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Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

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  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,313
    edited May 13

    @isellhondas, we rarely sit in the back anyway and I think the fold and go seats are great, especially for our needs. Something tells me that Dodge copied the idea from Honda's magic seat in the original Odyssey wagon.

    I dunno, there's a 2010 up the road we may go look at - it's about $10k. Don't really believe CPO is worth it.

    The '03 here drove surprisingly well, better than the '06 we just got back from driving.

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  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,689

    @anythngbutgm said: Haven't had a car payment since 2011 when we paid off the Outback...

    You have a nice collection as well- I LOVE S2000s, and Subies are always cool.

    As for the Mazda, it now has 137k on the clock. It had several issues under warranty, but once it hit 65k it hasn't required anything other than a thermostat, rear pads, rear sway bar bushings, and scheduled maintenance. Not too long ago I threw on a set Koni FSDs, which transformed the ride/handling balance. A couple of weeks ago I installed a Hypertech Sport Tuner, which bumped hp close to 300 and torque to around 320 lb-ft. An unexpected bonus was an increase in fuel economy; since the install I've averaged 30.2 mpg. A friend sold me the tuner for a great price and it looks like it may very well pay for itself. When all is said and done, despite my affection for German cars, I have to say that the Mazda is now one of my all-time favorite cars; I can't think of anything under $35k I would replace it with.

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  • berriberri Posts: 4,235

    I agree with Isell on those second row stow 'n go seats. Just check it out real carefully because things like trannies have been an off and on problem for a number of years on those Mopar minivans. Otherwise, they are big depreciators so can be a decent used car deal as long as you aren't counting on it holding up like your Nissan van did. From people I know that drive them, I suspect you'll probably see your mechanic a bit more often as well.

  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 41,313

    My idea is to get us moved and then look at the 2015s. A moving van would cost $3,000 and the '03 Caravan would cost $5,000. Assuming it makes it out West in one piece, we're golden.

    Funny how one can rationalize anything. :D

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,068

    @Stever@Edmunds said: Funny how one can rationalize anything. :D

    That's definitely true. I started to rationalize buying this massive brute, because some of the trim parts on it are in better shape than on my car.

    I've already had my front and rear bumpers re-chromed, but I could use those taillight housings. They're in better shape than mine...

    I think this beast would be cool in its own right, although I'm sure it would cost a small fortune to bring it back to life.

  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,012

    Wow, that thing is pretty cool - definitely a labor of love to bring back, but I've never seen one in that style.

    @andre1969 said: I think this beast would be cool in its own right, although I'm sure it would cost a small fortune to bring it back to life.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,349
    edited May 14

    A LARGE FORTUNE. But it would be quite something if it was done up as a street rod.

    @fintail said: Wow, that thing is pretty cool - definitely a labor of love to bring back, but I've never seen one in that style.

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,068
    edited May 14

    I've only seen one DeSoto ambulance in person, but it was a totally different design, and based on the Firesweep rather than the Firedome/Fireflite. This was at the Carlisle Mopar show a few years back...

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,349

    Old ambulances are rare because it doesn't pay to restore them.

    @andre1969 said: I've only seen one DeSoto ambulance in person, but it was a totally different design, and based on the Firesweep rather than the Firedome/Fireflite. This was at the Carlisle Mopar show a few years back...

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,068
    edited May 14

    Also, just think of what a pain it would be to store something like that. It's probably not going to fit in most garages. And, I imagine security would stop me and do a search every time I tried to drive it to work! Probably a pain to drive, as well. And I know they're cramped inside, because the owner of the one I posted above let me sit in it. Because of the partition between the front seat and the back area, the seat doesn't go back very far, so it makes for a very cramped car.

    If I was filthy rich, I think it would be cool to have one...or maybe a '61-62 Cadillac hearse or ambulance. But, I don't think I'll ever be that filthy rich!

  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,785

    @andre1969 said: I think this beast would be cool in its own right, although I'm sure it would cost a small fortune to bring it back to life.

    " NEEDS RESTORATION"

    Gee...ya think?

  • fezofezo Posts: 9,391

    Andre I know I've been away a long time and I may be asking a painful question, but..... what is the status of your DeSoto?

  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,785

    I'm glad YOU asked....I've been afraid to.

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,349

    You can't sand blast metal that rusted so the entire car body probably should be chemically-hot-tanked. That should be fun. > @isellhondas said:

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,068
    edited May 15

    @fezo said: Andre I know I've been away a long time and I may be asking a painful question, but..... what is the status of your DeSoto?

    It's actually coming along pretty good. I went over yesterday, because the mechanic wanted to show me some stuff and ask for my approval on something. He was almost ready to drop the body back onto the frame, but asked me if I wanted him to repaint the engine bay area and fix some rust around the driver's side headlight bezel. The frame is powder coated and nice and pretty, and the engine has been rebuilt, repainted, and looks brand new, so suddenly the fender linings and such don't look so pretty anymore, and would look clashy compared to the engine. And, it's cheaper to do it now while it's all apart.

    Also, I'm discovering just how cheaply Chrysler slapped these cars together...they built them so that they'd go together as quick as possible on the assembly line, but when it comes time to pull something off, not quite so easy. For instance, if you want to take the chrome taillight bezels off, you have to first take the bumper off, because it overlaps and there's not enough clearance. And you can't pull a fender off without taking the bumper/grille assembly off first, either.

    So, at the rate the mechanic is going, this sucker probably will end up being ready sometime this year. I'm kinda worried though, that when it comes back, it's going to be so nice that I'll be afraid to drive it!

    Here's one of the more recent pics I took of the frame:

    And here's a closeup of the engine:

  • fezofezo Posts: 9,391

    This year would be good. By this time next year I hop to finally put out another CD - a mere 19 years since the first one. Given the concept I'm working with the DeSoto could definitely play a nice part in the cover shot!

    Might look too new, though......

  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,012

    Seeing that new looking engine and frame makes me think of restoring my old car - until I think about the price B)

  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,689
    edited May 16

    If I ever win a Publishers Clearing House sweepstakes I am sending my '02 to The Werk Shop in Chicago for a total restoration- along with a few mods...

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,068
    edited May 16

    @fezo said: This year would be good. By this time next year I hop to finally put out another CD - a mere 19 years since the first one. Given the concept I'm working with the DeSoto could definitely play a nice part in the cover shot!

    Might look too new, though......

    Well, the body itself isn't going to get re-painted, other than the rear quarters where some rust was patched, and around the one headlight that's getting redone. So it probably won't look too new! Here's how it looked when it got towed away, back in December 2009...

  • fezofezo Posts: 9,391

    Oh, that could be perfect. I'd probably be standing in front of it staring at the engine. We'll Photoshop some smoke coming out of the engine... Maybe use an interior shot that shows the push button tranny for the back. Tentatively titled Roadside America, there's a sing with that title, another called Tail Fins and various road, car and gasoline songs. My first attempt at something of a concept album. I'm certainly old enough by now....

  • berriberri Posts: 4,235

    You guys have got me thinking Route 66 now :p

  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,785

    I've never seen a 57 De Soto with quad headlights!

    I know that in 1957 it was possible to get quads on Chryslers but only in the states that permitted them. It looks like the same applied to De Sotos.

    Looks like it's going to worth the wait and expense. Just don't make it a Trailer Queen!

  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,785

    Speaking of Trailer Queens...

  • fintailfintail Posts: 34,012

    I assume that red paint is just oxidized, and will shine right up.

  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,651

    very nice Andre!

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,068

    @isellhondas said: I've never seen a 57 De Soto with quad headlights!

    I know that in 1957 it was possible to get quads on Chryslers but only in the states that permitted them. It looks like the same applied to De Sotos.

    Looks like it's going to worth the wait and expense. Just don't make it a Trailer Queen!

    Funny, I think I've seen more '57 DeSotos with quads, than without! But yeah, it varied from state to state. Apparently, Pennsylvania legalized the quads that year, because that's where mine came from originally. While all Chryslers had the option of quads, with DeSoto, it was all models except the Dodge-based Firesweep, which used a DeSoto body on a shorter Dodge frame, and up front had Dodge fenders/hood, with a DeSoto grille stuck on. Oh, and a 325 poly instead of a 341 Hemi.

    I think they could have put quad lights on if they wanted to, though. The '57 Dodge (and Plymouth) were set up where a big turn signal mounted inboard of the single headlights gave the car a somewhat quad-headlight look. And, for '58 they all went with quad lights.

    One thing I just realized...I don't think I've ever seen a 1957 Adventurer with single headlights. Not in pictures, nor in person. I think the Adventurer came out somewhat late in the model year though, so maybe quad lights were legal nationwide by then?

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,068
    edited May 18

    @fintail said: I assume that red paint is just oxidized, and will shine right up.

    Yeah, a little oxidized, and VERY dusty! Here's a pic of the body, up on the lift where it's been for a good 4 years by now...

    It will still show flaws and age once it's washed and waxed, but it should look fairly presentable. I think all the handprints in the dust on the trunk give it a nice, horror movie touch. Like something's trying to get out. Or in...

  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,785

    So, on a restoration like this id it pay as you go with periodic payments?

  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 45,349

    Nothing that $20,000 wouldn't fix up real nice. :)

    What's with the lower rear quarter panel? Paint has been stripped off for some reason?

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  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 22,068
    edited May 18

    @Mr_Shiftright said: Nothing that $20,000 wouldn't fix up real nice. :)

    What's with the lower rear quarter panel? Paint has been stripped off for some reason?

    Oh I wish I was only into it for $20K... :'(

    As for the lower quarters, they were rusty and had bondo in them, so they were cut out and patched. Here's a closeup of each side:

    The passenger side was worse, and needed a bigger patch.

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