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Lincoln MKS



  • datagendatagen Posts: 107
    I understand your pain brucelinc. I ordered mine February of last year and did not get it till that October. Don’t rush them for a quick delivery. I believe that is what happened to me and I am paying the price now. The mechanics are fine, but I notice that paint job on the inside of the doors was starting to wear much faster than it should. I took it back to the dealer and they are repainting all the doors presently. Sometimes these guys really get me.

    The guy who is in charge of the paint department came to me after viewing the defects and said he would hate to “break the paint”. I guess he thought I was an idiot. He claimed that he could fix the problem, but the color may be off. I then took him to my 2004 Taurus and showed him the inside of the doors with over 60,000 miles (which I assure you looked a whole lot better).

    I told him as a customer the paint is already broke and if that is going to be an issue, then you should consider stripping the paint and repainting the whole vehicle or provide me another new car where the paint is a non-issue. I am sure with that statement and current code painting technology, he will do just fine or else.

    Yes they do have some software issues. It took them over two hours to perform and upgrade on mine. Since the upgrade, it seems to be working much better.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,622
    Is the MKS made in the same location as the Edge/MKX (Oakville)? There were some paint problems on some of the Edges as well. I think that plant has a problem in the paint department.
  • Thanks for the words of support, Guys. I do appreciate Ford's desire to turn out a quality product with no defects.

    I ordered my LS prior to the car's introduction and got one of the first ones available. There were several TSBs issued and they even had me bring it back to have the wood trimmed steering wheel and shift knob installed because they were not available at launch. While none of this bothered me much, I am sure that some buyers were turned off by having to take their cars in for adjustments. Ford doesn't want that again.

    No one will tell me exactly what the quality issue is with the early 2010 MKSs but I have the impression that it was related to the ecoboost engine management system. First I was told it was an easy reflash and now they say it requires an updated part. They are really vague about it - I am sure they do not want a headline such as "Ecoboost engines have quality problems!" As much testing that has been done on this engine, I am confident that the issue is relatively minor.

    I thought the MKS and Taurus were built in the same plant. Our 2008 Taurus has a great paint job but it is oxford white and they have had that color almost since the model T went out of production so they should know how to apply that. I know I will go over my MKS with a fine tooth comb when it finally arrives.
  • The MKS is made in chicago. I ordered mine in November of last and it did not get to the dearler until the end of February. I never did get an explanation as to what took so long for the car to get to the dearler. I was told that my car sat on the shipping yard for weeks prior to delivery. My car had a build date of 1/14/09. It arrived at the dealer on 1/27/09. I hope you enjoy you new car.
  • ak103ak103 Posts: 11
    Local dealer has one close to what your ordered, but of course not exactly what you ordered.

  • Thanks! Yes, that is close to what I ordered. There are some out there.

    This morning we found a couple of cars in the Detroit area that would work nicely for me - right colors and equipment. Detroit is less than 600 miles from Minneapolis so my dealer is in the process of pursuing one of them now. Hopefully, one of the dealers out there will work with my dealer and we can make some progress.
  • MKS gets to 60 in 5 seconds flat and 1/4 in 13.6 @104mph.Impressive for a 4,400 lbs car.
  • Yes, that is flat amazing. I have driven a couple of them and they sure don't feel that fast. Of course, I didn't flog an unbroken-in car really hard and they probably loosen up some after more miles. The feel is somewhat like taking off in a commercial jet. You don't really have a feel of speed but in a few seconds it lifts off the runway.

    My dealer tried to obtain a couple of cars for me out of Detroit but both were already sold. The better news is that they just emailed me a tracking sheet. The car I ordered left Chicago yesterday and is on a railcar somewhere between there and Minneapolis. It might even be here by now - I don't know if the train makes many stops along the way or not. Anyway, things are looking up - unless it falls off the railcar somewhere in transit.
  • After a long wait, I finally took delivery of my red candy/camel MKS ecoboost on Saturday.

    I have never had sync or nav and the manual was a bit daunting but I have found the systems to be very user friendly. The sales manager at my dealership spent about an hour with me going over everything including pairing my cell phone and walking me through the capabilities. Kudos to North Country Ford in [non-permissible content removed] Rapids, MN. After playing around with these systems this weekend, I am now completely comfortable with the technology, although there are capabilities that I will likely not use much.

    The ecoboost engine is a jewel. The power is strong and deceptive. The engine is very smooth and quiet - when driven normally, you hardly know it is running. When pressed, the speedometer needle shoots up the dial and there is a growl but still much quieter than my wife's Taurus with the 3.5. Another thing that I like is the extremely quiet cabin. Wind noise is non-existent and you do not hear other traffic. They have done a good job with sound deadening. Did I mention that the power was strong? Oh, yeah!

    I think the MKS is a bit under-rated by some of the press and by many buyers who haven't driven one. The Lincoln name has no prestige at this point. The MKS will not handle like a BMW. It is not as whipped cream soft as a Lexus LS. The looks are not for everyone. Some will say the price is too high considering it shares a platform with the Taurus. While all that may be true, this car is a pretty striking combination of luxury, comfort, performance and technology.

    Some cars do a few things extremely well and sacrifice other things. The MKS does a lot of things pretty dam* well.
  • datagendatagen Posts: 107
    Congratulation brucelinc, I know you waited a long time and I hope you enjoy it. That red will get you noticed like you would not believe. The dealer did the same (Nav instruction and syncing of the phone) for me and after a few reviews I had it down pack. With my wife having the new MKZ, our phone will sync no matter what car we decide to drive. The controls are very similar so she won't have to worry about that. She is a little intimidated by the high shoulders of the MKS so she sticks close to the Z, me I drive either one I want.

    I do not know if they told you this, but another slick feature is the trunk unlock button. If you have the key fob on you there is a hidden button right up under the lip near the rear camera. Just press it and the trunk pops open. From what I understand the dealers were trained on service and support for the new Lincolns. It shows as my paint situation has been taken care of to my satisfaction greatly.

    Do you plan on using 87 octane or premium in yours since you have the ecoboost? You seem to be the kind of person who likes to really move. I was wondering if you could give a report from time to time of the octane difference you experience if you switch around.

    Again congrats and be careful out there. With that red, the PoPo will be looking for ya. Don't worry I won't tell. :shades:
  • Congrats on the MKS! Nice to hear you had a good purchase experience also. Be sure to post a dealer review! I'm sure they would appreciate it.

    Karen-Edmunds Community Manager

  • Thanks, Datagen. I read about that trunk release in the manual but I haven't tried it. I might just leave the key fob in the car all of the time and use the keypad, anyway. I am not sure yet which method of locking/unlocking works best for me.

    I am accustomed to using premium or at least mid-grade in my LS so I will probably continue that. It was full when I picked it up and I don't know what they put in it. I will try both 87 and 91 and see if I can tell the difference.

    Cops shouldn't pay attention to a balding guy in a Lincoln, should they? ;)
  • toomanyfumestoomanyfumes S.E. Wisconsin Posts: 892
    Congrats to both of you on your new MKS's. I think they're really sharp cars, keep us updated!
  • Datagen, how do you like the adaptive headlights/auto high beams?

    I knew they were there but didn't give them much thought until early this morning when I drove the car in the dark for the first time. Starting up in the garage, they came on and scanned left to right against the garage wall to show me that they were working. Driving on a winding 2-lane to work (where deer are plentiful) I really enjoyed the way they swivel with the turns. The auto high beams came on where there was no traffic and instantly dimmed when approaching other cars headlights or taillights. Pretty cool. I know these are not new features but they are new to me and the technology has improved since they were first introduced.

    I probably sound like a kid in a candy store but everytime I drive this crazy thing, I find some little feature that makes me say, "Wow!" I am not sure if the 2009s had ambient lighting and lighted door sills or not but that is pretty nice too.

    Have I mentioned lately that the twin-turbo engine has plenty of power? :)
  • datagendatagen Posts: 107
    Yes the adaptive headlight and auto high beam are great. I live in an area of deer as well and it is very handy. Be careful in the future if you decide to have your windows professionally tinted. We had to make a small hole in the tint so the sensor could still function properly.

    You are right the 2009 do not have the ambient lighting. You can get a kit through the dealership but it is not the same. It is in my 2010 MKZ and it is sweet. That MKZ can fly and I see a ticket in the future, so I better start squirreling away now. It will be less of impact when it happens.

    I am glad to hear your enjoyment and discoveries. I believe many whom went another way missed out on a quality vehicle. What size wheels do you have? Have you notice the attention people have toward the car? The styling and red color commands attention. The braking system is awesome as well. Keep those ecoboost comments up and you are going to make me go out and get a fully loaded Taurus. :shades:
  • I drove several MKSs with the different wheel/tire options. I liked the ride and quiet of the 18s best. The 20" Michelins are quiet, too, but our many of our Minneapolis streets are horrible and the 20s were a bit firm for me - they include a firmer shock package. The ecoboost and/or ultimate package comes with the 19 inch wheels but my dealer swapped me the 18s off another MKS. If I lived in an area with smoother streets, I would have gone for the 20s.

    Only a speed-freak or a power hungry hooligan would ever need to use wide open throttle with the ecoboost engine. If he/she does use WOT, it probably would not be for more than a very few seconds. The thing that appeals to me is the ease and lack of drama in which it accelerates quickly at part throttle. It pulls way more strongly at 1500 RPM than my LS did at 4000. The result is quick acceleration at part throttle with limited downshifts and hardly any noise.

    It is too soon to tell about gas mileage but on my regular commute for just the past 3 days, my computer is showing 21.3. Under similar conditions, my LS was usually around 20 - 20.5. My wife's Taurus does about 22.8 when I commute with it. My round-trip commute is about 36 miles - part 2 lane county road, part busy freeway, and some downtown stop & go. I hope to take road trip soon so I can see what it does under ideal conditions.
  • datagendatagen Posts: 107
    That is some nice info to know. It was also good to know that we in Michigan are not the only ones who have bad roads. They are so bad here that they have taken up the European approach to fixing them to a point. They work on them at night and weekends like they do in Europe, but where Europe actually replaces a whole section, here they just patch it. It affects many things (wear and tear, mileage, etc). I am not getting that good of mileage. Mine is AWD and the best I seen it produce is 19.9. My Taurus kicks out 20-21 and the Z is right now at 18.9 – 19.5. I believe your ecoboost MKS is AWD as well right?

    My commute is 13-15 miles one way and my driving habits needs work. I have passed my boss up so fast once that when he got to see me at work, he told me that he was impress and did not think a Taurus could even do those speeds. Due to some road conditions, I choose my routes base upon what I am driving. I have the 20” and at first the ride was rough, but they seemed to have adapted and have really smooth out much to my surprise.

    I have notice better results when I travel down to Ohio (way better roads) and a few other areas. Here we drive like our [non-permissible content removed] is on fire. You have to or your [non-permissible content removed] will get run over. That is interesting the amount of power you get at 1500 RPM’s. A friend of mine told me the other day that he saw a sad sight of a new SHO Taurus in the right lane doing 55mph. Now I guess that tells you the mentality here. :D
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 814
    Datagen, I have a couple of questions for you.

    When you start your car, does it greet you with a verbal "good morning" or "good afternoon?" I would swear that I drove an MKS a few months ago that did that. Mine does not and it is not a big deal but I am curious if there is a setting for that. I have read all the manuals from stem to stern and can't find anything about it!

    Second question: When I change the media to jukebox, it begins playing the last song that I was listening to prior to switching to another form of media. Is that normal? I thought that if I left the jukebox and listened to FM or Sirius for awhile (or turned the audio off) and then returned to the jukebox later, it would not play anything at all unless I pressed the song title or gave it a verbal command. Again, this is not a big deal but I was wondering if yours works the same way.

    Thanks in advance for clearing up these little mysteries for me.
  • datagendatagen Posts: 107
    Well to answer you first question, I only get a short musical greeting while things are powering up. That voice greeting is new to me and like you cannot find this anywhere.

    My jukebox has always picked up where it was when I switch to another mode or turn the vehicle off. This is voice greeting is interesting. I know a person who has a brand new Taurus, let me check with them on that voice greeting.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 814
    Thanks, Datagen. Now I know my jukebox is behaving properly. It makes sense. If you go from CD to another form of media and back to CD, it picks up where it left off. The jukebox works the same way.

    As for the audible greeting, I think it might have been a pre-production MKS that I played around with at a launch event over a year ago. There was some discussion about it on Blue Oval News and someone thought that theirs stopped greeting them after they paired their phone. Not sure what that would have to do with it.

    You are right about the red color attracting attention. This morning at a SuperAmerica station, a total stranger remarked that it was a beautiful car. Oh, by the way, not sure if I mentioned it or not but the Ecoboost engine makes the MKS a rocket. :D
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