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Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

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  • berriberri Posts: 4,235
    SAN is America's mini version of the old Hong Kong airport - scan the rooftops, clear the parking structure and plop 'er down. Giddy Up!
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,056
    the others have moved north into Kennesaw and beyond, avoiding the criminal element...at least in Kennesaw

    I spent 12 weeks at a Western Union school in 1973. The first week I fell in love with a girl from Kennesaw Mt. Met her at Ruby Reds in the Atlanta underground. I thought Atlanta was a great place back then. Went back for a visit in 1985 and it had changed for the worse.

    We are planning a road trip for the Spring, to Florida and then up to Indiana. We will avoid ALL big cities including Atlanta. I like to "Take the Roads Less Traveled".
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,056
    I don't think you can take off with a full load of fuel in a 747 out of Lindbergh field. Air Force one usually lands at the Navy runway on Coronado. I did see one land there from Mr A's restaurant one evening. MD11s and L1011 was about the limit for our airport.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,312
    edited November 2012
    My brother-in-law had a place in town there that was right on the flight path. They wouldn't let the planes land after 10(?) PM but after dark it was a hoot hanging out in his living room and getting lit up by the landing lights of the jets right overhead.

    Jay Leno and other greenies vote and the Ford Fusion wins 'Green Car of the Year' title. (Detroit News)

    Made in Michigan and Mexico (with parts sourced from all over).

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,056
    Mexico is America.....

    I think Ford is positioned to bail out of the USA at the drop of a hat. They will stay as long as the UAW allows them to stay in business here. This is NOT 1936.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,312
    Mexico is America..... . Right in keeping with the topic. :shades:

    Ford's not going anywhere. The sunk costs alone in Michigan are huge.

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 29,056
    It is all a write-off. If the UAW gets too pushy Ford will head to friendlier places. Just got a FB message from our friend Rocky. He just got laid off today. Been at that company about 6 months. Not sure if they are losing business or what. This economy sucks for the middle class. And it ain't gonna get better.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited November 2012
    The oil dipstick reads that it is about 1 qt overfilled with 56% remaining oil life. Think I should drain some out?

    I would just change the oil now to establish a base line. Actually, for all the fluids. Trans/gear box, diff, brake fluid, etc.

    I bought an 8 year old (at the time) NA Miata and the seller had all the service receipts. The rear diff oil looked like melted chocolate.

    This was at 26k miles, and she had done the 30k mile service early!

    You never know...
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    In that case Brazil is (south) American, too. ;)

    I have observed a double standard, people generally seem fine with Canada but balk at Mexico.

    Perhaps it's those wage numbers we read about earlier.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,312
    edited November 2012
    Too bad about Rocky. I see a company downstate missed projections and is getting rid of 5% of their employees (1100 of them) and a "small" (150 employee) bakery in Detroit is folding.

    There is a Ford plant getting partially razed for a Menards, but the factory is 55 years old. But the initial plan was for the battery/solar industry to move in, not retail jobs. (Detroit Free Press)

    Juice, ha! Got me. :shades:

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  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,196
    My 2005 Mercury Grand Marquis LS is at 104K miles. So far, so good. Absolutely no squeaks or rattles despite the daily beating from the harsh urban environment of Philadelphia.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,196
    Oh rats! I see Rocky on FB all the time. It sucks to be laid off as it is, but it's worse when it's right before the holidays. The grinches at his company sure stole Xmas! I bet they're doing alright and will be buying their trophy wives Lexus RX's!
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,196
    Good jobs are being replaced by crap jobs. Two big industrial sites in Philly that not long ago provided well-paying jobs were replaced by shopping centers full of low-wage jobs: Whitman's Chocolate factory and the colossal Sears warehouse complex.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,066
    Wow, sorry to hear about Rocky. Hope he lands on his feet and things improve for him. Let him know we're pulling for him!
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited November 2012
    I have observed a double standard, people generally seem fine with Canada but balk at Mexico.

    Perhaps it's those wage numbers we read about earlier.


    It's pretty apparent why people consider Canada and Mexico in a different light.

    Canada is not unlike the U.S. in many ways and has been for decades and decades.

    Items that used to be made in the U.S. (and Canada, for that matter) for decades, only started to be built in Mexico, for U.S. consumption, since NAFTA. Who here could compete with Mexico's wages? A lot of people remember that. In my wonderful little hometown, a railcar plant that was in operation for 80 straight years, had moved to Mexico within two years of NAFTA. The town hasn't recovered yet.

    Plus, there is rampant crime in a lot of places in Mexico. Personally, I'd feel less safe travelling there--and I have been to Cancun. On top of that, I don't think the U.S. has a big problem with illegal Canadians. ;)
  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,010
    edited November 2012
    Yeah, a "double standard" would mean the comparison is apples-to-apples, which of course it isn't. Too much one worlder shtick in here sometimes.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,312
    edited November 2012
    Cancun really isn't all that representative of Mexico imho. It has that "built" resort area feel. It's fun, but it's kind of like going to the Vegas Strip or Gatlinburg where the tourists outnumber the locals. Let me take you to lunch in Mexicantown in SW Detroit sometimes. Gotta be almost as safe as Toluca (and probably has similar numbers of auto workers hanging out).

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    When I'm in SE DC I think every back fire is a gun shot so I duck. :D

    Now they're putting in a new casino...that'll help!
  • berriberri Posts: 4,235
    Gary, IIRC there is a runway around 10K at SAN, so it can probably handle a B747. In fact, I think Delta once flew DC-8 service into there which in some configurations requires comparable runway length. However, that airport is pretty tight, so taxiway configuration might be less than friendly. I suspect there isn't the passenger or cargo demand count to support 747's out of there. AF One will often use a nearby military base over a commercial airport because it requires ground stops that can disrupt flight operations. Plus I think it has extra fuel tanks which might mess up the length and/or weight calculations for SAN? A 747 into SAN might scare the crap out of some of the people on the ground or on I-5 though! ;)
  • berriberri Posts: 4,235
    I think some look at Canada different than Mexico because despite NAFTA, I don't think Mexico is as open of a trade market. For example, they severely restrict petroleum out of there.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Dunno why, they've run cars on Tequila before:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Turbine_Car
  • berriberri Posts: 4,235
    But won't the worm in the bottle clog up the fuel tank ;)
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,196
    Casinos don't produce anything, they just take resources. There was a man in a Philly suburb who recently murdered a baby and its grandmother in a botched kidnapping attempt to pay off his gambling debts.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,651
    edited November 2012
    Casinos don't produce anything,

    Entertainment. My wife and I thoroughly enjoy going to Vegas or the occasional gambling boat. We go a few times a year (Vegas every few years), take a few hundred bucks and when it's gone we leave. Sometimes we're not there long or like the last time I left about $1k richer;)

    If it wasn't gambling debts, that loser likely would have jacked someone for drug money or something else.
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,768
    Gary, IIRC there is a runway around 10K at SAN, so it can probably handle a B747. In fact, I think Delta once flew DC-8 service into there which in some configurations requires comparable runway length. However, that airport is pretty tight, so taxiway configuration might be less than friendly. I suspect there isn't the passenger or cargo demand count to support 747's out of there. AF One will often use a nearby military base over a commercial airport because it requires ground stops that can disrupt flight operations. Plus I think it has extra fuel tanks which might mess up the length and/or weight calculations for SAN? A 747 into SAN might scare the crap out of some of the people on the ground or on I-5 though

    San Diego's runway is 9400' long, which is a little short for fully loaded heavies. The 747 is fading as the big twins are so much more energy efficient. I believe British Airways has a nonstop to London on a 777 out of SAN. Still, with only one runway, SAN is a fairly pathetic airport for a city of its size.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    One might have a point about not having casinos if, in their absence, no one gambled.

    But, we all know that isn't how the world works. A gambler is going to find a way to gamble, just like a drug addict is going to find a way to get drugs, legally or otherwise.

    At least casinos make a reasonable effort at following regulations, and they provide employment for thousands of workers, from hotel staff to floor personnel.

    My wife and kids go to Vegas every 2-3 years, primarily to see shows/comedians. Between the 4 of us, we probably gamble away less than $100 per trip.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Casinos don't produce anything, they just take resources

    I agree, I was just being sarcastic. Forgot the Emotor-con I guess.

    I was robbed outside a casino, at gun point. Not fun.
  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,312
    "Toyota Motor Corp. is offering retirement incentives to 2,000 U.S. manufacturing workers in Kentucky, a sign the Japanese auto maker is adopting some of the same cost-saving measures its Detroit rivals have implement in recent years.

    Acceptance of the buyout could help Toyota reduce its overall manufacturing costs. Veteran Toyota workers earn around $26 an hour, plus bonuses while replacements would start at around $16 an hour, similar to the two-tier wage system that U.S. auto makers began last decade."

    Toyota Offers U.S. Workers Retirement Incentives (Wall St Journal)

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They should take Ford's lead and move production to Mexico (kidding). ;)
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,196
    The man who did this despicable crime wasn't your garden variety thug or drug addict - he was a senior software engineer.
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