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Toyota Camry Hybrid

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It's already the best-selling sedan in America, so Toyota's primary goal for the all-new, 2007 Camry was to not mess it up. Of course the carmaker didn't, and in fact it looks to be the best Camry yet. Available in four trims that range from the value-priced CE, midgrade LE, sporty SE and to the top-of-the-line XLE, a fifth model joins the lineup for 2007 — Toyota's first Camry Hybrid.

2007 Camry Hybrid at the Detroit Show

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  • pushanpushan Posts: 15
    I saw the pictures of the 2007 Camry SE and hybrid. Looks very impressive. It seems the pricing will be available just before the delivery. Hope the price is not increased.

    I am in waiting list for my Prius to come, but looks like I will have more choices available soon.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    I just placed an order today for a Toyota Camry hybird at a Toronto dealership. I was told I was the first one to put down a deposit and should expect to get my Camry sometime in May or June.

    At least I will have my foot at the door in case there are long waiting lists. If I find the MSRP pricey then I will cancel my order right away.

    A hybrid will be a new experience for me since I am used to owning German performance cars. It is kind of nice to have a performance car and a hybrid car since I believe both types of cars cater to different sides of your brain.

    Ofcourse the hybrid Camry will cater to neither side of my brain if I find the price too high. Only time will tell!
  • I heard about the Camry Hybrid announcement on Thursday and yesterday, January 15, I put a deposit on one (no. 3 in line). I am hoping that it comes with a v6 but it sounds like only a 4 cylinder. I don't know if I would be happy without my 6. I am currently driving my 95 2 door v6, original owner with 156K miles on it. I am also hoping the Camry Hybrid comes well equipped with heated seats, mirrors and hopefully a memory driver seat. I had been planning a ES330 for my new commuter car but I am willing to wait and see how the Camry comes off the line. Figure I can always sell it for what I paid for it if I don't like it.
  • The future is here ! Midsize with performance (Better than Hybrid Civic and Prius ). 6 cyl. would be nice but the press releases say 4 . Would like a six like the Hybrid Accord that could shut down 3 of the cylinders at hiway speeds . However , I'll take the better city milage of the hcamry toyota synergy drive over Honda Accord . Our HHighlander is a blast . I'm surprised this Camry is'nt getting more buzz here . QUESTION- Are the '07 HCamry's coming over from Japan ? I'd be surprised if they ratcheted up production that fast in Tn. Adapt Early !
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Toyota's First North American Hybrid Production Will be in Georgetown, Kentucky
    Production of Camry Hybrid to Start in Late 2006


    If the above is true then the hybrid Camrys available mid year will be made in Japan. Later this year they will be made in USA.

    link title
  • Look at the blurb on Edmunds site, from the 2006 Detroit Auto Show:

    http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/AutoshowArticles/articleId=108838

    It shows a picture. The 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid uses an electric motor along with a 2.4-liter, four-cylinder engine. It offers 192 horsepower (as much as the current 3.0-liter V6 model), and can accelerate from zero to 60 in less than 9 seconds. It also delivers 43 city/37 highway mpg.

    Cheers,

    MidCow
  • JBaumgartJBaumgart Posts: 890
    If those stats prove to be accurate, and assuming gas prices continue to rise in the next couple of years, this car is going to be a HUGE hit for Toyota. It appears to offer a near-perfect blend of style, room, performance and economy, and therefore it will have strong appeal to many families.

    I've been following the RAV4 thread, but the hybrid option for the Camry has gotten my attention. Too bad Toyota decided to not offer it in the RAV4.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Some posters emphasize performance on the Camry

    If I wanted performance I certainly would not be buying a Camry in the first place. A performance Camry is a oxymoron.

    The reason I ordered a hybrid Camry can best be described by the following words in the NY Times artilce linked below:

    It's the sheer delight of owning the latest high-tech advancement."

    HYBRID CAMRY
  • Dewey said:

    "Some posters emphasize performance on the Camry

    If I wanted performance I certainly would not be buying a Camry in the first place. A performance Camry is a oxymoron."

    This perfomance of the Camry is good about what the current V6 is maybe a little worse. It is definitely a consideration for most car drivers.

    The performance Oxymoron is the Prius. The only car in the the entire Toyota line that is slower including the SUVs was the automatic Echo. At 0-60 in 11.5 seconds with a Prius you almost watch paint dry or grass grow faster.

    At 0-60 in less than nine seconds thae Camry has the equivalent perfomance of other non-hybrid sedans and you will not have to worry about getting run over entering an expressway.

    YOMV,

    MidCow
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Ok as long as a hybrid Camry goes faster than a Prius and my bicycle I will be content!

    My satisfaction with a hybrid Camry will be based on how its mileage will compare to EPA estimates(unlikely to be identical but hopefuly not way off). Especially since most my driving is city driving (EPA city = 43 mpg). But my main attraction is the HSD technology itself!
  • ej0ej0 Posts: 12
    A performance Camry is a oxymoron.

    I disagree. I own a 97 Camry LE V6 and it is very fast and a lot of fun to drive. After I put on some sports tires the cornering is also very good. I expect the new Camry Hybrid to be equally fast.
    The new sports version Camry SE V6 should really be a blast and worthy of any sporty driver (short of a BMW M3 that costs twice as much!). But of course it's not good for your wallet at the pump.
  • ej0ej0 Posts: 12
    The pricing for the new Camry has not been announced.
    It's a fun game to try to guess the new pricing table for the 2007 Toyota Camry.
    I assume that: 1. the new prices are the same as the old prices; 2. the hybrid trim level (apart from the hybrid engine) is halfway between the LE and XLE trim level; 3. the additional price of the hybrid engine over the 4 cylinder version is $2750.
    That would give a price for the 2007 Toyota Camry hybrid of $24325 MSRP (without destination charge and options).
    This would be a nice value price and position Toyota well against the competition.
  • LOL,

    When the only tool a person has in his tool box is a hammer, all problems look like nails.

    A Camry is a very nice car, but it is not sporty!

    Double Sixes,

    MidCow
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > Some posters emphasize performance on the Camry

    Their goal is to convince you that the definition of "performance" does not include emissions or consumption. Because when you look at what they are driving, those aspects are not anything to be proud of. In fact, their pollution & waste is down right embarrassing.

    Just look at the 0-60 acceleration speeds. Every few years, the acceptable rate changes... despite the fact that road conditions haven't. What has happened is the ceiling was exceeded awhile ago, but they had no other benefit to sell you... so they kept changing the acceleration even though an improvement was completely unnecessary.

    Reducing smog-related emissions is an aspect performance.

    Reducing fuel consumption is an aspect performance.


    Don't let the antagonists persuade you to believe they aren't.

    JOHN
  • ROTFLMA,

    I have never ever seen a more flimsy way to justify a slow car. So now performance includes emission and consumption.

    Well all I can say the Camry's is like a NASCAR compared to a Prius. The acceptable rate of 0-60 mph for the past 20 or so years is in the 8-9 second range. Some cars, even SUVs are now a second or so faster, but the acceptable range is still in the 8-9 second range. The new 2007 hybrid Camry will meet this requirement. The Prius at 10.5-11.3 seconds does not meet the 0-60 acceleration rate averages that have been established for nearly two decades. To try and bring in polution and gas mileage as an excuse for poor perfromance is ludicrious.

    Cheers,

    MidCow
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    I cant wait to have the car below parked on my driveway, hopefully by late spring. The link below provides more riveting details about the hybrid Camry

    CAMRY HYBRID NEWS

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  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > So now performance includes emission and consumption.

    It always has. All aspects of how a vehicle performs is what makes up its "performance". You cannot choose which ones to include and which ones to disregard... as you are attempting to do.

    So what exactly is your definition? Based on your previous response, it appears as though acceleration alone is the only feature of performance.

    JOHN
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    > To try and bring in polution and gas mileage

    Ignoring them is denial, and most definitely not objective.

    JOHN
  • Okay John,

    Cars have gears and transmissions not power transports and power split devices.

    Performance basic 101 metrics:

    0-60 mph time in seconds
    5-60 mph time in seconds ( rolling start more realistic)
    50-70 mph (passing time) in seconds
    0-1/4 mile time in seconds and end speed in mph.
    Saloom time in seconds
    Braking time in distance for ( 60mph, 70mph, 80mph)

    Performance does not include pink foofoos, green content or mpg. And the Toyota poster child of HSD ( the Prius) is not a performance car!

    However, Toyota has gained some wisdom and the 2007 Camry Hybrid will actually perform at a reasonable, acceptable level of 0-60 mph in less than 9 seconds. Why doing so it obtains very good mileage ( not a perfromance characteristic) of 43/37. What does that mean and where will the buyers for the 2007 Camry Hybrid come from? Well for one they will take away almost all of the potential Prius customers, except the hypermilers and grandmothers. Other people looking for reasonable performance and reasonable mileage will choose the 2007 Camry Hybrid.

    Again I will repeat "polution" and "gas mileage" are not metrics that have anything to do with a car's acceleration performance, stopping ability or handling.

    Double Sixes,

    MidCow

    P.S.- It kinda makes you sad to see Toyota kill it's own Prius golden goose with a better mousetrap- 2007 Camry Hybrid.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    The Prius will still sell in good numbers to people who fall into any of these groups:

    1. Like the design.
    2. Like to show off their "green-ness"
    3. Need a 50+ MPG 5-passenger car.
    4. Like the idea of doing something environmentally kind.
    5. Have owned prior Prius cars.
    6. Do not know that the Camry has a hybrid version.
    7. Do not like the blandness of the Camry design.

    So the Prius will still be a success.

    But remember: Prius translated from it's source language means "First to come" or something like that. So regardless if it ever stops being sold, it was first and was the trailblazer.
  • ej0ej0 Posts: 12
    LOL,

    When the only tool a person has in his tool box is a hammer, all problems look like nails.

    A Camry is a very nice car, but it is not sporty!

    Double Sixes,

    MidCow


    Still, as it is, my wife keeps telling me to slow down. So, at least for some people, a Camry can be too sporty! :) I'd better stay away from that BMW M3.
  • jrock65jrock65 Posts: 1,371
    Plus, the Prius will be cheaper. The Prius starts at $22,300. I bet the Camry hybrid will start between $26,000 and $27,000.

    Also, the Prius has an HID option, which is not available on the Camry hybrid.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Here is 07 Camary video footage from the Detroit Auto show.
    Go to the lower right side of the page:

    07 Camry video
  • otis1otis1 Posts: 142
    I wonder how many TCH's will end up on ebay by flippers trying to make a buck.

    anyway I agree with midcow, I think the CH will canabalize prius sales. larsb is correct that people will choose a prius over a CH for the reasons he's listed, but MOST of those people already bought their prius. Don't get me wrong, the prius will still sell well, but we're not going to see the previous strong year to year growth in sales #'s for the prius. ( I bet next year (2007), prius sales will go DOWN- I would have said this year, but the tax credit will give the prius an artificial bump in sales this year that the camry won't benifit from)
  • lanceqlanceq Posts: 16
    Are you saying that the Camry Hybird will not benefit from the 2006 tax credit?

    Thanks
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    We are yet to know if the IRS will add the 2007 TCH to the list of 2006 tax credit hybrid vehicles.

    They DID DO SO with the HAH and the FEH in mid-year, so they will probably add the TCH also, based on what they have done in the past.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    We are yet to know if the IRS will add the 2007 TCH to the list of 2006 tax credit hybrid vehicles.

    They DID DO SO with the HAH and the FEH in mid-year, so they will probably add the TCH also, based on what they have done in the past.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,891
    I would guess it would make the list. Just quicker to 60k and the lower tax break. If Toyota sells 60k hybrids in the first quarter, the tax break will be cut for the second quarter. I would not spend that money till your tax man deducts it.
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    based on last year's sales, even adding a big boost for 2006, it's very unlikely Toyota will sell 60K hybrids in the first quarter of 2006. They only averaged 37,500 hybrids sold per quarter in 2005.

    More likely, even with a bump because of rising gas prices, they will hit 60K sometime LATE in the second quarter.

    PS
    In a related topic, it will be VERY interesting to see how Toyota hybrid sales fare AFTER the 60K is gone and the tax credit is no longer an incentive for 2006 buyers. Will they tank? Will they taper off? Will people even care or know that the tax breaks are over? Interesting discussion fodder.... :shades:
  • larsblarsb Posts: 8,204
    quote gagrice-"I would not spend that money till your tax man deducts it."-end quote

    Which is good advice for ANY tax deduction, not merely hybrid vehicle purchases.
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