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Toyota Camry Hybrid

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  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    Toyota/Lexus hasn't exceeded 60,000 hybrid sales this year yet, but will easily do that by the end of second quarter (June 30).

    So figuring out whether you get the 100% or 50% tax credit is rather trivial. A purchase after July 1 will be 50%. Before, you still get the full 100%.

    JOHN
  • My wife wants to get a hybrid too, but not in hurry (her 97 Camry is still running smoothly). Hope the price will settle down a bit by then.

    Accord Hyrid? In my opinion, not worth the money compared with Camry XLE v6 with better performace. Camry SE v6 got 26.3mpg from recent R&T test.
  • Ocala, FL dealership told me 90 days after the first non-hybrid camry appears, which would is June according to them. But sometimes I wonder how much they really know - case in point: they seemed incredulous that I knew the MSRP for the TCH before they did.

    I still think the first TCHs will appear in May, but then again I'm #2 on a waiting list that has 16 people on it so far....with each of us putting $1000 down. [And if predictions are correct with 2-3 TCHs per month per dealer that would put the last folks on the waiting list into the end of '06.]

    BTW the Ocala FL dealership (DeLuca Toyota) has a policy to charge, at most, MSRP. No added premium that other dealerships are adding. So maybe that's why the waiting list is so long.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Based on some of the prior posts I am amazed at how unprofessional and obnoxious Toyota sales reps are.

    Here in Toronto I am dealing with a sales rep who can order a hyrbid Camry today at MSRP and have it deliverd by May.

    No problemo. No excuses. In otherwords no dealing with money-grubbing sales reps in my case.

    During 1998 I wanted to buy a VW Beetle TDI when it was very hot. A sales rep told me I had to wait 6 to 8 months for delivery and I had to order big $$$ of options to make the order worthwhile. I walked away and phoned the VW dealer himself and I had reported the incident. The dealer apologized profusely and told me that I can have a Beetle TDI(no options) delivered within 2 to 3 months.

    I dont know how Toyota deals with such incidences but I was impressed with how the VW dealer dealt with my problem.

    I still cant believe that in Canada the base MSRP Camry hybrid= MSRP Prius. That to me is compelling value. I just may order one despite my prior complaints.
  • grandtotalgrandtotal Posts: 1,207
    I still cant believe that in Canada the base MSRP Camry hybrid= MSRP Prius. That to me is compelling value.

    Prius is overpriced in Canada. If Toyota Canada continue selling Prius in Canada there will have to be an adjustment. That adjustment may not be in price it may be in standard equipment.
  • jtdpxjtdpx Posts: 19
    John 1701a, you said, "So figuring out whether you get the 100% or 50% tax credit is rather trivial. A purchase after July 1 will be 50%. Before, you still get the full 100%."

    With all due respect, I believe you are wrong. People who buy in the quarter AFTER the 60,000 is reached will still get 100% of the tax rebate. Therefore, if 60,000 is reached by June, the full tax rebate will still be good through September 30, 2006. This has been stated numerous times to this effect on various web sites.
  • jtdpxjtdpx Posts: 19
    Dear "gtoskyline:"

    You stated in Post 551 the following from Road & Track:"
    "Pacific coast highway: 46.5mpg
    Rush hours: 32.3mpg
    Mountaineeing/high-speed fwy: 38.3mpg

    BTW,
    0-60mph 7.3s
    1/4mile 15.6s"

    Where did you get that information? The current edition of Road & Track does not have it, nor does, I believe, the previous edition. Thanks!
  • jtdpxjtdpx Posts: 19
    Thank you very much for your R&T reference! Good news for Camry Hybrid buyers!
  • john1701ajohn1701a Posts: 1,897
    Yes, the AFTER should be correct. Sorry, I was so focused on the count that the percentage rule itself slipped my mind.

    Toyota/Lexus counts will be easy to determine. Ford/Mercury will be a much tougher call. Honda has always been wishing-washing about sharing exact counts, so who knows with them. GM should be interesting, especially with the monster PR muscle the often flex.

    JOHN
  • gandyfiregandyfire Posts: 36
    That is one of the dealerships that told me late summer or September. Also, the young kid salesman (about 20) had no clue about the tax credit. I did manage to end up #3 on the list at a dealer a few miles southeast of there who assured me I would be able to take possession sometime in the third quarter, also at MSRP.

    Seems like the dealers that are charging a premium are in the bigger cities. One in Tampa had a LE4 marked up $2000!!
  • Ocala left me with a good feeling back on 2/17, otherwise I wouldn't have put my cash down.

    Salesman had just been to some kind of class on the TCH, and said then that it would be here in June. And he seemed the methodical and conservative type, so maybe that's worst case scenario. But I'm hoping for May, at this point don't care what color, but do want it loaded.

    And I'd like a set of SE rims on it.

    Can't wait!! ;)
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    We will have our first TCH in our allocation at the end of this month.. for delivery in May.

    May is the correct timeframe for dealers normally selling hybrids. Surcharges are entirely possible in certain markets. It's definitely a local phenomenon.
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Rather than cross-posting, you might look at post #3097 in the Diesel vs Hybrid Forum.

    The question was posed about the 'hybrid premium' on the new TCH.
  • So Spyder, my salesman said that his (and I assume any) dealership knows about 30 days before a vehicle arrives from Japan what the details are (i.e. color, options, etc.) from some kind of query report....

    So theoretically he should know something this month about impending TCHs? Now that would be a nice surprise....
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    Theoretically yes. But it's controlled by the regional office, in your case SET in our case CAT. It's the regional office that assigns the vehicles and tries to fill any 'preferences' as best they can. Until it actually hits the inventory it's still up in the air at least in CAT.

    What he said is correct since the inventory and allocated vehicles are about 30 days out, maybe a little more.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Prius is overpriced in Canada. If Toyota Canada continue selling Prius in Canada there will have to be an adjustment. That adjustment may not be in price it may be in standard equipment.

    Yes the Prius is over-priced and the hybrid Camry is under-priced. There are very few Japanese or European cars with a Canadian MSRP premium over the US MSRP that is under 23 percent.

    The hybrid Camry is definitely compelling value in Canada independent of what the Canadian Prius price is.
  • deweydewey Posts: 5,243
    Surcharges are entirely possible in certain markets. It's definitely a local phenomenon.

    So what you are saying is that money grubbing among local Toyota dealers is tolerated by Toyota USA? What does that say about Toyota USA?

    I know when VW introduced the Beetle in 1998 and there were long waiting lists their policy was NO SURCHARGES! And VW dealers and reps were accountable if they broke that policy. Is there no such accountability at Toyota USA??

    I have been on long waiting lists for every car I bought so far and I have never paid surcharges.( every model I buy tends to be hot seller). I guess that reflects my good taste in cars. ;)
  • kdhspyderkdhspyder Posts: 7,160
    It's very clear. The auto makers intentionally have no control whatsoever over what happens at the local retail level. They are not retail sellers, they are auto manufacturers. A retailer can sell at a profit, at a loss or breakeven... it's of no concern to the manufacturer. They are separate businesses.

    In the recent past there have been sometimes huge ADM's on..
    -the new Corvette now there is a $25000 ADM on it;
    -Solstice, Sky
    -PT Cruiser in the Past
    -SSR ( foolish )
    -the new Mustangs
    -the Gen2 Prius' in SoCal

    It's only a way to balance out the supply and the demand. Often the ADM or addendum is specifically the way the dealer indicates that he doesn't want to sell the item.

    An example, a store will get one TCH a month ( likely scenario ) until full production kicks in later in the year. He knows now that people are asking about it and want to drive one. The first comes in and a buyer says, 'Great, I'll take it today' and drives it away. All the others come in a little later that day and ask 'Where's the TCH?' .. 'Gone..come back next month - but be first.'

    ADM's on new models often are just a way to keep a vehicle on the lot in the beginning to allow the greatest number of people to see it. Now if someone says 'Screw it I will pay $25000 over sticker, I just want it.' Oh well.

    Then there are other deeper legal/commercial issues to consider if the manufacturers got involved at the local level.
  • gagricegagrice San DiegoPosts: 28,680
    A vehicle with an ADM will never darken my driveway. If the dealer is worried about having a new model to show. He can use the term DEMO in place of ADM and not lose my business for life. Then, I have never paid MSRP for a vehicle.
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