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Midsize Pickup Comparo

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  • rassom2rassom2 Posts: 2
    By the way the Ridgeline is unibody - All the others have full chassis.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Nope. The Ridgeline has both. Below is a picture of the "frame" under the Pilot. The Ridgeline uses a similar design, but it has channels that are 70% deeper and a few extra crossmembers.

    http://tnpv.us/pv/2002/05/16/HON2002051648297_pv.jpg
  • travlertravler Posts: 138
    I think he means that the cab and cargo bed are unibody, though attatched to a frame.
  • atlgaxtatlgaxt Posts: 487
    Has anyone heard any more about the lifted Ridgeline that Honda had at the SEMA (I believe) show? Has this truck appeared anywhere else? I am leaning towards a Frontier, but am bummed about how they bundle options with the different trim levels (I cannot get the truck with what I want and not get stuff that I do not want). If Honda came out with a slightly lifted Ridgeline with larger tires and skidplates, I might be sold.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    That truck was never meant for production. It was just a concept. They used a 2" Truxxx lift kit for another model they showed at SEMA. Go aftermarket and you can build what you want.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    That concept, called the "A/T" I believe, I'm sure was there to test market reaction. So I'm hoping that Honda is considering offering something like that in the near future.

    If they do, it had better have a 2-speed transfer case, or it will never be taken seriously by off-roaders.

    Bob
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    As long as it wears a Honda badge, it will never be taken seriously by the off-roaders. So why bother targeting them?

    If they did tackle that market, it would require a whole lot more than a 2 speed transfer case. It would need to be decontented to the tune of $5,000. Nobody takes a 30K truck into the woods unless it's a Hummer. In addition to that, it would need an old-school lockable 4WD system. Not necessarily because VTM-4 isn't up to the task... they'd need it because off-roaders are always breaking stuff and need to be able to get cheap replacement parts. A lift kit would get the rig up on its tippy toes, but wouldn't increase the modest suspension travel and (even though the notion is bogus) they'd want a solid rear axle.

    By the time Honda did most of that, it would no longer be a Ridgeline.
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    Nobody takes a 30K truck into the woods unless it's a Hummer.

    Well, your mistaken. There are a lot of $30K vehicles taken seriously off-road, and most all of them are not HUMMERS.
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,657
    As long as it wears a Honda badge, it will never be taken seriously by the off-roaders. So why bother targeting them?

    I couldn't disagree more.

    Honda is very well known in off-roading circles, in terms of motorcycles and ATVs. There's absolutely no reason why that same image couldn't also be applied to their trucks.

    Honda now offers a very sporty Civic Si, and a 6-speed Accord V6 sedan, something that they would never have offered a few years back. There's no reason they couldn't also offer a sporty off-road-capable version of the Ridgeline too.

    The fact that they even showed the A/T concept is evidence that they are testing the waters, to see if there is enough interest in such a model.

    Bob
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    90% of the vehicles I've seen at Paragon are nearly a decade old. Most take an older model truck and use aftermarket parts to make it more capable. With the exception of the Wrangler Rubicon, they don't buy them off the showroom floor. Some of these trucks might have $30K worth of hardware bolted to them, but they didn't start life that way. Rock-crawlers and mudders don't buy wheelers. They build wheelers.

    Most of the trucks I've seen on the trails are Jeeps. Modded Wranglers and Cherokees are the most common. Then the first generation of the Grand Cherokee and the Liberty. I've seen quite a few older Discos and a few Defenders. There are plenty of import trucks as well, but I've never seen a new one. The only brand new 30K+ vehicles I've seen have been Hummers and one new Commander.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Well, I disagree with you on the reason they've shown lifted Ridgelines. I don't think it's because they are testing the waters. I think it's because they are trying to bolster the man's man truck image. Honda knows that most people don't really use trucks that way. They just want the image. So the show trucks (which have also included street rod versions) give potential buyers something to dream about.
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    It won't climb the largest bolders or pull the heaviest loads.

    I don't need to pull the front drive shaft to make a trip to the beach. I haven't had so much trouble with the tranny/clutch that I can now change one or the other in 3 hrs.

    Not worried about whether something else has a few more or less horses. We rarely use the horses that are there. It has more than enough for our needs. Regular Gas!

    We can slide a small boat and lots of camping gear in the back and it takes the 5 of us where we wish to go. It tows the bass boat or camper just fine. The ride is smooth when compaired to the others, thanks to the struts and independent suspension. The ride is roomy and comfortable. Gas millage is respectable. It is a Safe ride according to Government and Insurance testing.

    The wife can take it to the nursery and load it down with shubery or to Home Depot or the furniture store and bring home the goods. Recently we were attending a giant craft show and parked on a dirt/grass field. A heavy rain ruined the show, but we were able to drive off that field with nothing more than driving as usual. Many other P/Us and SUVs were not so lucky.

    I don't know of any one thing that it excells at. However I don't know of any other vehicle that does so many things as well as the Honda.

    Anything you name concerning towing, HP, handling, room, looks, etc., can and is bested by something out there. However for a complete and balanced package the Honda is real hard to beat!

    Kip
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    This is all true; the Honda is seemingly a perfect compromise for many people. Congrats on your cool ride!
  • 2005lekc2005lekc Posts: 145
    Let me say up front that I own a Frontier. I went to our local new car show today with my sister as she is wanting a new vehicle.

    We looked mostly at SUV's but she really liked the fully loaded black Ridgeline. We could not drive it, but we gave it a very close look.

    I felt for her needs that the Honda Pilot was the vehicle to buy, but she liked the Ridgline
    look better.

    After going over the Ridgeline carefully I would have to say that it is a very nice truck.
    It would do anything I would ever do with ease.

    I thought the back seats were fairly comfort-
    able and the locking trunk was a very nice feature. I also liked the cool air intake snout located at the front of the truck.

    The only down side to it was if you had a flat with a load on the truck you would have to unload to get to the spare. I also do not like the high sided bed, it reminds me of the
    Chevrolet Avalanche which I do not care for.

    I would still take my Frontier over the Honda, but only because of the cost and I just like the looks of the Frontier. The Honda is every bit as good as the Frontier, maybe even better.

    Just my take after looking at a lot of trucks and SUV's today.

    OkieScot
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Wow, how refreshing!

    Someone who owns something other than what they are talking about, still wouldn't own what they are talking about, but CAN see how others would like it, and that it has good merits.

    Congrats to you for having the slightest-opening in your mind. It can be rare on some Honda boards.
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    I felt for her needs that the Honda Pilot was the vehicle to buy, but she liked the Ridgeline
    look better.


    We have an '03 Pilot that has been a real jewel except for the several recalls. The ride is comfortable and quiet and the gas mileage is something to brag about.

    Work is 6.5 miles from our house. There are 8 turns, 5 traffic lights and 3 stop signs. Average weekly mileage is 17-18 mpg. A trip from Atlanta to Indiana driving the posted speed limit, with 2 adults yielded a shade over 27 for the entire trip including sight seeing. A trip to Myrtle beach with 5 adults and driving 70-80 yielded 24+.

    Ridgeline is even heavier (I think) and is probably geared differently, mileage not as good.

    I would still take my Frontier over the Honda, but only because of the cost and I just like the looks of the Frontier.

    I just saw a new midsize Frontier in Black a few days ago. It is maybe the best looking truck on the road today. Definitely more "manly" looking. It also looks more like a P/U is supposed to look.

    I'm not crazy about the RL high sides either! For a loaded up family truck the Ridgeline is for us! If She would let me buy a Play/work truck with stick shift just for me, it would most likely be the "NEW" frontier with extended cab.

    Have a blessed day,
    Kip
  • ustazzafustazzaf Posts: 311
    As long as it wears a Honda badge, it will never be taken seriously by the off-roaders. So why bother targeting them?
    Ya, I thought that about Toyotas 30 years ago too, but low and behold the early 80s brought Toys that are still running strong and improving daily toward that number 1 in the world status. The same goes for Honda. The vehicle is a novelty at this point, but could be a contender years from now. How about Kia and Hyundai. Everyone thought they would be go the way of the Yugo, but they are taking a good chunk out of the big 3 too.
  • 2005lekc2005lekc Posts: 145
    kipk,

    Thank you for the information, I'll pass that on to my sister.

    OkieScot
  • gearhead1gearhead1 Posts: 408
    Honda is very well known in off-roading circles, in terms of motorcycles and ATVs. There's absolutely no reason why that same image couldn't also be applied to their trucks.

    Honda is racing the Ridgeline with only limited modifications to the stock truck in off road events right now.

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  • gearhead1gearhead1 Posts: 408
    http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=211128&FS=

    rest of article at link.

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    Ridgeline Racing To Tackle Baja

    ORANGE, Calif. (March 1, 2006) The Honda Ridgeline, voted Truck of the Year by both the North American International Auto Show and Truck Trend magazine, will tackle the demands of SCORE off-road racing and the harsh environment of Baja California in 2006, starting with the Tecate SCORE San Felipe 250, March 10-12.

    Coming on the heels of a class victory in last year's Henderson 400, Gavin Skilton and his California Race and Rally organization will again lead the Ridgeline Racing effort in 2006. Competing in the International Stock Mini Truck class, the Orange, California-based team will focus on the three SCORE events taking place in Baja this season.

    By conforming to stock class regulations, Skilton and his CaRR team utilize the stock Honda Ridgeline platform, with only limited modifications permitted to the suspension and engine, in addition to required safety-related items such as the roll cage, radios, H.I.D. auxiliary lighting and fire suppression system. The CaRR Ridgeline runs on 33-inch B.F.Goodrich tires specifically designed for the demands of off-road racing.

    The competition Ridgeline has been developed by CaRR with additional input from engineers at American Honda Motor Co., Inc.

    "Competing in Baja is an excellent test for the Ridgeline, and one we feel confident will demonstrate the full capabilities of Honda's new pickup," Skilton said. "Limiting ourselves to the Stock Mini Truck category will prove the quality of construction and off-road abilities of the Honda design, as demonstrated by our victory last year at the Henderson 400. This year, our goal is to win in Baja."

    A winning competitor in off-road racing, CaRR has previous class victories in both the Baja 500 and 1000, and has also competed in the famed Dakar Rally and the cross-continent Australian Safari Rally. The Honda Ridgeline project debuted in the Experimental Truck category at the 2005 Baja 1000, followed by a class victory in the Henderson 400 in December.

    California Race and Rally 2006 Schedule Highlights:

    Date Event
    March 10-12 Tecate SCORE San Felipe 250
    June 2-4 Tecate SCORE Baja 500
    November 15-18 Tecate SCORE Baja 1000, Ensenada to La
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