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What is "wrong" with these new subcompacts?

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  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    Mazda 2, Scion xD.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    Well, I was thinking of VOLUME automakers, but sure throw in the '2' and the xD. Even MORE of an argument for VW to bring their well-thought-of Polo to the U.S.....;-)

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    I agree that it's puzzling why VW hasn't brought the Polo to the U.S., especially since its goal is to become the world's largest automaker.
  • michaellmichaell Posts: 4,300
    I agree that it's puzzling why VW hasn't brought the Polo to the U.S., especially since its goal is to become the world's largest automaker.

    Might it have something to do with the costs involved in certifying the Polo in the US?

    How many units do you think VW can sell here in the States? Could they offer it at a price point under the Golf or Jetta S ($16K)?
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    In fact,, I think they may officially be THE last...Versa, Yaris, Fit, Accent, Rio, Sonic, Spark, Fiesta, Fiat 500, VW ????

    Who did I forget?


    Subie, Volvo, Audi, none of these have subcompacts. Mazda is about to give up on the Mazda2 in the US (it was doomed anyway with the Mazda3 beating it in MPGs and all).
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    Any of the cost factors you mentioned is possible, but how and why do the other companies manage to sell their B class cars in the U.S.?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Build in a cheap place, like Mexico.

    With a smaller car margins are crucial, in fact I bet most lose money.
  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    I think the Polo is already built in Mexico.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    Subie, Volvo, Audi, none of these have subcompacts

    Well like I said before, I was actually thinking of volume automakers when I first made the comment, and none of these are volume automakers. In fact, Mazda isn't either, but the 2 is a fun little car. If they are really thinking of dropping it, that's too bad....

    VW could sell the Polo under the base price of a Jetta, I bet. It IS made in Mexico....

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Probably not that much cheaper, maybe just a grand or so.

    Plus, why lower transactions costs? It might cannibalize Golf sales.

    I'm speculating. It would actually be fun to sample a Polo GTI.
  • michaellmichaell Posts: 4,300
    I'm speculating. It would actually be fun to sample a Polo GTI.

    Yeah, figure 160-180HP to compete with the new Fiesta ST.

    Those are hot hatches! And, figure 30-35 MPG highway as well.

    What's not to like?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Just mentioned in another thread that a Sonic SS would be fun, or a Fit Si. Small cars are nimble and with enough power they're a hoot to drive.
  • michaellmichaell Posts: 4,300
    Just mentioned in another thread that a Sonic SS would be fun, or a Fit Si. Small cars are nimble and with enough power they're a hoot to drive.

    Would the 2.0L from the Civic fit in the Fit?

    (hmm, that doesn't look right when I type it)

    140HP might make the Fit quite the funster to drive.

    For the Sonic, are there chips available that would turn up the HP on the 1.4L turbo?
  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    I wonder if a 2l Fit would be too nose heavy?

    Speaking of heavy, the Sonic could be lighter, maybe a diet wouldn't hurt. They handed out the blueprints for the EcoTec to tuners, so I'm sure the turbo will accept a tune.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,584
    a Fit Si does sound like a smart idea. lower it, bigger wheels, tighten up the suspension, and stick in more power. Maybe not a 2.0l, but a higher strung 1.6 or 1.8? Honda used to be able to do those!

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

  • ateixeiraateixeira Posts: 72,587
    Even the Civic's base engine would be a big gain. I'm not sure what those engines weigh, though. Don't want a boat anchor out in front of the front axle, else you can't turn in quickly.
  • bpizzutibpizzuti Posts: 2,743
    Well, Audi is part of VW, and therefore is a volume automaker. Subie is part owned by Toyota, same deal.

    I keep thinking how much fun a Mazda2 with a SkyActiv 2.0L engine would be, bwa ha ha. But that's actually the main reason they're dropping it: it doesn't get the FE of the 3, but is almost as expensive. They're not like Nissan and Toyota where they can build a subcompact cheap enough to be profitable here.

    It's hard, subcompacts are really city cars, they're about city FE and fitting into small streets and parking spaces. Outside of the cities they're out of their element, and we have too much mass transit in most of our cities to compete with. Plus much of US culture is highway-oriented, which favors compacts and midsizers over subcompacts, which are too small to get decent aerodynamics.
  • nippononlynippononly SF Bay AreaPosts: 12,669
    Too small to get decent aerodynamics? Huh?

    The car with the lowest cD of any production car is the last-gen Honda Insight, with a cD of 0.25. Oh, and yes, it's a subcompact.

    Subaru is 14% owned by Toyota, not a controlling or even a very INFLUENTIAL share of ownership. They may partner on some technologies and models like the BRZ, but that doesn't even come close to making tiny little Subaru a volume automaker.

    As for subcompacts being out of their element outside the cities, I drive mine between the Bay Area and Sacramento all the time, where it performs just fine and pulls low 40s for mpg now that it is more broken in.

    More to the point, it pulls 39 mpg as a running average, including all my local driving - just try to achieve that result in any of the supposedly 40-mpg cars out there....

    However, it would be nice if the subcompacts got powertrains as sophisticated as their compact and midsize brethren, which of course they don't because they are built to a price point. Too bad there aren't more like the Mini, but without the spotty reliability and the eye-searing interior.

    2013 Civic SI, 2009 Outback Sport 5-spd (stick)

  • hpmctorquehpmctorque Posts: 4,118
    edited September 2012
    From the current online Automotive News...

    "The European subcompact isn't scheduled to come to the United States, but top management says the Polo could be engineered quickly to U.S. specifications if needed."

    How do you define "needed?"
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 13,584
    $6 gallon?

    2013 Acura RDX (wife's), 2007 Volvo S40 (when daughter lets me see it), 2000 Acura TL (formerly son's, now mine again), and new Jetta SE (son's first new car on his own dime!)

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