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Ban all car ads now!

scott1256scott1256 Posts: 531
edited March 21 in Toyota
There is a proposal in the San Francisco Chronicle today to ban all car advertising. The author uses the tobacco ad ban to support the idea.

"In 1969...Congress finally passed a law....ended cigarette ads... forever. I propose..a similar ban on all automobile-related advertising...mitigate the lusting after cars and the need to purchase a new one every few years"

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/02/06/EDG- - U9GJCDM1.DTL
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  • prosaprosa Posts: 280
    One unavoidable consequence of America's freedom of speech is the right to say stupid things. Has the writer of this opinion piece considered the economic consequences of a big drop in auto sales?
  • Would people buy less cars because they see fewer ads on television?

    I don't think so.

    I've always been amazed by the amount of money spent by auto manufacturers on advertising. It seems like the auto industry is single-handedly paying for all of network television.

    Personally, I've NEVER been swayed by a television ad. I buy my cars based on my finances, my wants and my evaluation of (mostly) objective analysis.

    I think that the auto manufacturers think they're going to increase market share by advertising... but I don't think that they're trying to increase market size by advertising.
  • mirthmirth Posts: 1,212
    ...that we need to absorb from that article is that there is a large group of people in this country that honestly believe that banning auto ads or legislatively forcing people to buy only bland subcompacts is a reasonable thing to do. They truly believe that the sky is falling and that the average American is too stupid to see it. So only these "enlightened" few who know what's best for us all should be allowed to make these decisions. Let's hope they never get that power. Naturally, none of them understand that some of us actually enjoy driving and love our cars. Such trivialities aren't important if you're "saving the world".
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,071
    Funny thing is these are the same people who often forgo deodorant and are still having promiscuous sex with many anonymous partners without protection while at the same time experimenting with mind-expanding drugs in a consequence-free environment.
  • mirthmirth Posts: 1,212
    ...if the sky is falling and the world is ending, might as well have fun, right? ;)
  • carlisimocarlisimo Posts: 1,280
    If they're right, then the pleasure of driving certainly is trivial.

    They're entitled to try to convince everyone that they're right, and if they do so, and car fans let them, we're screwed. The automotive world could find itself in the same position as the tobacco industry within a few decades. Look at how suddenly that revolt happened. Learn from it. Auto manufacturers and media simply have to appeal to non-enthusiasts to survive, and that includes the moderate environmentalist movement which is moving into the mainstream.

    Right or wrong (and I don't think any of us know as much as we think we do), it's a good business decision to maintain a good name.
  • socala4socala4 Posts: 2,427
    It's just one guy's opinion and he's a travel writer, not a politician or lobbyist, so I wouldn't panic about it.

    There will always be people in our society, on both ends of the political spectrum, who seek to protect us from ourselves or police our individuality morality. Make sure that you let them know that you aren't in need of their help, irrespective of whether they are liberals or conservatives.

    (FYI, Lemko, as one of those promiscuous types myself, I find that the deodorant actually helps with that...)
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    well, you seems to be quite informative above their lifestyle...
  • andre1969andre1969 Posts: 21,594
    Waittaminute, you mean these people are French?! :P
  • fintailfintail Posts: 32,917
    What an idiotic idea. Personally speaking, ads do nothing to make me want a car. I think a lot of people simply either want the status conveyed by a machine, or actually have an attraction to the machinery itself.
  • the ads actually act in reverse. Seeing a dull, re-designed 2007 Toyota Camry in an ad only makes me pick it to shreds in my mind.

    On the other hand, seeing an ad for an oversized, gas-guzzling (that's not the key negatory reason, either, we're not talking tree-hugging here, we are talking excess)pick-em-up truck or SUV from Motown and associates only helps me solidify my desire for compact and subcompact SUV's and cars.

    It is true, for the car enthusiast, the ads are quick window treatment that do little or nothing to sway their purchase decision.

    Fundamentally though, I would never be in the camp that would advocate a ban of car advertising. Let's ban tobacco TV ads (yes, it's been done) and be real progressive and actually ban alcohol advertsing before we even plop the idea of banning car advertsing on our executive decision table.

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • carlisimocarlisimo Posts: 1,280
    Car enthusiasts are probably considered "lost causes" to the anti-car group. They're trying to prevent kids and young people from liking cars, as if it worked exactly the same as cigarette ads (which it sorta does).

    As we become more aware of environmental issues (and their effects become more noticeable), the anti-car group is growing. It's PC, and horsepower isn't. If history is any indication, things that are PC always win out in the long run. (I don't like that, but it seems to be true.)

    Auto manufacturers' PR people really have to address in the next few years, and not by brute force. I think they're going to have to show some self-restraint for the good of their future, and soften up in the eyes of the public. Otherwise at some point, political groups made up of mothers or something are going to be able to press for the kind of government regulations we don't want, and they'll have all the statistics, moral high ground, and quantity of votes.

    You can call them crazy, but they're stupid, and they're only gaining traction.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,071
    "They're trying to prevent kids and young people from liking cars, as if it worked exactly the same as cigarette ads (which it sorta does)."

    Remember the episode where Stan and the gang are forced to watch the lame troupe of dancers/rappers called "Butt Out?" The dancers tell them if they don't smoke, the kids could grow up to be just like them! Then Stan, Kyle, Cartman, and Kenny are behind the school chain-smoking a carton of cigarettes.

    Later on they encounter a sweaty, asthmatic, morbidly obese Rob Reiner. He's lecturing everybody about the evils of second-hand smoke while scarfing down one Big Mac after another.
  • ctalkctalk Posts: 646
    Has the writer of this opinion piece considered the economic consequences of a big drop in auto sales?

    He focused more on the environmental benefits.

    The auto industry is very important to the economy. It supplys jobs, and simply helps keep the economy running. If we take car ads away, will this effect the economy? Auto sales will go down, resulting in a loss of jobs. There are a lot of consequences we must consider. The writer seemed to ignore these consequences we might face.
  • nwngnwng Posts: 664
    car ads do nothing for me either, unless they have jessica alba in it, but then my wife would switch the channel :( .

    I want to own an ultimate driving machine regardless of what the ad says.

    No wait, I have tmobile becuase I saw what's her name in the commercials, my jaws dropped until my wife stood in front of the TV. Went to check it out and they do have the best deal around. So I think ads do work in everyday purchases, but not so much for an automobile.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,071
    ...that when the economy falls off, nobody gives a darn about the environment. Look at just about any economically depressed area. The environment is awful whether it's an inner city slum in Philadelphia or the cratered, strip-mined mess of the NE Pennsylania anthracite coal region.
  • Bingo! When an area becomes economically depressed, the first and only concern is bringing that area back up economically. The environment tends to get better as the depression lifts, naturally.

    I have a knee-jerk reaction when I hear that anyone wants to BAN yet another activity. Banning car ads is rather absurd, and if you follow the reasoning to its illogical conculsions, we could eventually find a reason for banning ALL advertising. I guess I'd really have to get into PBS then.

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  • all the adds in general, including their annoying raise in volume are enough to drive me straight to PBS. Or a satellite movie channel or two or three or four. It's great to watch movies with no commercial interruptions, isn't it? ;)

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

  • 210delray210delray Posts: 4,722
    ...that show ads work at all in getting a person to buy a given product? Maybe switch brands, but not actually go out and get something they didn't have before. OTOH, I guess all a manufacturer needs is to steer consumers to its product instead of someone else's.

    Still, call me a born skeptic, but I can't see how the millions thrown into advertising really makes that much of a difference.

    One of the reasons I hardly watch TV are the commercial breaks that go on and on. In the car, I switch radio stations constantly to avoid commercials (except when I listen to NPR).

    And even now when you go to the movies, you have to sit through commercials at the beginning. Previews okay, commercials NO!
  • saw commercials at the movies. Here I am to see a first run movie and expect uninterrupted viewing fun and they start the thing out with commercials...loud and huge! :sick:

    2008 Mitsubishi Lancer GTS

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