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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

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  • alltorquealltorque Posts: 535
    I almost hate myself for saying this - but only "almost" - here in Europe the Mazda 3 5-door hatch is available with 1.4, 1.6 and 2.0 gassers and 1.6 and 2.0 diesels, the latter with 143bhp. :shades:

    I really do not understand why they aren't available in USA. Hopefully they will be ere long.
  • texasestexases Posts: 5,560
    The diesels all come down to emissions. Only just now will we start getting ones that can comply with our stringent particulates regulations, and most (except Honda's, as far as I know) require an additional urea injection system.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Benz bluetecs arrive for MY2009, so they're here. VW has new TDIs also, but I think they cost a bit more with the clean emissions.

    More to come soon.

    Subaru just launched a diesel Forester in europe.
  • Here in Europe, Subaru have launched their new "Boxer" diesel in Legacy, (Saloon & Tourer), Forester and Outback. Not in the Imprezza yet but..........................probably just a matter of time.

    Engine is an H4, 2.0Ltr, 148bhp/258Lbft. Must go for a test-drive.

    Have a search on the Subaru UK site for details.
  • Anybody wanting to ask me any questions, please do.

    I'll say it felt more roomy than the previous fit, but still was a few inches short on front legroom, for me (6'5" 200), where a Civic fits better, and my Accord is fantastic.

    The engine noise seemed greatly reduced from 2008, and the ride seemed a little smoother as well. Engine power felt identical to the 2008, but there was an extra person in my drive today (about 180 lbs) so that probably makes up the difference.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    So they have arrived at your local dealer? I heard they would be a month early - guess that was true....

    My local dealer sold his last '08 Fit ages ago. I imagine they must have been impatient to get the '09s in.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • They had but one 2009; when we got in it it had 5 miles on it. They were ready to deal if we were, but we only drove it out of curiousity. I guess it wasn't just a demo. The sticker was $17,5XX or so, with an extra $299 for the Xylon treatment tacked on. Cute car, but not worth that to me. I'd have a Versa that's better equipped, or better yet, something like a midsize Ford or Hyundai. I'm 6'5", so interior room is worth a premium to me.
  • I had money down on my dealer's next '09 FIT and after today's test drive, I decided not to trade in my Civic EX ('06 12,550 miles). The engine was peppy from 0-25, but was noisy and whiny up to 55. Handling was a little jittery at 55 also.

    My primary turn-off was the "fuzzy cardboard" for the seatbacks and cargo floor. It's certainly not up to supporting heavy loads or rough wear & tear. The dashboard and doors were as nice as the Civic in quality, however. The cloth seats were a little lower quality than the Civic.

    All in all, for $19g (Sport/AT/Navi) you don't get the ride and engine and quiet you can in a Civic...for just a couple of more g's...and equally decent gas mileage.

    I was hoping to downsize and get sporty with the FIT, but IMHO it's no competition for the Civic. Had it been a Blackberry Pearl instead of a Storm Silver, I might have been persuaded to think about it more.

    By the way, this Honda dealer keeps the $500 deposit if you don't follow through with the deal. Is that common practice? A phone call from my attorney resulted in "keeping the $500 in escrow for use on a future deal."
  • You got screwed by not setting the terms of your deposit up front, and obviously by not reading the fine print the dealer locked you into.

    The practice is deplorable, but unfortunately, you put yourself there, and with little or no bargaining power now that the dealer has your cash and little incentive to discount.
  • Yup...too enthusiastic over the FIT.

    If the FIT is so scarce, especially certain colors, there's no dealer incentive to discount, even if I weren't the village idiot.
    :(
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,447
    A phone call from your attorney and they still didn't give the money back? And, your attorney accepted that?

    I'm not impressed with your attorney.. I'd call the local prosecutor... I wouldn't let anyone keep my money without due consideration.. I think they would be hard-pressed to show an actual loss from you backing out on the deal.

    regards,
    kyfdx
    visiting host-not a lawyer

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  • nortsr1nortsr1 Posts: 1,060
    Why would they have to show a LOSS??? If he signed an agreement that states "Non-refundable deposit" it is his LOSS.. not theirs. What type of complaint could a local prosecutor do???? People order cars, put down a deposit (in his case $500.00). He agrees to a NON refundable deposit and then he changes his mind!!!! Forget it!!!!!He loses that $$$$.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    for the new Fiesta:

    http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080905/FREE/809059991/1528/- newsletter01

    Why is this car still two years away in the United States?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,447
    It won't stand up... if there is no consideration on both parts, then there is no contract...

    If the contract isn't fulfilled, then they would have to show damages to keep the money..

    In the car business, there are no non-refundable deposits.. no matter what he signed... If they keep his money, they have to show that he got something for it, or they had a loss.. I don't think they can do that on a Honda FIT, that sells as soon as it hits the lot..

    regards,
    kyfdx

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    That's crazy, you're a loyal Honda buyer and they actually kept your deposit?

    Sheesh. How would they treat Joe Schmoe. :sick:
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,683
    They are still working on decontenting it to a level suitable for the NA market :sick:
  • They are still working on decontenting it to a level suitable for the NA market

    I bet if you found a bunch of people willing to pay $28,000 for it like they do in the EU, you might be able to convince them to bring it over. Of course you will still need it to pass the North American FMVSS requirements and safety requirements...

    Hmm yeah, there is a car in Europe and all Ford has to do is just drop it off here in the states and make a killing...those slick folks in Dearborn must not have thought of trying that....
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,683
    But a fair bit of that 28K exists because of insane taxes in the EU region, and the depreciated greenback. Compare the home market prices with local purchasing power and relative to other vehicles offered in a given market, and it isn't so bad. It might not be something that would sticker for 10K, but there are people who will pay for a premium product.

    Given the actions of the big 2.5 over the past few decades, there are a lot of folks in Detroit who are as slick as sandpaper :P
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    no bickering! According to the article, these cars are "Priced from the equivalent of $11,000" in Europe. They aren't going for any $28K.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • nortsr1nortsr1 Posts: 1,060
    "in the car business there are NO non-refundable deposits"....I would like a car salesperson to chime in on this...Has any dealer ever kept a deposit... I certainly can remember some posts that I have read where the deposit has been kept by the dealer (however, I don't remember where I read it)!!!!!
  • nortsr1 wrote: "If he signed an agreement that states "Non-refundable deposit" it is his LOSS.. not theirs."

    LOL, I signed NOTHING...but the check. :shades:

    Plus...a check for $500 from the dealer arrived yesterday in the mail.

    My attorney's rate is $350/hour. Luckily, his paralegal made the phone call. ;)
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,722
    It won't stand up... if there is no consideration on both parts, then there is no contract...

    It will stand up, if the contract specifically stated that the deposit was non refundable and the dealership acted in good faith and tried to fulfill the contract than it is enforceable. Remember that the customer refused to complete the contract not the dealership. The consideration on the part of the dealership was the willingness to sell him the car and follow through on it.

    Now if the sale didn't go through because of the dealership then it wouldn't be enforceable.

    That being said it would be a good business practice to refund the deposit as a goodwill jester.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • ateixeira wrote: ...a loyal Honda buyer...

    My Civic and Ridgeline are from another dealer. I was just hoping to patronize this dealer much closer to home.
    :blush:
  • snakeweasel wrote: ...a goodwill jester

    LOL, perfect name for a dealership! :D
  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,447
    And yet... he got his check back... :)

    Seriously.. go to small claims court, and see if any judge is going to rule for a dealer keeping your deposit... when there is no transaction, and they can show no damages..

    I love happy endings..

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  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,722
    Shows you how good spell check is. :blush:

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • podredpodred Posts: 127
    Why is this car still two years away in the United States?
    Simple really.... Ford is gripped in FEAR, as they may actually Make Money Selling A Good Car Like This.... then what would they do?.... :)
  • Why is this car still two years away in the United States?
    Simple really.... Ford is gripped in FEAR, as they may actually Make Money Selling A Good Car Like This.... then what would they do?...

    Yes yes, that must be it. I am sure that a company like Ford losing market share like my dog sheds fur wouldn't be interested in bringing a vehicle that promises to be a huge hit to market as fast as possible.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,687
    So then, the question remains: why so long? The gas prices have been through the roof and Ford's NA market share has been sliding fast the entire time the Euro Fiesta was being developed. It is now on sale in Europe, yet we wait two more years?

    I like the car, but the company really deserves to end its days in ignominy.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • dtownfbdtownfb Posts: 2,915
    My guess is they have to modify the car to meet the US safety regulations.
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