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Lincoln MKS

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  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Sounds good !!!! :shades:

    -Rocky
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,623
    It's not that they didn't want a new RWD platform - but under the old regime they couldn't get the funding necessary to do it. So they made do with the only viable full size platform that was available and went with AWD as a differentiator.
  • jeyhoejeyhoe Posts: 490
    What you've said here, that Mercury exists only to give Lincoln dealers volume sales, is 180 out from what Mark Fields recently said which is that Lincoln is now the volume brand at the LM dealers.

    Merury has NO reason to exist. For a great article expressing this opinion, go here: http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/editorials/ford-death-watch-40-mercury-rip/

    One of the more interesting points made in there is that every time Mercury had a product well-differentiated from Ford and Lincoln, the mother company ignored it to death. This is EXACTLY what they did to the LS.

    Past is prologue with Ford. Mercury, unfortunately, probalbly wont see 2010. As a LONG time fan, I will miss it, but in the condition it's in now, let's just put it out of it's misery. Anyone for a Lincon-Mazda dealership?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,623
    What you've said here, that Mercury exists only to give Lincoln dealers volume sales, is 180 out from what Mark Fields recently said which is that Lincoln is now the volume brand at the LM dealers.

    Wrong. I was talking about the present and Fields is talking about the future. Lincoln needs the MKS and MKT (Lincoln version of the Flex) before it will have enough volume to dump Mercury. Right now, today, they still need the Mercury vehicles.

    They're also working to combine the Ford and Lincoln/Mercury dealers and if that happens the Mercury won't be needed for volume and can either be ditched or (my preference) given unique, niche vehicles like a roadster, convertibles, Cougar, etc.

    As for thetruthaboutcars - they're idiots.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 814
    bruce, is this you?:

    "Jim Farley, Ford’s new head of marketing, says MKS customers want dynamic steering, feel, and braking but are not necessarily performance seekers."


    Uhh......NO, it is not. Farley needs to take his Toyota hat off. This sounds like an excuse for introducing the MKS with just a 270 HP V6. Or, maybe there is more to the story. Maybe someone asked him, "Will the MKS compete with high performance sports sedans like the Cadillac CTS-V?" In that case, his answer might be OK.

    The Ecoboost version can't get here soon enough.
  • jeyhoejeyhoe Posts: 490
    :) Nah, didn't tink so!

    I've looked closely at the MKS on the Lincoln site and I do really like the exterior. I've noticed the site doesn't give one much of a look at the inside. Also the exterior color choices are quite nice.

    I can honestly say that, if my financial situation allows it in the near future, I would consider replacing my LS with a twin turbo AWD version of this car. Course that would be subject to the handling and ride etc of the 'Performace S" Maybe the MKS-GT? :) And how the interior looks and feels close up. Also though it would depend big time on the price and I've got a feeling the S-GT will cost over $50,000 thus priced out of my ballpark.

    Back to Mercury for a second - I learned yesterday that the Prius alone outsold ALL Mercury vehicles combined last year.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 814
    The best view of the interior is in the "build and price" section. You can enlarge the view and change the color.

    The base price of the AWD is $39,105. I could be all wrong about the Ecoboost pricing but I find it hard to believe that they would put a $10,000 premium on it. The whole point was to provide power of a V8 with FE of a V6 and that it be affordable. This is supposed to be techology that trickles down to many Ford models over the next few years.

    Jeyhoe, I think you and I should be the first two on this board to own MKSs!! I can tell that you are warming up to the idea!
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,419
    Being quite jetlagged here (and normally dumb and slow as well), I am wondering how to start an MKT discussion...now that the photos are out? (It sure doesn't look like a Flex!)
  • jeyhoejeyhoe Posts: 490
    "Jeyhoe, I think you and I should be the first two on this board to own MKSs!! I can tell that you are warming up to the idea!"
    :)
    Well, you'll have to settle for just you, unless someone has a briefcase full of $$$s for me, I wont be buying any $40K or $50K cars for quite a while. Only way? If I could double the mpg of the LS and keep the ride etc. Same for my Navigator. Otherwise I'd be making car payments AND $4.00 gallon gas. Cant do it.

    Besides, I really dont think I'd get one without the more powerful engine. As it is, it's got 5 more hp than your 500, but it's gotta be eating that power up in added weight so I wonder if it'll even keep up with the Ford?

    As for price of ecoboost, I'll bet akirby knows but he aint tellin apparently. We could guess at it since Ford says it'll "pay for itself in 2.5 years where hybrid takes 12 years" If we say hybrids increase mileage by appx %, using Escape as the example ... could be done. I need another cup of Joe before I go further :blush:

    One last thing - I would certainly cross-shop the AWD MKS-GT against the CTS (304hp w/6-speed manual - $33,000 starting) and wife would force Infiniti into the drive-off so on price alone, I think the S would be at a severe disadvantage.
  • jeyhoejeyhoe Posts: 490
    Hey - I tried to figure out the same thing Saturday for a different purpose - a discussion of the future, if any, of Mercury. I couldnt figure it out either. - WAIT -there it is, right at the top part of this page, right under big orange "Reply to this message" is a link says "Click here to start a new thread..." I'll give it a shot.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,419
    Thanks. Knew I could count on you. Plus the sarcasm is always an added bonus!
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,623
    I don't know why I should know the price - don't have a clue other than the reference you mentioned. I think the 2.5 yr payback was based on the I4 Ecoboost getting 5mpg better than a similar powered V6, but I don't remember for sure. I'm guessing it's around $750.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 814
    Besides, I really dont think I'd get one without the more powerful engine. As it is, it's got 5 more hp than your 500, but it's gotta be eating that power up in added weight so I wonder if it'll even keep up with the Ford?

    I might wait for the Ecoboost. I would much prefer it unless they bundle it with an overly harsh suspension or other things that detract from it's "luxury." The price will play a role, too.

    As for the base V6, yes, the power to weight ratio and torque to weight ratio favors the Taurus over the MKS. Maybe the power curves are such that the 3.7 will have quite a bit more power at lower RPM than the 3.5. If that is the case, the MKS might be quicker on the low end than a Taurus. The Taurus 3.5 is quite a bit quicker than my early LS, though. The extra gear is probably as helpful as the extra HP in that comparison.
  • jeyhoejeyhoe Posts: 490
    gregg - you were able to start a new thread based on my message, but I cannot start a new thread. Somebody at Edmunds don like me?

    akirby - I dunno, you do seem to know more than the average bear about what's happening inside Ford. But $750 for the ecoBoost engine in the mks? Surely you jest?
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,623
    I know some current and former engineers and read other forums with insider info - nothing more than that. And none of those people know anything about prices.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 814
    I originally guessed $1000 extra for the engine. Add to that the AWD which will likely come with it - $1,875. Toss in another $1000 for upgraded suspension/tires/wheels. That will put the MSRP around $42,500 before adding options.

    If I can get my manager to agree to $45,000 plus tax, title, and license, will you buy the car today? ;)
  • circlewcirclew Posts: 8,262
    I'd go for the 335xi if I were him!

    Regards,
    OW
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 814
    I don't know Jeyhoe personally but I have him pictured as a big strapping body-builder type. He wouldn't fit in a little bitty compact car. :)
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Yep !!! ;)

    -Rocky
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 814
    Sorry, Rocky, but this price doesn't apply to you. I know how you like gadgets and doo-dads! We'll load up an MKS Ecoboost with everything for you and it will come in around $50,000!

    Seriously, as I said earlier, if they can offer a well-equipped MKS with the Ecoboost for under 50 big ones, they have nothing to apologize for. It has taken forever but it could help put Lincoln back on the radar screen.
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