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Midsize Pickup Comparo

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  • donn2390donn2390 Posts: 23
    I have been hearing that 5.3 rumor for over a year. First time I heard it was for this year.
    I would love to hear confirmation on that. I have been searching the web trying to find out anything I can about the 2008.
    I was going to buy an '07, but it's so close to the 8's coming out, I am going to wait.
    I haven't heard of any problems with the '07 heads, so I assume that problem is history. :)
  • jfritschjfritsch Posts: 958
    How in the world would they put a v8 into a chassis that they had to compromise and put a 5 cylinder in as it is? No other mid size (tacoma, frontier, possilbly ridgeline) has anything said about a v8 and they have bigger dimensions and possibly just barely the space for a small one.
    The Dakota is the only one with a v8 and it is the biggest of the bunch. Keep looking for info on this rumor for the Colorado as you won't find any. Its not gonna happen.

    This is a compromsied vehicle with a small engine, poor towing and with cheap amenities and expensive too. Get a Frontier, Tacoma, Ridgeline, or if you need GM, or a v8 a Silverado -- one of the best in the fullsize class. (you can work 7-8k off msrp deals now with this truck of the year, 4k off the Tacoma and Frontier and about 6k off the Ridgeline) You may be able to work 8-10k off a Dakota. The dodge Ram 1500 4x4 crew is advertised for 12000 off list frequently, although a large full size.

    Before you go Colorado please do yourself a favor and drive the alternatives. You will be happy you did.

    --jjf

    I have been hearing that 5.3 rumor for over a year. First time I heard it was for this year.
    I would love to hear confirmation on that. I have been searching the web trying to find out anything I can about the 2008.
    I was going to buy an '07, but it's so close to the 8's coming out, I am going to wait.
    I haven't heard of any problems with the '07 heads, so I assume that problem is history.
  • KCRamKCRam Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,516
    Same way they got the 5.3 in the Impala. It's not about the power, it's the size. The 5.3 is only 4 cylinders "long" as opposed to the I-5 which takes up more space lengthwise. This is why Colorado/Canyon critics have wondered for years why GM didn't use the 4.3 V6.

    kcram - Pickups Host
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    This is why Colorado/Canyon critics have wondered for years why GM didn't use the 4.3 V6.


    Did we ever get an answer on that one? :)
  • KCRamKCRam Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,516
    I've heard because it's based on the old 350 (4.3 just has 2 cyls cut off) and they'd prefer to use a newer engine design. I'd think it would be a better stopgap than the I-5 until they get a new truck V-6 in production.

    kcram - Pickups Host
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    Ah. Makes sense...sort of. They seemilngly alienated a few die-hard truck guys who wanted some real torque from a traditional engine.

    I really don't know, is there a new truck V6 coming anytime soon? Or is the 3.6 GM's only real "V6" they've got now outside of the old 3.5/3.9 pushrods cam-in-block designs?(The 2.8L V6 found in the Saab doesn't count to me, 210 hp is now in 4-cylinder's territory).

    --TheGrad
  • donn2390donn2390 Posts: 23
    GM invested far too much money in the new technology of the I-5 to go backwards to the 4.3 V6.
    The I-5 is tomorrow, so don't hold your breath on getting a V6, which has far less HP.
    The V8 is a possibility because it uses the same frame as the Hummer which has the V8. Seems to fit fine in there..!
    Before I would ever consider buying foreign, I will continue to drive my '91 S-10 with 160 K on it.
  • thegraduatethegraduate Posts: 9,731
    On a random side note, I just got hit by an older S-10 (the really boxy years) that had racing stripes on it. The pictures of my wrecked car are on my carspace. You didn't by chance hit me yesterday did ya? :)

    Just messin with ya. :)
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    Prices you are quoting seem a bit too good to be true! :)

    >"Get a Frontier, Tacoma, Ridgeline, or if you need GM, or a v8 a Silverado -- one of the best in the fullsize class. (you can work 7-8k off msrp deals now with this truck of the year, 4k off the Tacoma and Frontier and about 6k off the Ridgeline) You may be able to work 8-10k off a Dakota. ,"

    These prices are way below dealer cost and dealer holdback.

    Please explain how you do it. A friend is looking to buy a New Silverado right now !

    Thanks,

    Kip
  • jfritschjfritsch Posts: 958
    Check out my message 14394 in the Honda Accord prices paid section. All ya need to know. Email 10-30 dealers for quotes end of the month. All the full size pickups -Tundra, f series Silverado wholesale about 10k off MSRP year one. They will not move without sizeable incentives. Obviously for a good deal you want a considerable amount off.

    You want about 7-8k+ off a 30+ k Silverado for a good deal and more for the Dodges. Silverado has had a reprieve from the norm the last few months for the Truck of the year headline but economics are returning to normal. Newly introduced Tundra too.

    If your friend needs a full size tell him to investigate the Dodge 1500 4x4 crew or even mega crew. Its advertised frequently for 12k off MSRP a 5.7 hemi 33+k truck. Doing the above may produce an even bigger discount from the right dealer towards end of this month or next.

    Please don't take invoice -holdback- advertised rebates/dealer incentives and assume you know dealer cost. Invoice has been more a nominal figure for more than 15 years. Unadvertised dealer cash and such for numerous models and particularly for the 20 mpg segment the last 3 years has been very substantial.

    Buying a Dodge Durango for dealer "cost" with advertised rebates,holdback and such for a 7500 discount from MSRP is very painful. Its advertised frequently for 10k+ off. It wholesales 14000+ off MSRP year one. This is one of the more extreme examples for illustration of hidden dealer cash.

    August will probably be a shooting gallery again with major discounts on Honda Pilot (7500+ off 6000 off now) etc. If your friend is flexible on colors and such waiting a month or two getting some competitive bids end of month may produce some really great deals. $4000 off a 26000+ Frontier or Tacoma crew, $5000 off the 4runner is no big whoop now.

    In general taking the wholesale price of a year old used vehicle like the one you're looking for and adding 15-20% is a useful target price for a new vehicle. Obviously you're shooting for the lower or better towards end of the model year. This holds for 95% of production vehicles. It also illustrates buying a year old used car anymore isn't usually a great idea.

    If you want extended warranties try to keep it around $700 or so for a 7year/100k bumper to bumper factory warranty for the Ford or Chev (they already have sizeable warranties) and $1000 or so for the Dodge (funny everyone else is extending their standard powertrain warranties and Dodge dropped their 7/70 last year).

    Happy Hunting
    --jjf

    Prices you are quoting seem a bit too good to be true!

    "Get a Frontier, Tacoma, Ridgeline, or if you need GM, or a v8 a Silverado -- one of the best in the fullsize class. (you can work 7-8k off msrp deals now with this truck of the year, 4k off the Tacoma and Frontier and about 6k off the Ridgeline) You may be able to work 8-10k off a Dakota. ,"

    These prices are way below dealer cost and dealer holdback.

    Please explain how you do it. A friend is looking to buy a New Silverado right now !

    Thanks,

    Kip
  • kipkkipk Posts: 1,576
    This guy has patience. Sent him a copy of your response.

    Thanks,
    Kip
  • rshollandrsholland Posts: 19,661
    Yes, a V8 is coming in the Colorado, but not for 2008. I've gotten that from a source I trust.

    Bob
  • paisanpaisan Posts: 21,181
    Makes sense since the H3 will get a V8 IIRC.

    -mike
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    I saw it on autob--g a couple weeks ago. Left out a couple letters because of the Edmunds rules. Let me know if you can't figure it out.
  • donn2390donn2390 Posts: 23
    I found the site, and I found the full size Chevy's, but can't find Colorado. The site is new to me, I couldn't find an esy way to look other than go page by page... I'll keep trying to figure it out. Thanks for the tip....
  • jfritschjfritsch Posts: 958
    I still don't know how they would shoehorn a V8 into a Colorado when the 5 cylinder is the big one now. Any redesign enough to put a V8 in this machine would put you quickly into Silverado territory which would seem counterproductive.

    Given the Tacoma and Frontier are bigger and a V8 is probably impractical for them are you sure the rumors arent for a V6 (wowsers) for the Colorado?

    --jjf
  • donn2390donn2390 Posts: 23
    The rumors I heard were for the 5.3 V8. The Hummer has that engine and Hummer uses the same frame the Colorado does, so it can't be to tought to make it fit with the Colorado body.
    I really don't need anymore than the I-5 provides, but would be interested in looking at the V-8, were it to be ooffered, before making a decision. It the price were right, and the mileage were tempting, I might go for an "8".. ! ;)
  • obyoneobyone Posts: 8,065
    the same plant in Louisiana.
  • jfritschjfritsch Posts: 958
    I'm speaking totally from ignorance of anything you might have read but are you sure the Hummer H3 isn't based on Surburban or Chevy Silverado frame? I find it hard to believe a 6000 lb Hummer is based on the smallest of the Mid-size Colorado frame. I don't think the Dakota frame (largest mid size) could do it.

    --jjf

    The rumors I heard were for the 5.3 V8. The Hummer has that engine and Hummer uses the same frame the Colorado does, so it can't be to tought to make it fit with the Colorado body.
    I really don't need anymore than the I-5 provides, but would be interested in looking at the V-8, were it to be ooffered, before making a decision. It the price were right, and the mileage were tempting, I might go for an "8".. !
  • moparbadmoparbad Posts: 3,842
    I'm speaking totally from ignorance of anything

    It is correct that the H3 is derived from the Canyon/Colorado.
    It is correct that the Colorado will offer a V8 since the engineering is already completed for the H3.
  • KCRamKCRam Mt. Arlington NJPosts: 3,516
    ...and it's the H2 that is derived from the Tahoe frame.

    kcram - Pickups Host
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    "I found the site, and I found the full size Chevy's, but can't find Colorado. The site is new to me, I couldn't find an esy way to look other than go page by page... I'll keep trying to figure it out. Thanks for the tip....

    If you still haven't found the particular article on the V8 Colorado, just go back to it and in the top right hand corner search type-Colorado V8, and it will bring a couple things up.
  • donn2390donn2390 Posts: 23
    Thanks for helping a computer dummy find the information on the '08 with a V-8. Good articles....
    I hope the V-8 comes to pass. I have been Colorado shopping since '06, but have delayed the purchase waiting until I could pay cash. A home remodel has slowed my progress, and I'm glad now that it did.
    The problems with the 04, 05, and 06 heads make me very happy that I waited until that problem was fixed, now hearing about the V-8 makes me especially happy to have waited.
    The mileage should be at least as good as the I-5. It will be interesting to see what the tariff will be for the
    V-8..!
    I don't really need the extra HP, but what the heck, it will be my last vehicle.. Looks like a Christmas present for the old man..!! ;)
  • jfritschjfritsch Posts: 958
    If you must go with a chevy (gm card points etc) or need a V8. Please consider the Silverado Full size (Truck of the year) where gm put the effort. The Colorado is about last in its class in the mid size behind the Tacoma, Frontier and disregarding true 4wd, the Ridgeline. A quick inspection and test drive of them will make this obvious. With deals of about $4000-6000 off MSRP for them it makes them a no brainer at $23000-25000.

    The Full Size Chevy Silverado Crew has a turning circle only about 2' wider than the Colorado, is much higher in quality, takes on all competitiors in its class, Powerful V8, and is becoming available at $7000-9000 off MSRP as the summer progresses (as it did last year). At 25000 or so for a 33000 truck, it would be hard to fork out about the same for the Colorado, unless you have a lot of GM points and you really really really need a mid size. Test drive em and find out.

    Since you're Santa put something shiny in the stocking instead of a lump of coal.

    Good Luck
    --jjf

    Thanks for helping a computer dummy find the information on the '08 with a V-8. Good articles....
    I hope the V-8 comes to pass. I have been Colorado shopping since '06, but have delayed the purchase waiting until I could pay cash. A home remodel has slowed my progress, and I'm glad now that it did.
    The problems with the 04, 05, and 06 heads make me very happy that I waited until that problem was fixed, now hearing about the V-8 makes me especially happy to have waited.
    The mileage should be at least as good as the I-5. It will be interesting to see what the tariff will be for the
    V-8..!
    I don't really need the extra HP, but what the heck, it will be my last vehicle.. Looks like a Christmas present for the old man..!!
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    "If you must go with a chevy (gm card points etc) or need a V8. Please consider the Silverado Full size (Truck of the year) where gm put the effort. The Colorado is about last in its class in the mid size behind the Tacoma, Frontier and disregarding true 4wd, the Ridgeline. A quick inspection and test drive of them will make this obvious. With deals of about $4000-6000 off MSRP for them it makes them a no brainer at $23000-25000."

    The Silverado may be the best, but like the other full- sized trucks they are too much $$$, and the truck is way too big for regular driving. I have owned both compact and full size trucks and the compact (well now they are mid-size) is more of my size. It you could get the $4-6,000 off the MSRP on a full-size truck, than you should also be able to make a deal for a Colorado/Canyon. Other than the head problems of the past Colorado models, the rest of the truck is quite nice. I found nothing wrong with the interior and have driven a couple. The front end is the only part I don't car for in the truck. Hopefully my nephew doesn't have any issues with his 2005 Canyon that he bought new late last year.
  • jfritschjfritsch Posts: 958
    This is just out of curiosity but have you actually gone to a dealer, and test driven a 06-07 Frontier Crew ,Tacoma or Ridgeline and compared them (build, handling and interior)and what you get?

    You can get 6000-8000 off the MSRP on a full size truck. $12000-14000 off the Dodge RAM 1500. (This puts a lot of full size truck in your hands for $22000 )

    I would consider Colorado starting about $8000 off its (already high) MSRP due to its exterior styling and where it starts to become competitive with the others. A fellow at work got his for $9000 off an 06 end of December

    Funny the only thing that attracted me initially to the Colorado was the front end and sheet metal in general. Go figure. It does look nice on the road.

    Happy Hunting
    --jjf

    The Silverado may be the best, but like the other full- sized trucks they are too much $$$, and the truck is way too big for regular driving. I have owned both compact and full size trucks and the compact (well now they are mid-size) is more of my size. It you could get the $4-6,000 off the MSRP on a full-size truck, than you should also be able to make a deal for a Colorado/Canyon. Other than the head problems of the past Colorado models, the rest of the truck is quite nice. I found nothing wrong with the interior and have driven a couple. The front end is the only part I don't car for in the truck. Hopefully my nephew doesn't have any issues with his 2005 Canyon that he bought new late last year.
  • driver56driver56 Posts: 408
    My 07 Nissan Frontier is more than big enough for this Puppy, particularly since it is driven mostly on city streets. Size-wise, I can barely fit it into my garage and then shut the door. And it's a short wheel base. Good truck so far, fun to drive, handles well, gets decent mileage if one goes easy.
  • jfritschjfritsch Posts: 958
    Just for info, what model is it and price paid?

    --jjf

    My 07 Nissan Frontier is more than big enough for this Puppy, particularly since it is driven mostly on city streets. Size-wise, I can barely fit it into my garage and then shut the door. And it's a short wheel base. Good truck so far, fun to drive, handles well, gets decent mileage if one goes easy
  • driver56driver56 Posts: 408
    It is a Nismo 4x4 Crew Cab. I paid $36500 CDN. pre tax.
  • poncho167poncho167 Posts: 1,178
    "I would consider Colorado starting about $8000 off its (already high) MSRP due to its exterior styling and where it starts to become competitive with the others. A fellow at work got his for $9000 off an 06 end of December."

    $9,000 off with rebates, GM card, and other dealer discounts maybe. They are not going to lose money selling a truck to your friend even though pickups are known to be the most over-priced.

    The only thing that doesn't make the Colorado/Canyon competitive is the lack of towing and hauling. The truck obviously is underpowered compared to the competition but that will supposedly change. The previous S10 was a work horse in comparison that could out-haul and tow much more than the Colorado.

    As far as looks other than the contraversal front end styling of the Colorado, from the door back it is a clean design unlike the Japanese models. The Nissan in my opinion is still the ugliest truck on the market. I used to sell Nissan hard bodies (what they used to call them) and preferred them over the Toyota because I sold them. When I talk of clean styling I am saying that clean to a custom truck builder means no ridges, big wheel wells, or general odd shapes. Smooth lines are best for customizing and the Nissan is far from it. I don't mean to attack your preference in a truck, but Nissan trucks are on the uggo side. What is with Nissan with that silly tailgate latch. Both trucks have this huge tailgate latch area, for what? It is best styling wise to keep things to a minimum including the tailgate latch. Most custom truck owners remove or reverse the tailgate latch any ways, but the Nissan would need a custom tailgate to fix that.

    Have I driven one, no I haven't. No reason to. I have seen them and that is good enough. The Colorado is light duty and that is why it is praised for ride and handling. All these trucks and most cars are pretty much the same nowadays except for engines and some other minor differences. Even if the Colorado hasn't won any shoot-outs, that doesn't mean its a bad truck. Mostly from what I have read it comes up short on power, but who really needs more than that in these supper light duty trucks. Most only drive them on the road any ways with nothing in the back. Give me a four cylinder and leave it at that. Chevrolet in general have alot going for them with their reputation for longevity. My 1992 S10 will attest to that. Wouldn't it be boring if everyone had the same truck? To each his own. Happy trucking.
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