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Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

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  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,045
    >rear lower control arm rubber bushings...

    What year is the DeVille?
  • xrunner2xrunner2 Posts: 3,062
    That's one reason people are flocking to crossovers - they're the perfect height, you don't step up or down, you just slide in.

    If you have very, very old senior friends or relatives that need your help to get places, such as doctors, hospital tests, or visiting others, the ordinary sedan is the best. These folks are usually short, not very flexible. They can easily back into the front seat of a sedan. And, if they are in a portable wheelchair, the only way to help them into a seat is with a sedan car seat. For these folks, suvs, pickups, some minivans have seats that are way too high.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I had a back injury and my wife's Forester was a Godsend. Perfect height plus heated seats.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,847
    I think it might depend on the sedan. I remember my grandmother complaining about how hard it was to get in and out of one of her friend's cars. And her friend drives that archetype of old-people cars...a Mercury Grand Marquis!

    She doesn't do too badly, getting in and out of my 2000 Park Ave. And odd as it may sound, my '76 LeMans is actually easy for her to get in and out of. You wouldn't think a low-slung 70's coupe would be senior-citizen friendly, but its seat is pretty high off the floor and the sill is narrow, and close to the edge of the seat, so it's fairly easy to enter/exit.

    For the longest time, it was easiest to just load her into my '85 Silverado, because it was just high enough that she could slide into, rather than down into. But, in the past few years, as she's aged and shrunk, it's gotten to be too much.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 39,971
    The dearth of small domestic pickups may be ending sooner than anyone thought.

    "Rising fuel prices have General Motors Co. GM and Chrysler Group LLC taking a second look at peddling smaller pickup trucks—vehicles that the Detroit Three auto makers abandoned in the U.S. amid weak demand.

    GM is planning to revive its Chevy Colorado and GMC Canyon in late 2014, and Chrysler is considering a replacement for its Dakota. Both see the vehicles helping them to hit higher fuel-economy targets and to regain market share from Toyota Motor Corp.'s Tacoma, the current top-selling small hauler."

    Detroit Rethinks Small Trucks (WSJ)

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  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    Ford builds the best mid sized truck on the Planet. They do not want to risk undercutting their cash cow F150. The T6 diesel would be a killer truck if they built it here and went head to head with the 3rd rate Tacoma. Which by the way is not as good of a truck as the Frontier. Just has a loyal following. I know, as I bought a Tacoma for an ex wife and it was a POC gas hog 4 cylinder stick shift. I also bought one for my son and it cost me a fortune to maintain. Datsun/Nissan builds a much better small/mid sized PU truck.
  • scwmcanscwmcan Niagara, CanadaPosts: 393
    Apparently so does Toyota, just not in the US or Canada.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    I have the feeling the World Market is no longer dominated by the US and Canadian car buyers. The Toyota diesel PUs sold all over the World are great trucks. The Tacoma is a foo foo truck for Americans. They still use drum brakes on the rear. Not great for stopping with a 3 ton trailer in tow. Less power than the competition sold here. And more expensive. Datsun/Nissan has sold a better small truck in the USA since forever. Yet Toyota seems to get the loyalty.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    My elderly Mom could easily get into and out of my '63 Lark Daytona when I'd drive it over to see her--chairlike seating and nearly flat floors. I think she'd have done well getting in and out of my daughter's PT too. She did have trouble getting out of my old Cavalier coupe and I suspect she'd have had trouble getting up and out of my Cobalt or our Malibu. I used to actually have to pick her up to get her in and out of our vans. She was 5'2" and about 100 lbs.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I think it might depend on the sedan

    In 2005, in a Subaru thread, we were discussing this, so I broke out a tape measure and actually measured the hip point of several cars:

    NA Miata: 13"
    Legacy 2.5i sedan: 17.5"
    Impreza RS sedan: 20"
    Outback XT: 22"
    Tribeca: 26"

    So you can see there are pronounced differences from a low slung sports car to a high up crossover, exactly double in this case.

    Sedans varied a lot. That Legacy actually had a surprisingly low hip point. The Outback would be far more comfortable to get in and out.

    My friend's Altima is also very low slung.

    My Sienna minivan is higher than my wife's Forester.

    It all depends on the model.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    Speaking of sedans...

    I saw what I think was a new Caprice today (it was definitely a Caprice, because I could see the "Caprice" emblem on the side)... It had a temporary tag, which SC issues on a new sale (good up to 45 days after the sale, and this one expires on March 16).

    It was a medium-to-dark metallic gray. Not a bad looking car at all, although the front grill looks a bit small for the front of the car. The car was in the lane next to me, so I couldn't get a look at the interior.

    IMO, the car's design is much "smarter" looking than the Malibu.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    To my knowledge, those are only sold to police departments, not even rental fleets. I wonder if it was an 'unmarked' car...although it's kind of funny that a car that's only sold to police departments would be an unmarked car! ;)

    The rear I think is a bit plain, like the 'old' ('12 and earlier) Impala, but I like it in profile. I truly wish it weren't built in Australia, and I know people from Australia so it's nothing personal!
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,847
    On the subject of GM cars that the public can't buy, I spotted a black Chevy Captiva yesterday, with temporary tags on it. Dunno if it was a fleet vehicle that was just purchased, or a used car bought by a private party. I just checked Cars.com, and it's showing 15 of them for sale, within a 30 mile radius of my zipcode. All of them 2012 models.

    I just tried to search on "Caprice" and unfortunately, the only thing that came up was a 1996 with 250,000 miles on it, for $2200.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,505
    Some 2012s have aged out of fleets and are on lots already, I have seen privately plated Captivas here. Just like the hoary old Chevy "Classic" - fleet only, but they are on the roads driven by private parties now.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,494
    edited March 2013
    Driving down to get my daughter for spring break last Friday, I passed a caravan of old guys driving two CTS's and two Captivas, both with "Sold" scrawled on a window of them...probably from an auction. None had a new car window sticker, FWIW. ;)
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,739
    edited March 2013
    I passed a caravan of old guys driving two CTS's and two Captivas...

    That's going to be my retirement job.

    As for Caprices, the local gendarme has two - one marked and one unmarked.

    Other than we enthusiasts would recognize the Caprice as police only. The other 98% would identify it as a car.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,505
    All ex-rentals, I would wager. I know the CTS has seen a lot of fleet sales too, as it ages and attracts less private buyer attention.

    And yeah, shuttling these cars back and forth would be a cool retirement job. A mere 30-something years away for me :shades:
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    You gonna join sandman? Hopefully we'll see your write-ups as well.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    http://www.autoblog.com/2013/03/12/2013-buick-verano-turbo-vs-2013-acura-ilx-2-4- -comparison-review/

    "The Verano feels like a cheap version of an expensive car, while the ILX feels like an expensive version of a cheap car."

    Interesting read. Both cars made in the USA.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,847
    And yeah, shuttling these cars back and forth would be a cool retirement job. A mere 30-something years away for me

    It does sound like a fun, but I wonder if, once you're actually doing it for a living, it would feel too much like work, and lose its charm?

    If I ever find myself retired/fired/laid-off/whatever, it might be something to look into.
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