, with no furniture, and piles of garbage in the corners, which I mistakenly thought was my room for a few minutes. It had once been the lounge area of the hotel, and I couldn't see the small corridors running off from it. I was suitably relieved when the small elderly man who ran the place in the day followed me into the room, and then showed me down the hall to my actual room. The elevator in the building seems to work only when it wants to, so to avoid getting trapped in it I only used the stairs. There is a refrigerator in my room also, as yellowed and dingy as everything else. I only plugged it in once, and it made such a rattling noise, and gave off such a smell, that I unplugged it instantly. I also have a small black and white television which flickers and rolls. The name of the hotel has been carved into the metal on top. I don't watch the television much; it acts as a link to a world so unlike the one outside my window that it seems almost sick to turn it on.

    All night long there is the tramping up and down the stairs of the other guests, and I can hear the shouting matches between them late into the night. L
  • PFFlyer@EdmundsPFFlyer@Edmunds Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,808
    We're getting off the automotive track here. As intersting as apocolyptic fantasy might be, let's stick to what "buying American cars" means, if it means anything anymore.


    Moderator - Hatchbacks & Hybrid Vehicles

  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    "Life is bad for the majority of Americans, but a small minority have it good..."

    Wake up and smell the roses.

    Writing/posting fictional accounts of the future is a flawed means to 'prove' a point regarding the present.
  • PFFlyer@EdmundsPFFlyer@Edmunds Pennsylvania Furnace, PAPosts: 5,808
    Slight renaming of the topic.

    With parts coming from everywhere, does "Buying American" have much meaning anymore? Is quality and price the bottom line?


    Moderator - Hatchbacks & Hybrid Vehicles

  • rorrrorr Posts: 3,630
    Regarding your fictional accounts of life in the future...

    Compare the state of the economy in 1976 to today. Now compare GM's share of the market in 1976.

    One could ALMOST draw the conclusion from just those data points that a reduced GM share is GOOD for the economy.... :surprise:
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,576
    I think you need to start going to bed earlier, taking sleeping pills, or something. I swear I saw that movie the other night on the Sci Fi channel. I distinctly remember one scene in that movie where a teary-eyed father mentioned giving up his daughter for marriage when she turned 15! :surprise: Oh wait a minute...that was "Little House on the Prairie" :P
  • for me, it is also price(how much do I get for what iam paying) and quality(will this thing hold up at least 6-7 years) are what I look for.

    G6 was recently on sale, V6, for the price of some I-4 Fusions and Sonatas! That is a good deal, and quality was predicted to be at least Avg, (if not better).

    Style also..... yes. A Sonata may be loaded up like a 30K car from other makers, but if I do not care for the interior or exterior, I'll wait for a sale from some other maker(s) with vehicles we like, and comparable ot say Sonata.
  • anythngbutgmanythngbutgm Posts: 4,158
    "With parts coming from everywhere, does "Buying American" have much meaning anymore?"

    Nope. It's an old school way of protecting the Domestic markets. "American" is however extreme the consumer wants to take it to. To me, Buying a Mazda is no less "American" than buying a Ford. And Buying an Ohio built Honda or S.C. built BMW shouldn't be condemned either...
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,576
    I caught a radio ad the other day from Toyota, talking about how good they are for the American economy, with all the factories and such they have here, as well as parts suppliers and such. I thought it was interesting, to say the least. I wonder if Toyota is starting to worry about some kind of backlash against them?
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