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Honda CR-V, Toyota RAV4 or Subaru Forester?



  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    Well there's no doubt I 'm spoiled by the Forester's greenhouse view of the world :P Which is probably why this trend towards higher and higher beltlines really annoys me. I drove an HHR as a rental for a week and it felt like I was peering out gun slits! :(

  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Between the "sloping roof" and the rakish belt lines, we're lucky to have rear windows at all.

    Sitting in the back seat of a 2004 TL felt claustrophobic compared with my wife's 2001, but in reality the leg, arm, and head space are very similar. It's just the smaller side windows which make it feel tighter than it truly is.
  • p0926p0926 Posts: 4,423
    Speaking of port holes and claustrophobic... there was a recent review of the Toyota FJ where they compared the view from the back seat as being similar to that as from a bathysphere :surprise:

  • Re annoyingly high beltlines / gun slit windows / sloping roofs: I hate them.
    Just hope that the manufacturers read these forums, and that this trend goes away soon.
    I'll hold on to our GenII CR-V, and our Pilot as long as possible.
    Our third car will likely be a Nissan XTerra (RWD, manual, boxy with plenty of cargo space and good views) instead of new CR-V.
  • sbgsbg Posts: 9
    Hi p0926 and others,
    I see your point p0926 and it makes sense but does the '07 CRV new sloping rear view window negatively affect merging on (specifically) the highway (cars at faster speeds and you need a longer field of vision and more driving distance to safely change lanes than on city streets?) Wish they had kept the square windows. When you get down to it safety is more important than looks. Also, does anyone know when would be a better time to purchase one (less demand, better prices, rear differential problem gone-discussed in other forum topic), Feb., March or April? Thanks!
  • gene_vgene_v Posts: 235
    Supposedly a new Ohio plant will come on line in second quarter, thus prices are to come down. Crv's presently come from Japan.
  • sbgsbg Posts: 9
    Thanks gene v, excuse my ignorance when does second quarter begin? Sorry varmint, I addressed p0296 instead when I said I could see your points about the rear window issues.
  • sbgsbg Posts: 9
    Also, about how much do you think the prices will go down? (For an LX AWD) Thanks again.
  • sbgsbg Posts: 9
    Varmint, I now see my question about highway visibility is silly (I'm a newbie) so disregard it but wish the 07's still had the old square windows, if I wanted sleek I would get a sportscar...
  • typesixtypesix Posts: 314
    Yes, the sloping roof is to blame. CR measures the biggest box that can fit thru the rear door opening and calls it useable space; whereas the car maker will count every nook and cranny in their cu ft measurement.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Not a silly question. There are some things you just need to experience from time to time. The fact that the bottom of the window extends all the way to the rear gives you a view of the road surface (where the cars are); but you can't tell that by looking at exterior pictures and reading forums.

    For my part, I'd challenge the notion that these windows are really worth much at all. I use mirrors. I certainly hope most people aren't whipping their heads around just to change lanes on the freeway.
  • bodble2bodble2 Posts: 4,519
    Maybe not on the freeway, but I would be a bit nervous not doing a quick shoulder-check on the city.
  • snoopy21snoopy21 Posts: 114
    just to be clear, the east liberty, ohio plant has already been producing the new CR-Vs since october (but it looks like they've all been going to canada so far). now, as supply increases, the prices dealers are willing to accept will decrease, but the MSRP will not. i've been a car nut for over 30 years and i have never seen a mid-year price decrease. prices paid, however, will fluctuate with supply and demand.
  • sbgsbg Posts: 9
    It seems that quite a lot of car buyers are concerned about the rear sloping window and overall design (read on other websites too.) If Honda listens to all the concerns and changes the design of that window (hopefully amongst other things like the weird front design, giving V6 as option etc.) what is the earliest a new model would become available? September? Even though supply is low and demand is high right now, if the new design is causing enough potential buyers to look at other SUV's could it possibly be even earlier? Thanks.
  • snoopy21snoopy21 Posts: 114
    honda's typical design cycle is 4 to 5 years. you may see some minor refreshing along the way as well as improvements (e.g., more horsepower, different options, etc.) but you won't be seeing anything radically different in a year or two; the lead time for stuff like that is simply too long and it's too addition to engineering and design, there's lining up suppliers, testing (including crash testing) and tooling.

    this is not to say that honda doesn't have a V6 planned though. manufacturers typically hold back certain things so that they can offer them incrementally with each new model year to keep a positive buzz on their cars and continue to entice people. that being said, honda has always marched to their own beat so who knows? the automotive press has always begged honda to put V8s in their big acura sedans and in the ridgeline pickup truck but they won't.

    besides, as you stated yourself, demand is high which means it is selling well and a lot of people do like it.
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    There's an old expression that goes, "Money talks and the opinions on internet forums can take a hike." ;)

    Right now, the CR-V is selling at a ridiculously fast pace. With more than 15K being sold each month, that's a whole lotta money talking in Honda's ear.

    Since 1997, Honda has proven that a good four cylinder engine can be remarkably competitive in this segment. Every manufacturer that's added a compact CUV to the segment has done so with a V6. Only one of them has seriously challenged the CR-V for dominance and, even then, only did so with fleet sales and large incentives. So, frankly, I don't see a V6 coming until the next full model change in 2011.

    What I do think we'll see is a refreshed I4. Honda has a new VTEC system over in Japan. We may see it first on next year's Accord. Then it should make its way to the CR-V in 2009 or 2010.
  • snoopy21snoopy21 Posts: 114
    There's an old expression that goes, "Money talks and the opinions on internet forums can take a hike."

    hilarious! :)

    yup, according to car & driver magazine, the CR-V still outsold every other vehicle in its segment in 2006 except the ford escape even though it only had a 4-cylinder engine, had no optional 3rd row, and was in the last year of its previous-generation design. not to say that it wouldn't sell better with a V6 but it's pretty clear that honda knows what it's doing with the new CR-V.

    oh, and i found this tidbit. from the honda's CR-V project leader, Mitsuru Horikoshi: “It’s not that we didn’t consider a V-6 and a third row. It’s that it clashed with the concept of CR-V.”
  • varmintvarmint Posts: 6,326
    Well, it's hilarious until I recall that my opinion is one of those being posted on internet forums. I want a restyled front clip! :cry:
  • snoopy21snoopy21 Posts: 114
    ha-ha, i too hated :P the front end treatment. i also hated the downward taper of the side glass. but, somewhere along the way, the strangest thing happened...i started to like it :P now, i have to say that like it very much! LOL

    i guess that's just how it is sometimes. lookit what BMW did with the current-generation 7-series and that "backpack on top of the trunk" treatment...oh man, is that ugly. the worse part though is that, although there is near universal criticism, other manufacturers have been following suit (e.g., acura RL, toyota camry). i hope that look never grows on me.

    i do very much like the move away from the external mounted spare tire and the top-hinged hatch :)
  • 101010101010 Posts: 3
    Honda seems to be offering a manual transmission of the 2007 CRV in the UK in both gas (sorry petrol) and diesel. Any possibility that they will bring it to the US.

    I called Honda customer service a couple of months ago and specifically asked them if they made a manual transmission version for any market (Europe? Asia?) and they said "No" ... I sort of feel like they lied to me.

    Auto Transmission is a non-starter with me.
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