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Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

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  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,641
    I don't see it as positive in any way. I have never had rat, mice or squirrels eat my Romex insulation. Sounds like Union control of government to me. How do you run EMT through floor joists in a two story home. It would add $1000s to the cost of wiring a home with little or no benefit.

    I agree. I'm not losing any sleep over Romex. I recently visited our camper to open it up and get it ready for summer. A family of mice had taken residence under the kitchen cabinets and under the stove. They chewed up some of the wood panels under sink where Romex type wiring and plastic plumbing ran through. They didn't mess with any of the wiring or plastic plumbing.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    We might have lost some ground, but our military is still top notch (and better be, for what it costs).

    I agree. I would eliminate the Army completely. Expand the Marines as part of the Navy. A strong Navy is our best defense and offense. Really not much the Air Force does that could not be done from aircraft carriers and missile launching ships. Cutting the Navy to the point of not maintaining our aircraft carriers is political BS.

    I don't want to hear a word about SS from people your age - they'll have bumped up the retirement age to 80 for my generation.

    Look in the mirror, your generation have elected the people wanting to give the SS Savings to people that have not earned it. I would have gladly kept all the money I have dumped into SS/MC and invested it myself. I would be getting at least twice what the stingy Feds pay back every month. I am glad my union pension fund was not run by the Feds.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    I'd venture a guess that the numbers added by the models I mentioned would be in the thousands.

    Will the models added to US manufacture out number the models being dropped? Ford Ranger, Chrysler T&C, Jeep Compass, GM hybrid PU trucks etc all built here are going or gone.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    edited April 2013
    Perhaps "ignorant" or "dumb" would be a better word than "amazing". Rigid conduit, piping, thinwall is the superior method for running electrical wire in houses and buildings. That along with metal boxes rather than plastic for junctions, light switches, ac outlets, lighting fixtures, etc. Products such as romex are vulnerable to events such as mice getting in walls and chewing off insulation. Romex exposed in unfinished attics is vulnerable to critters such as squirrels and mice invading and then chewing off insulation. Of course, missing insulation and bare wire exposure may cause a fire.

    Well, lets be scientific about this....

    When you can clearly, and factually demonstrate a statistically significant reduction in house fires in areas that require conduit .vs. those that don't, we can discuss the advantage/costs ratios. Until then, its a regulation that requires people to pay extra $$$ for nothing. Well, nothing for them, but a huge benefit to the conduit installers.

    Ask any fire martial where electrical fires due to faulty house firing (installed in walls/ceiling/flooring, not extension cords, etc.) fall in the rankings, and I'll give you 5 to 1 odds it'll be far below smoking, stove fires, faulty appliances... The list will be long before you reach faulty house wiring.

    It's certainly possible conduit could decrease house fires, but that doesn't automatically translate into less house fires, no more than wrapping your kid up in bubble-wrap before putting him in a car seat would actually offer added protection. It certainly seems like it would, but I've never seen it done.

    Like I said earlier, if it was any problem of significance, the rest of the country would have burned years ago.
  • berriberri Posts: 4,141
    edited April 2013
    I would eliminate the Army completely. Expand the Marines ... Really not much the Air Force does that could not be done from aircraft carriers and missile launching ships.

    That would be nice as it would save $$$, but I'm not sure it would work in the real world. Here are some of the problems: You can't really win any significant conflicts without either placing boots on the ground or using WMD. No soldiers, gains will be short-lived unfortunately. Bombs and missiles alone can't really wipe out the opposing forces. The Marines, being a quick deployment force, are expensive to operate - but very much needed. Weapons and war technology are making aircraft carriers much more vulnerable. In fact China is testing some stealth supersonic missile technology that has the Navy quite concerned. Enemy submarines are improving substantially as well. The Navy is also extraordinarily expensive to operate. AF bombers are still a critical part of the nuclear defense triad (along with land launched and submarine based). What we should be doing in my way of thinking is improving and updating our nuclear deterrent capabilities like China and Russia are doing quietly. The size of the Army is something that should probably be looked at though because I'm not sure we're going to see massive land deployments (although it might be necessary shorter term in a war with North Korea if we don't go nuke whether we need to clean up their forces or handle mass population capitulation). I suspect the Army over time will end up with a larger reserve force and smaller active duty one due to cost. Probably makes sense as long as we don't do the Reserves on the cheap for cost cutting. Congress is run by a bunch of idiots, so you've got to be concerned about how they downsize Defense.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,006
    edited April 2013
    Anyone tire kicking a new car for their stable?

    We'll even live chat with you from the dealer. :-)

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  • berriberri Posts: 4,141
    Well, I'm kind of looking at Crossovers (or maybe even a minivan), but with the excessive Detroit sticker prices and the new forthcoming Asian products, I think I'll defer until 2014.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    IMO, what would really be nice would be charging countries for the protection we provide.

    Pay to play.

    Personally, I'm not too worried about modern day Japan creating some aggressive war machine if we removed our forces (that's the driving "idea" tats kept US troops stationed there since WWII) and going Pearl Harbor V 2.0.

    We pay taxes to support our police. Other countries should at least pay the costs of their protection.

    Seems so obvious to me.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,006
    edited April 2013
    Somehow I don't think sticker prices will ease. Although production and sales are way up, but there's still a lot of pent-up demand out there.

    Well, minivan deals should be out there.

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  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    My daughter is getting a new ride in a couple of months. At this time, she's leaning towards a Subaru Forrester, but she has yet to do a test drive, so that's subject to change. She's the exact type of person that Subaru marketing appeals to... Outdoorsy, very active, young, etc.
  • dieselonedieselone Posts: 5,641
    I will be looking for a couple of vehicles over the next 12-24 months. My Expedition is nearing 120k miles and my daughter will be driving within the next 2 years. So I'll need to find her something to drive.

    I don't know what I want. Might go with a pickup, but I'm also curious about the upcoming Suburban and Expedition. Whichever direction I go, I need the capability to tow 6k to 9k lbs.
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 40,006
    edited April 2013
    Sounds like my sister. Lives in the garden all summer, active shopper, 67. Dog lover too, but she's been between dogs for a while now.

    Her Forester is an '05.

    (I jest, but the Subaru Crew - Meet The Members will agree with your marketing assessment. Does she have a boyfriend or dog named Dave?).

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  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    edited April 2013
    Does she have a boyfriend or dog named Dave?

    Not that I'm aware of...

    She does have a middle-aged cat, female, rescued from a shelter.... Name is Emm. Short for Emily, Emmy, something...

    I can't remember ever riding in a Subaru, so it'll be interesting for me as well when I go with her to take a test drive. Should be fun.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,509
    edited April 2013
    Consolidation would probably be a logical idea for the military - but it would cut off some well-connected contractors and "capitalists" (who built it!) no doubt, so it's not likely anytime soon. Nice idea though. Save so much money, use the savings to revamp some tax codes, and see what happens. And after the third dose of coddling, what if the "job creators" again fail to put up?

    I am not seeing much difference no matter who is elected. A defeated group still hasn't revealed their miraculous savior economic plan. Could the emperor really have no clothes? Not to mention, older people tend to have higher voter turnouts, who who is doing the electing? :P
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,509
    Not to mention the enormously expensive operations scattered around the EU. If they want that protection, they can open the wallet, or we can leave. It's simple. Same thing for petulant states to the southeast of there.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,509
    Are all Foresters still made in Japan? I know they were for a long time.
  • tlongtlong CaliforniaPosts: 4,737
    Could the emperor really have no clothes?

    None of the emperors or would-be emperors have any clothing.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,490
    At the moment, I think all US model Foresters are Japan built, but according to the link below, that's getting ready to change, and US models will be made in Indiana...

    http://www.autoblog.com/2012/12/07/subaru-mulling-expanding-indiana-plant-for-fo- rester-impreza/
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,850
    And after the third dose of coddling, what if the "job creators" again fail to put up?

    The job creators are fed up with our over regulated society. It is not the Job Creators that are pulling the Federal strings. It is the Fed and their cronies in the banking and Wall Street establishment. Look around at the jobs created in the auto industry. All subsidized by the States and Federal government. That is an unsustainable economy.

    I am not seeing much difference no matter who is elected.

    The Bubble burst under a Democrat Congress. And went further in the toilet under a Democrat President.

    Not to mention, older people tend to have higher voter turnouts, who who is doing the electing?

    The elections since 2006 have all been based on fear. I don't see any logical arguments for either party. At least not coming out of the MSM. Ads pushing old people off cliffs. More wars if you don't vote for the supposed peaceful Democrats. You know the reality. Just don't want to accept it.

    Consolidation would probably be a logical idea for the military - but it would cut off some well-connected contractors and "capitalists" (who built it!) no doubt, so it's not likely anytime soon. Nice idea though.

    Thanks, I thought so. We pretty much agree on the military strangle hold. It is even worse now with $96 billion a year funneled through foreign corporations into Afghanistan. At least Halliburton was kind of American.
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