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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

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  • benjaminhbenjaminh Posts: 1,623
    +1 Nice.

    I hear the next gen Mini, due in 2013 as a 2014 model, might have as its standard powerplant a 3 cylinder turbo. Hwy mpg would be up to a hybrid, but performance would be the same as this version....Sounds good.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Problem is 3 bangers have all the inherent balance of a cat stuck on the blade of a ceiling fan.

    :D
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    Balance shafts smooth them out. They're probably still not as smooth as an I-4 throughout the rev range in neutral, but I imagine the vibration wouldn't be noticeable, or not an issue, under load.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I can say that because I owned one when I was a poor college student. I was getting around 46mpg, not bad.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    Did you own a Metro? The 3-cylinder Geo Metro didn't have balance shafts. The Subaru Justy did.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    is going to "do a Mini" on its lineup in the next year: add a four-door lengthened model and a small crossover with the turbo engine. They will share the crossover with Jeep for the 2014 MY:

    TURIN, Italy -- The United States will get four more versions of the Fiat 500 subcompact in the next two years.

    This fall, a turbocharged 500 joins the lineup. Early next year, Fiat will begin sales of an electric. In mid-2013, a four-door, five-seat, high-roof 500L will join the range. In 2014, Fiat will add a 500X small crossover.


    My question is, if they plan to start selling a "Turbo", what is the Abarth and how is it different?

    The 500L looks weird - the Clubman and Countryman look much better....

    http://www.autonews.com/article/20120903/OEM04/309039988/fiat-plans-4-more-versi- ons-of-500

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    Excellent question! The Abarth is smaller and lighter than the models that will be introduced, and, therefore, quicker and more nimble. Couldn't your comments also apply to the MINI models? I understand your point, though, because I've asked myself the same thing. You can be sure that marketing will differentiate each model and place each in its intended role.

    Just as MINI has done an excellent job of segmenting the market, Fiat will try to follow a similar script with the 500.
  • The Abarth 500 is a little flying bomb and it's crazy brother the Abarth 500 EssEss is just that - crazy. On side-by-side testing it is outgunned by the MINI Cooper S but said to be "A lot more involving and the one you would choose to drive for sheer pleasure"

    I guess they named it EssEss as SS still has unwelcome connotations here in Europe.

    Off topic but Ford have now announced their new B-Max 5-door compact - somewhere twixt a Fiesta and a Focus with sliding rear doors. Best power unit is said to be the 999cc 118bhp gasser. Not a rocket ship but more than adequate for it's intended market. Have a Googletm for details.
  • Stever@EdmundsStever@Edmunds YooperlandPosts: 38,958
    edited September 2012
    Looks like a Honda Fit with sliders. Perfect. I can picture people cramming into tiny parking lot slots and then exiting by the sliders when there's not enough room to open the front doors.
  • michaellmichaell Posts: 4,300
    My question is, if they plan to start selling a "Turbo", what is the Abarth and how is it different?

    The turbo will have 135HP; the Abarth 160HP.
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Even older, it was a Chevy Sprint, before Geo existed.

    The last year they had a Chevy Sprint Metro, which was the most fuel efficient model, that bridged the gap to the Geo name change.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 7,601
    ...and the Turbo will have a softer ride than the Abarth. Oh and no model with a Scorpion on her neck trying to distract you....
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    Different name, but same engine, though, right?
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    Regarding the SS connotations, Chevy started using that model designation decades ago. Always wondered about the sensitivity of that, even though it meant Super Sport.

    As for the B-Max, if I'm not confusing it with another model, we'll get it in hybrid version, to compete with the Prius. Some please correct me if I'm wrong on this. Anyhow, I'd prefer the standard, non-electrified one.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    Aha! 135 hp vs 160, I missed that part, thanks!

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    My 1986 Sprint had a whopping 48hp 1.0l engine.

    Later Geos made up to 55hp, though I'm not sure what changes were made to get up to that explosive level of power. ;)
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    edited September 2012
    Upon further checking, it's the Ford C-Max that'll be sold only as a hybrid in the U.S., not the B-Max. The European version of the C-Max is gasoline powered.
  • You're obviously not worthy of the Ford B-Max.............or the VW Up!, SEAT Mii or Skoda Citigo. Joking; no offence intended. The three latter are all from VW Group and share mechanicals but not bodies. All are very capable city+ cars and very aggressively priced, (well, for Europe). Needless to say, the VW is the most expensive.

    Things are getting very interesting over here, particularly for small, inexpensive, relatively roomy cars with small gasoline engines and VW Group is leading the way.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    Interesting. I like to see VW bring the UP to the U.S., but it doesn't look like they'll do it.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    How about them bringing the Polo here first? It's built in Mexico and sold all over Latin America, you would think the cost would be low enough to sell it profitably in the U.S., and they are one of the last major automakers NOT to have a subcompact for sale here.

    In fact,, I think they may officially be THE last...Versa, Yaris, Fit, Accent, Rio, Sonic, Spark, Fiesta, Fiat 500, VW ????

    Who did I forget?

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

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