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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Funny thing is gas prices have settled down, and even dropped a bit.
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,972
    One of the local used car lots has an '09 Versa S with only 5000 miles listed for $11,995. It won't let me link the actual car, but the website is http://www.melvinmotors.com if anyone wants to check it out. Kinda makes me wonder what's wrong with it, because to me that actually sounds reasonable! Of course, it's a model year old now, and, while low-mileage, still a used car. And it's still pretty basic, although it does have a/c, automatic, and a CD player. Oh, it's also the clunkier sedan model.

    Those Hyundai Elantras and Sonatas are definitely a lot of car for the money. They still seem to depreciate pretty quickly, even though Hyundai has a good quality reputation these days. So I guess that makes them a winner all over...cheap AND dependable! I would've considered checking out a used Sonata when I was on the car hunt. A couple months ago a friend of mine had a Kia Spectra for a rental while his '04 Crown Vic was in the shop. I rode around in it a little bit, and thought it was a respectable little car.
  • tifightertifighter WAPosts: 1,376
    Yeah, I'm thinking used Hyundais are in a perfect vortex right now. The quality is really good, but the general public hasn't fully caught on yet. So the resale is still kinda bad, based on an old reputation that no longer really applies. Win-win for a smart consumer. Jeez, there's a local '08 Sonata GLS with 30k miles, yeah its an ex-rental, but at $9988, its awfully hard to beat. I like the Elantra. I like the Accent, especially the SE, but they are still subject to the weird subcompact premium that we're talking about here...the others are a better deal. And there's very little gas mileage penalty.

    I like the Yaris, and love the 1st gen Fit, but they just don't pencil as a used buy...

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  • oregonboyoregonboy Posts: 1,653
    spam alert !!!
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  • Re. the Elantra, and Hyundai in general... we bought a 2006 Elantra GLS automatic in December 2005, and it has been absolutely rock-solid reliable. It's had no warranty issues, or any glitches of any kind since purchase. I've been a import car buyer/owner since 1968, and with my experience, one kind of gets a "gut feel" of what's really good or bad in the market, regardless of what conventional or historical wisdom tells you. I looked at everything on the market in the Elantra's class in December 2005, drove them all, and felt this was really a good car (period), not factoring the money aspect. And, this is the previous generation Elantra! Out the door price was $13.5K. My thoughts have been rewarded, as the car is still like new 4 years after purchase. I don't worry about residuals, as I'm still driving a 1985 SAAB 900 - so that should illustrate how long I keep a car.

    Compared to a 1996 Honda Civic and 2001 Toyota Corolla we've owned, the Elantra is head and shoulders above both in terms of lack of problems, warranty recalls, and reliability. Frankly, I'm impressed with Hyundai, and I've had a great experience with our local dealer too which is icing on the cake.
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,727
    The Elantra is a good car. I had a 2000 wagon for nine years and around 170+k miles. Only issue was an exhaust manifold that cracked at about 130K miles which Hyundai replaced free of charge (apparently they got a bad batch and extended the warranty on them to 10 years unlimited miles). Great car, I was sad to give it up.

    The sign said "No shoes, no shirt, no service", it didn't say anything about no pants.

  • steverstever Viva Las CrucesPosts: 40,568
    spam alert !!!

    Gee, you don't think a post from a Delhi member about a F-150 Supercab qualifies as subcompact talk? mmm, spam for breakfast. :)

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  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Talk about hitting the wrong target audience!
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,972
    Talk about hitting the wrong target audience!

    Yeah, but by some standards (EPA, for instance), it IS a subcompact! But then, so are some Rolls Royce and Bentley models. :surprise:
  • qbrozenqbrozen Posts: 17,333
    Well, you can get a NEW versa S sedan with auto for a hair over $13k ($1250 in rebates on them right now), so I don't think $12k is reasonable for a year old one.

    BUT... trade-in is right around $10k on it, so $12k is actually a decent price. I just don't see how it makes sense from a buyer's perspective.

    '13 Stang GT; '86 Benz 300E; '98 Volvo S70; '12 Leaf; '14 Town&Country

  • Used car values are still totally screwed up from the combination of the implosion of leasing and the huge drop in new car sales. For a while when Volvo was closing out the 2009 S60s we were selling year old certified 2008 S60s with say 15,000 miles for within 1,500 dollars of brand new 2009 S60s.

    Most people bought the new ones but a couple bought used. Things are a little better now but still screwy.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    if you COULD get one of these, would you be interested at all?....

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    http://www.autoweek.com/article/20091216/CARNEWS/912169998

    I DO think it looks better as an Aston than as a Toyota. :-P

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • is a Fiat 500 Abarth-fighter.

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  • lostwrench1lostwrench1 Ct.Posts: 476
    A subcompact can have no more than 99 cu. ft. of passenger and cargo volume combined.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    Ford announced the prices for the 2011 Fiesta:

    Ford bets customers will pay premium prices for the Fiesta

    Ford Motor Co. will charge more than $23,000 for a fully loaded Fiesta, a new car smaller than the Focus.

    ..."The price is out there, and we already have 1,000 orders," said Jim Farley, Ford's group vice president of global marketing. "Americans have shown us if we bring out aspirational products, not only will they pay the base price, but go up."

    The 2011 Fiesta, which goes on sale in summer, starts at $13,995 including shipping for the four-door sedan. The base five-door Fiesta starts at $15,795. The Focus starts at $16,535 including shipping.


    http://www.autoweek.com/article/20091221/CARNEWS/912219994

    I forget when they are going to dump the crap-ola current Focus for the one on the European platform - have they already done it? - but I am thinking the price will go up when they do.

    In the meantime, if that $23K Fiesta is an RS with the luxury features offered in a Mini Cooper S, people might pay it. I would be hoping for an RS a little closer to the $20K price point, but then I have no desire for xenon headlights and in-dash NAV.

    On the flip side, I bet that $14K base sedan will be pretty well stripped down, and that's a shame.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,699
    the fiesta 's' has features like electric power steering, advancetrac stability control, and telescoping wheel, which are not available on the focus 's', which starts at about 16,200.
    the fiesta has a wheel/tire package that can add just under 2k to the price.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    Well isn't THAT a fine how-do-you-do! All the more reason to get that new Focus in place and bump up the base price and base feature content. They need to start focusing hard on being profitable with their small car sales.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I understand why they did it, but until they phase out the old Focus it's going to confuse consumers, big time.
  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,699
    the msrp of the focus has pretty much always been meaningless.
    it's the product the buyers are going to look at.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    True, but finding that the Focus is cheaper than a Fiesta is still going to have consumer going :confuse:
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    Even in base model trim, the Fiesta is going to be a better-handling car than the Focus, which may reduce the :confuse: a little.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    They may as well phase out the old Focus now, or offer it to rental fleets.

    At what point does the USA get the new euro Focus? Next generation?
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    10 more years?! :-P

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Reminds me of the wait for the Golf V.

    By the time it arrived here, it already looked old to me. :D
  • The next gen Focus and related offspring is expected to launch late '11 as a '12, per fan-boy sites. It will launch first in Europe I believe, or maybe that was the Fiesta, which already did launch.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    That was typical VW: the Golf V WAS old by the time it got here. And the Rabbit, and....

    Another 2 years with this crapola Focus?! They need to get the Fiesta into dealerships SOON.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,972
    but when is GM supposed to launch the Cruze? The Focus is getting a bit long in the tooth, but the Cobalt was born that way!
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,691
    The Cruze comes next year, but the real question for this thread is when if ever will GM start to sell a competitive Aveo? Or will they change the name again for their next subcompact?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Given how many Aveos they sell, we can't blame them for changing it gradually.
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