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Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

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  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,068
    My 2005 Mercury Grand Marquis LS is at 104K miles. So far, so good. Absolutely no squeaks or rattles despite the daily beating from the harsh urban environment of Philadelphia.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,068
    Oh rats! I see Rocky on FB all the time. It sucks to be laid off as it is, but it's worse when it's right before the holidays. The grinches at his company sure stole Xmas! I bet they're doing alright and will be buying their trophy wives Lexus RX's!
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,068
    Good jobs are being replaced by crap jobs. Two big industrial sites in Philly that not long ago provided well-paying jobs were replaced by shopping centers full of low-wage jobs: Whitman's Chocolate factory and the colossal Sears warehouse complex.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,581
    Wow, sorry to hear about Rocky. Hope he lands on his feet and things improve for him. Let him know we're pulling for him!
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,334
    edited November 2012
    I have observed a double standard, people generally seem fine with Canada but balk at Mexico.

    Perhaps it's those wage numbers we read about earlier.


    It's pretty apparent why people consider Canada and Mexico in a different light.

    Canada is not unlike the U.S. in many ways and has been for decades and decades.

    Items that used to be made in the U.S. (and Canada, for that matter) for decades, only started to be built in Mexico, for U.S. consumption, since NAFTA. Who here could compete with Mexico's wages? A lot of people remember that. In my wonderful little hometown, a railcar plant that was in operation for 80 straight years, had moved to Mexico within two years of NAFTA. The town hasn't recovered yet.

    Plus, there is rampant crime in a lot of places in Mexico. Personally, I'd feel less safe travelling there--and I have been to Cancun. On top of that, I don't think the U.S. has a big problem with illegal Canadians. ;)
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,892
    edited November 2012
    Yeah, a "double standard" would mean the comparison is apples-to-apples, which of course it isn't. Too much one worlder shtick in here sometimes.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,923
    edited November 2012
    Cancun really isn't all that representative of Mexico imho. It has that "built" resort area feel. It's fun, but it's kind of like going to the Vegas Strip or Gatlinburg where the tourists outnumber the locals. Let me take you to lunch in Mexicantown in SW Detroit sometimes. Gotta be almost as safe as Toluca (and probably has similar numbers of auto workers hanging out).
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    When I'm in SE DC I think every back fire is a gun shot so I duck. :D

    Now they're putting in a new casino...that'll help!
  • berriberri Posts: 4,000
    Gary, IIRC there is a runway around 10K at SAN, so it can probably handle a B747. In fact, I think Delta once flew DC-8 service into there which in some configurations requires comparable runway length. However, that airport is pretty tight, so taxiway configuration might be less than friendly. I suspect there isn't the passenger or cargo demand count to support 747's out of there. AF One will often use a nearby military base over a commercial airport because it requires ground stops that can disrupt flight operations. Plus I think it has extra fuel tanks which might mess up the length and/or weight calculations for SAN? A 747 into SAN might scare the crap out of some of the people on the ground or on I-5 though! ;)
  • berriberri Posts: 4,000
    I think some look at Canada different than Mexico because despite NAFTA, I don't think Mexico is as open of a trade market. For example, they severely restrict petroleum out of there.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Dunno why, they've run cars on Tequila before:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Turbine_Car
  • berriberri Posts: 4,000
    But won't the worm in the bottle clog up the fuel tank ;)
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,068
    Casinos don't produce anything, they just take resources. There was a man in a Philly suburb who recently murdered a baby and its grandmother in a botched kidnapping attempt to pay off his gambling debts.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,627
    edited November 2012
    Casinos don't produce anything,

    Entertainment. My wife and I thoroughly enjoy going to Vegas or the occasional gambling boat. We go a few times a year (Vegas every few years), take a few hundred bucks and when it's gone we leave. Sometimes we're not there long or like the last time I left about $1k richer;)

    If it wasn't gambling debts, that loser likely would have jacked someone for drug money or something else.
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,695
    Gary, IIRC there is a runway around 10K at SAN, so it can probably handle a B747. In fact, I think Delta once flew DC-8 service into there which in some configurations requires comparable runway length. However, that airport is pretty tight, so taxiway configuration might be less than friendly. I suspect there isn't the passenger or cargo demand count to support 747's out of there. AF One will often use a nearby military base over a commercial airport because it requires ground stops that can disrupt flight operations. Plus I think it has extra fuel tanks which might mess up the length and/or weight calculations for SAN? A 747 into SAN might scare the crap out of some of the people on the ground or on I-5 though

    San Diego's runway is 9400' long, which is a little short for fully loaded heavies. The 747 is fading as the big twins are so much more energy efficient. I believe British Airways has a nonstop to London on a 777 out of SAN. Still, with only one runway, SAN is a fairly pathetic airport for a city of its size.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,444
    One might have a point about not having casinos if, in their absence, no one gambled.

    But, we all know that isn't how the world works. A gambler is going to find a way to gamble, just like a drug addict is going to find a way to get drugs, legally or otherwise.

    At least casinos make a reasonable effort at following regulations, and they provide employment for thousands of workers, from hotel staff to floor personnel.

    My wife and kids go to Vegas every 2-3 years, primarily to see shows/comedians. Between the 4 of us, we probably gamble away less than $100 per trip.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Casinos don't produce anything, they just take resources

    I agree, I was just being sarcastic. Forgot the Emotor-con I guess.

    I was robbed outside a casino, at gun point. Not fun.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,923
    "Toyota Motor Corp. is offering retirement incentives to 2,000 U.S. manufacturing workers in Kentucky, a sign the Japanese auto maker is adopting some of the same cost-saving measures its Detroit rivals have implement in recent years.

    Acceptance of the buyout could help Toyota reduce its overall manufacturing costs. Veteran Toyota workers earn around $26 an hour, plus bonuses while replacements would start at around $16 an hour, similar to the two-tier wage system that U.S. auto makers began last decade."

    Toyota Offers U.S. Workers Retirement Incentives (Wall St Journal)
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They should take Ford's lead and move production to Mexico (kidding). ;)
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,068
    The man who did this despicable crime wasn't your garden variety thug or drug addict - he was a senior software engineer.
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