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Buying American Cars What Does It Mean?

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  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    I don't think CA has screwed up the diesel like they have the gas.

    How much is diesel going for in CA? Last time I rented a diesel F250 it was about $5.15 almost a buck more than regular. I was shocked cause that F250 with 4000 miles gave me 9 mpg with no load and 6-7 mpg with a load.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    At 12:45 they called and said the car was ready to go- and it was washed and vacuumed when I picked it up.

    Wash and vacuumed? I was just glad to get it back in one piece and working. Dealer is located in a dusty area near the airport so I ended up washing it. That's ok with me as long as the water pump didn't leak.

    Second dealer had the Acadia for two whole days to R/R the rack. Service advisor called yesterday at 6 pm stating that the rack was installed and all they had left was the alignment so the vehicle should be ready for pickup between 1:30 and 2 pm. If they opened at 7am that sure makes for a long alignment job to finish at 1:30.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    Diesel in CA stays consistently around $4 over the last year. Over the same time period I paid at Costco from $3.45 to $4.49 per gallon for gas. It peaked October 2012 and bottomed January 2013. Currently RUG is $3.65 at Costco and our local Chevron is $4.01 for diesel.

    An F250 diesel that only gets 9 MPG is in bad condition. They should get 18-20 MPG with no load and 12 MPG pulling a 12,000 lb load. That from a friend that hauls cross country with his fifth wheel horse hauler.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,284
    Just get an All Road and call it a day. Good ground clearance and still fun to drive.
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,284
    edited August 2013
    How come when I was looking at Cadillac recently I saw power train warranties much less than the 5 year 100K mile version of what must be only in the past?

    Must of got too expensive to cover!
  • andres3andres3 CAPosts: 5,284
    Buying American cars what does it mean? Don't keep it past 3 years.

    I can't agree more with that statement, but frankly, you have to be a sucker to even buy one in the first place. All the writing has been on the walls for years and years now.
  • Fun to drive until the repair bills come in you mean.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,594
    Buying American cars what does it mean? Don't keep it past 3 years

    I'm thinking about trading my 2012 Ram just before it hits the 5 year mark, which is when the powertrain warranty expires. Bumper-to-bumper is 3/36.

    However, it's getting driven so little, that I doubt it'll even have 30,000 miles on it at the 5 year mark. It'll be one year on September 23, and I think it only has about 4400 miles on it. So unless I start driving more, it may only have 25,000 on it after 5 years.

    My rationale though, is that in theory it should need nothing, other than oil and air filter changes, up to the 5 year mark (unless it proves to be a turd). The tires will still probably even be good. But, at that point it might start needing some maintenance stuff. For instance, even though it would be low mileage, after 5 years I'd think it would need a transmission flush, coolant flush, maybe new belts and hoses. And even though spark plugs last a long time nowadays, when you don't drive much they might still get fouled up.

    So I figure I'll bail on it before it needs any maintenance, and get into something new. Plus, life goes by fast enough, and I'm starting to get the feeling that I don't want to keep driving the same thing forever. I had my old Intrepid for 10 years, from the age of 29 to 39. Bought the Ram at 42, and I'll be 47 at its 5 year mark. I'd imagine that by the time I turn 90 I'll probably have to give up driving. So, if I was to keep cars 10 years like I did that Intrepid, that would mean there are only four new vehicles in my future, after the Ram (assumes trading at age 52, 62, 72, and 82). That's kind of a scary though!

    Although I'd still end up with more vehicles than that, since I'm going to have to replace my 2000 Park Ave, eventually.

    But, I'll see how things are when that Ram hits the 5 year mark. If the economy goes to hell and my finances are shot, I'd hang onto it. And if it ends up proving troublesome early on, it'll be gone long before the 5 year mark!

    I can't agree more with that statement, but frankly, you have to be a sucker to even buy one in the first place. All the writing has been on the walls for years and years now.

    According to Consumer Reports, the Ram has an average reliability rating, I think. So, that's not too bad. I think the GM trucks and F-150 are about the same (although GM just redesigned for 2014 and it's too early to tell with them). The Nissan Titan, I think, was actually rated Much worse than Average! But the Toyota Tundra was either Better, or Much Better than Average.

    I've heard people complain about the styling of the Tundra, but personally, I don't mind it. However, I'm sure a Tundra would have cost a lot more than my Ram did. And while it might do better at resale time, pickups in general do tend to hold their value anyway, so I don't think I'd take too much of a bath, trading in the Ram.
  • uplanderguyuplanderguy Kent, OHPosts: 7,361
    Do you have a link, andres3? I find it very hard to believe that a Sonic has a longer powertrain warranty than a Cadillac.

    Not that there's ever been anything completely false, factually, posted about GM here before. ;)
  • greg128greg128 Posts: 330
    "pickups in general do tend to hold their value anyway"

    Yes they do. I paid $14 after rebates for the least expensive full size truck in 2006 - a 4.3L manual trans Silverado 2wd work truck. AC & CD were standard and it actually had a couple of options: rear window, heavy duty suspension and tinted glass. I think it would sell for at least $9K today which after 7 years would only average out to about $700 per year in deprciation. Of course loaded up trucks lose alot more.\

    It has been a good truck.Very reliable and actually gets a lot better mileage than some older 6 cyl F-150's we have had. The truck has the coldest AC I have ever experienced in a vehicle (probably due to the lack of back seat)
    But the manual trans is the low point. Very balky. The old 4.3 V-6 is a solid engine. We had an Astro that went 320K.
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,448
    edited August 2013
    According to the Cadillac website, the power train warranty on new models is now 70K miles, dropping from the previous 100K miles...

    "Cadillac 4-year/50,000-mile1 Bumper-to-Bumper Limited Warranty with no deductible
    Cadillac 6-year/70,000-mile1 Transferable Powertrain Limited Warranty with no deductible for 2013 models (5-years/100,000-miles1 for 2012 and older models).
    Cadillac 6-year/70,000-mile1 Roadside Assistance for 2013 models (5-years/100,000-miles1 for 2012 and older models).
    Cadillac 6-year/70,000-mile1 Courtesy Transportation for 2013 models (5-years/100,00-miles1 for 2012 and older models)"
  • busirisbusiris Posts: 3,448
    "Is a very lengthy and grandiose warranty really enough to motivate you, as a buyer, to turn a blind eye to the bad reputation of the product? "

    After my "experience" in the mid 1980's with my new Chevy S10 Blazer, I wouldn't have touched another Chevrolet product for years, even if the warranty covered 100% of every item's cost, and lasted the rest of my lifetime.

    It took me 16 years to muster the courage to try another GM product after that fiasco...
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    An F250 diesel that only gets 9 MPG is in bad condition.

    After reading about them I thought the same way until I had the chance to rent two others with the same result. With diesel at $5 and mileage so bad can't figure buying a Ford diesel anytime soon. Course I usually drive half tons anyway.
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    I can't agree more with that statement, but frankly, you have to be a sucker to even buy one in the first place. All the writing has been on the walls for years and years now.

    I'm picking up the vehicle today. Whether I make it home or trade on the way home we shall see. What's unfortunate is that there's nothing offered by the foreign makes in this size. I don't want to end up with an Armada or Sequoia.
  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 17,713
    >Not that there's ever been anything completely false, factually, posted about GM here before.

    Rofl

    This message has been approved.

  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    Looking at Fuelly.com there are 406 owners of Ford F250 Super Duty diesels. Average for the lot 1997 to 2013 is 15 MPG. Only two out of the 406 averaged 9 MPG. 5 averaged 21 MPG. scanning through I see one of the 9 MPG is actually a gasser pulling a 9800lb trailer. The year I had a Diesel Sprinter RV I never got under 20.26 MPG. According to a note in the spreadsheet that was crossing TX on Interstate 10 with heavy headwinds.

    http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/f-250%20super%20duty/diesel%20v8

    It is obvious you don't like diesels and that is fine. You can always come to San Diego CA and pay $4.89 a gallon for RUG. And $5.09 for Premium.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,346
    But, at that point it might start needing some maintenance stuff. For instance, even though it would be low mileage, after 5 years I'd think it would need a transmission flush, coolant flush, maybe new belts and hoses. And even though spark plugs last a long time nowadays, when you don't drive much they might still get fouled up.

    Unless your miles are mostly under 10 - 15 minutes one way, I don't think it will need any of those items. Plugs will be barely used. A tranny flush? No way..in fact better to stay away from tran flushing. I hear all the time that it causes more issues than it saves. It is a revenue generator for the dealership. Belts and hoses? No way, unless you happen to have gotten a bad batch of rubber. A belt maybe, ONLY if it was a faulty one from new AND had a faulty tensioner to boot. Highly unlikely. Coolant might be 10 year coolant. Check your OM. My 05 Honda came with 10 year coolant. If you think a Jiffy Lube might have at one time "topped it up" with regular coolant, then that action alone will degrade the long life coolant to regular life coolant. Put a padlock on anything with a lid if you go to Jiffy Lube type joints..but check things yourself. Pick a none humid day if you ever find you have to remove the brake fluid reservoir cap.

    I'd be more concerned with wiring connection glitches if you think you ended up with a bad truck and the stalling becomes an ongoing challenge to fix. If after 2 attempts at the same dealer without success, definitely source a new head at a different dealer. Could be a software reflash type thing. Or could be a bigger PITA, who knows. 2nd opinions with a fresh head are key to stuff like this if the same guy can't fix it.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,346
    edited August 2013
    I'm inclined to agree with you, except for two tradeoffs that would be noticeable in all but the most sedate of owners. FE would suffer, and cuz of the situp type seating, it contributes to an already higher than average CoG, so made worse by that extra 2". Even sedate drivers would pay a FE penalty though...just can't get around it.

    A solution would be an AWD model with optional grd clearance spacing, and a turbo diesel. A man can dream..
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,985
    I sort of remember being able to comfortably inch under my Voyager to change the oil. I do that in the Quest too, but I'm not able to get very far under there and it's a stretch to reach the plug.

    We did tear off the brake equalizer one trip into the boonies on the Voyager but I still think it had more GC than the Quest.

    The other irritant is the Voyager came with 14 or 15" tires (per TireRack - I don't remember what we had). Yet it still managed to clear most stuff that we drive.
  • crkyolfrtcrkyolfrt Posts: 2,346
    When I had my 89 Voyager, I used to just drive it onto 4 short pieces of 2x6. Made the difference. My CRV is the MOST annoying vehicle I have ever had to change the oil on. Its grd clearance isn't much better than the minivans, and worse, the oil filter is in never never land at the back of the engine right near where the exhaust manifold is. The oil filter was great to access on the 3.0 Mitsubishi on the 89.
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