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Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

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  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,443
    edited December 2012
    I did my first trip in 1998 on a Harley Road King. I started off from Key West, FL and rode just about every road I could find, rode up to the Arctic Circle, then grabbed the ferry at Skagway and rode it to Bellingham, WA. Then came back to SC via the southern route through Arizona, New Mexico, etc., and took 7 weeks to make the trip.

    The last time (2010) I went I took my wife & younger daughter. Flew that time to Anchorage, rode the observation car on the train, stopping and staying the nite ate each stop along the way. After 6-7 days, we finally made it into Fairbanks and flew home.

    You see things there that you don't see anywhere else...
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,325
    Of all those, the Quest was the most comfy and the most "American" ride (the Voyager was made in Ontario, while the Quest was made in Ohio).

    It's probably a pretty safe bet the Voyager had the content percentage contest down, but probably too late to know for sure at this point.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,916
    edited December 2012
    I don't even know if they tracked that back in '89. Wiki says the engine was from Michigan. The next generation was still made in Winsor but Chrysler added production in St. Louis. That was my last car with real rain gutters. :cry:
  • roadburnerroadburner Posts: 6,011
    edited December 2012
    Here's the best way to really see Alaska:
    2014 Alcan 5000 Rally

    I ran the 2000 Alcan 5000 in an American(but not UAW)-made truck...

    2009 328i / 2004 X3 2.5/ 1995 318ti Club Sport/ 1975 2002A/ 2007 Mazdaspeed 3/ 1999 Wrangler/ 1996 Speed Triple Challenge Cup Replica

  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,916
    edited December 2012
    My first trip up took 6 weeks from Mississippi back in '70 in the Bug. Not enough time. Anything faster than 6 days or so north from the MT/WA border is too fast. You need at least a day at Liard to soak in the hot springs too. :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I'm still rather mystified that a company who says they are so 'American' was completely hamstrung here, and I mean completely, when the awful tsunami hit there in 2011

    That statement makes no sense when you consider the Camry was still the best selling car in the country last year.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    that's a far cry from basically shutting down production

    Not sure if you realize this, but Toyota manufactured over 13 million cars and trucks in N. American in 2011.

    Does that sound like production was shut down to you? :confuse:

    For 2012 they will exceed 15 million but they also expanded capacity.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    cessation of production

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited December 2012
    An entire assembly built overseas, where the pads were not installed, was installed on the car, not just pads by themselves

    Double standard alert!

    Chevy gets a pass because the brake assembly for the Sonic is built in Korea?

    Then Toyota gets a pass for rusty frames supplied by Dana and made in the USA. Note their trucks with a J first in their VIN do not have the same issue. Also remember Dana paid $25 million to settle since their frames didn't meet agreed upon standards.

    Yet you've never seen it that way and mention those frames OFTEN.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    The Equinox is another bread-and-butter segment where they could use some improvement...it's too big to be a compact

    I disagree, the 'nox has been a hit. It's selling at higher volumes and for more money too, vs. its predecessor.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    According to Consumer Reports, even though the Volt is excellent, GM as a whole didn't place for 2012 in the top list, which was all Asian brands.

    Slight correction - Audi made it on the list at #8. The other 9 were Asian.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Do you guys discuss anything other than Alaska on this forum any longer?
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,916
    Welcome back from the weekend. :)
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,325
    No, the UAW gets a pass since the goof originated in Korea. Chevrolet, being the division, must take full responsibility for the goof--and they did--just like Toyota should and did.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited December 2012
    There are still inspections and tests performed on each car, how that one got by is puzzling.

    Maybe the final inspector is eating lunch with those Chrysler guys.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,325
    ateixera, look back over a year on our posts here. You will see again and again and again and again by the usual suspects here, how the only reason the Malibu was the best-selling car in the country for a month or two was that Japanese production was way, way down.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Malibu led for, what, one month?

    And that was with a conquest rebate targeted specifically at Honda and Toyota.

    Camry still was the best seller for the year by a wide margin.

    The reason I remember is the troll from the Toyota threads appeared and then disappeared just as quickly.

    You didn't subscribe back then, but no response from the troll once the Camry took over again, or since.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,325
    edited December 2012
    I thought it was two months, but I could be wrong. It beat the Fusion too which was unusual at the time.

    I'm not certain about the 'targeted specifically at Honda and Toyota'. I bought one at that time and I remember no special rebates for trading in a Toyota or Honda, or anything like that.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    edited December 2012
    But they were selling cars at $3895 below invoice, as I pointed out to a troll in the Toyota thread here:

    http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/direct/view/.efda853/14058#MSG14058
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,325
    edited December 2012
    Fitzmall may have been, but although I think I got a good deal, I didn't get that and I doubt many other dealers were approaching "Fitzmall"'s deals.

    The car was a very good value, IMHO less 'snoozeworthy' than a Camry, and price will make people shift allegiances.

    So, still...what is making you say there were rebates or allowances that were 'directly aimed at Accord and Camry'? I'm not aware of any in particular.

    I'm fairly sure, but less so, that there was a month or two when the Cruze was America's best-selling car too in that general tsunami period.
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