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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,972
    edited January 2013
    I just posted a snarky comment on the repair/maintenance discussion.
    Re reading it here, the remote unlocks the door(s), but the Push Button Start doesn't work?
    The reason they get into the parking lot is that they are already running.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 4,282
    "It seems to be affecting everybody with keyless entry and remotes," said Davis, "with push button starts in their cars."

    Very interesting. Luckily, I have one of those cars that has both push-button start and can start with a key. I just pull the push-button start button out of its housing and can then insert the plastic end of my remote into the slot and the car can be started manually by turning the key to start the engine.

    I have owned cars with push button start that could only be started by pushing the start button.

    Scary, isn't it - radio frequency interference. Very interesting.

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  • tjc78tjc78 JerseyPosts: 5,025
    Most cars have a fail safe. My Buick has a spot under the cupholders where you put the "key" in. It also has a flip out "real" key to gain access to the car. My Genesis was very similar except it had a slot on the dashboard. I know Nissans have a slot too (under the dash somewhere). I think these people in the parking lot, didn't read their manuals.

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  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,839
    there is a variable in bowling - oiling the alleys and waxing the alleys.
    Do you agree, driver?


    I am not an expert on bowling, though we have been going on Sunday mornings because my SIL is trying to develop some strength in her arm...following an operation. btw...it has been fun and I got my highest score last weekend, 157. Just 3 weeks ago we were trying to break 100!

    The fellow I know who does bowl and averages about 200 a game said those variables are accounted for when you practice before you play. We actualy don't practice ourselves, we are just playing for fun. The expert said that the alley can vary, but, you get a chance to learn those variables before you start, so there are no outside factors.

    Mike, I am just the messenger. I can see why you are saying there are variables, but, he is seeing those variables in a way that can be accounted for.

    I have to ask you, do you see why he said what he did? I hate to waffle again, but I think it depends on whether you count the practice as being a way to overcome the intangible factors.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 31,211
    That would be analogous to a golfer saying that wind has no effect on his game, because he can practice on the driving range before his round..

    Lane conditions matter greatly in bowling and adjusting to them is a matter of skill and experience. Not only that, the conditions change during a match.. oil is pushed around by the ten bowlers using the lanes, and adjusting to that quickly is necessary..

    It's a very cerebral sport that requires the player to imbibe alcohol.... So, there is that, as well... (I think that's where the term, "handicap", comes in...)

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  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,839
    Shoppers pull into the parking lot and shut off their vehicles. When they come back to them, they suddenly won't start.

    That is freaky....and would be very annoying.

    Yesterday, we went out of town, about an hour North of where we live. When we got out of the door I went to lock the car - by touching the door handle - and it wouldn't lock. I went to reach in my pocket for my keys and found they weren't there. I realized I had left my keys at home.

    I could start and drive the car because my wife had her key for the car on her. A good thing in a way, but fortunately there wasn't another key on my key chain that I needed that day. It would have been worse if we were travelling 1500 miles home and I left my house key and office key in Florida.

    I felt kind of naked walking around 70 miles from home, without my keys.

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  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,839
    Not only that, the conditions change during a match..

    I think you have convinced me....there are variables in bowling. Can I at least say, they aren't as great as in other sports such as golf or tennis? In golf there is the unknown, gust of wind, slippery grass, you can miss the mark by driving the ball too far (whereas bowling the ball always stops at the end of the alley).
    In tennis your shot depends on what the other player does. Clay courts are uneven, so ball can bounce at an odd angle. Also wind and humidity and even the sun are factors.

    So, can you at least give me that? There are variables, but not as great, and not as many.

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  • mako1amako1a VirginiaPosts: 1,776
    there is a variable in bowling

    Not for me. I'm what is called a straight bowler.

    No hook, just aim for 3 inches right or left of the head pin.

    I usually get 175-210. It won't ever get better or worse

    because there are no variables except my ball launch.

    2013 Mustang GT, 2006 Silverado 2500 LT HD, 2001 GMC Yukon Denali

  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,548
    Someone finds that ad offensive? If I were VW, I'd double the amount of showings for it, then. Who in their right mind find that offensive? Who were those 2 people on CNN. They need to get a life.

    driver....it's not often I'd say I prefer a previous generation of any car over the current model. But, I will say that about the 3 Series. I prefer the E90 over the F30, for all the reasons you listed. The previous generation really was/is sportier. It also seems like it's much more of a solid piece, better thought out, than the new one.
  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,839
    . It also seems like it's much more of a solid piece, better thought out, than the new one.

    And the new one has that silly GPS screen that is sticking up like it was an afterthought. Even the previous model had it built into the dash.
    We were going to buy a 2013 just out of habit, and it was a business decision to replace the 5 year old 335, but I know we weren't that excited about what we would be getting. The Audi changed that...it felt like what the 3 Series should have been like.

    2015 Mercedes-Benz E400 , 2013 Audi A4, 2013 VW Passat

  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,839
    No hook, just aim for 3 inches right or left of the head pin.

    I don't know what I am called. I aim for the spot on the floor to the far right. The ball usually curves slightly and just hits to the side of the head pin if I am lucky.

    I love the way some bowlers have a big curve and they do it consistantly. They seems to have a big advantage because the ball curves right in on an angle, and the pins fall like dominoes.

    We have covered a lot of topics here but never in my wildest dreams would I have thought we would be talking about bowling.

    2015 Mercedes-Benz E400 , 2013 Audi A4, 2013 VW Passat

  • imidazol97imidazol97 Crossroads of America: I70 & I75Posts: 18,540
    >the remote unlocks the door(s),

    As I read it the remote does not unlock the door as they return to the car. It sounds as if it's one of the automatic systems that senses the remote/keys are in the area and unlocks.
  • stickguystickguy Posts: 15,677
    our new RDX has the keyless/pushbutton system. It does come with a "real" key that you can use to unlock the doors, but I am almost positive there is no override for the start button (a trip to the owners manual later can confirm that!)

    so it sounds like i would have been able to get into the car, but quite likely not start it.

    My wife loves the feature, and would never buy another car without it. I, on the other hand, think of negative scenarios like this, and would be perfectly happy staying with a fob and key (remote keyless I would never give up! I just like the back-up system)

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  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,043
    ...you guys are doing that easy bowling. Try candlepin -popular here in New England and the Maritimes of Canada. No hooks. Just straight ball release and taking advantage of the fallen pins.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,043
    Well, today we went to an exhibit in lakeland FL about one hour North of us. It was a Snowbirds Assoc show. I hate these things.

    Then why did you go?
  • mako1amako1a VirginiaPosts: 1,776
    Try candlepin

    That and Duckpins is what I learned on. Duckpins have a small ball with no holes. My grandma used to take me to Trocarino Lanes when I was a kid.

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  • What does the board think about using professional car negotiators, any experiences out there?
  • mako1amako1a VirginiaPosts: 1,776
    That just adds one more layer of profit taking from your wallet.

    Start with a dealer you feel comfortable with. Then learn to negotiate.

    If you feel like they're more interested in their dollars than your car, leave.

    We have a dodge dealer in town that would skin Lee Iacocca on a purchase.

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  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,839
    Well, today we went to an exhibit in lakeland FL about one hour North of us. It was a Snowbirds Assoc show. I hate these things.
    Then why did you go?


    Good question! We went because we had nver been before and there just might have been something that was important, or that would have given us new ideas, or we could even run into someone we know.

    The performers were excellent, comedians, singers and we saw a full orchestra do songs from the 50s and they were excellent (always nice to see young people sing so well and appreciate music when it really was music). They featured John McDermott and Michelle Wright who are excellent Canadian singers....no Justin Beiber though.

    I would say the trip was interesting...took a new route, saw some of Lakeland, listenned to some good music, got to try Chick-Fil-A, so it was a pleasant day...and I learned some valuable information, don't bother going next year.

    One other thing...if people ask I can tell them what I thought about it. I once read the good thing about a bad experience is that it usually gives you a good story to talk about....that's how I look at my $200 speeding ticket, people love that story.

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  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,839
    What does the board think about using professional car negotiators, any experiences out there?

    Do your homework and do it yourself. Find out what your car is worth, "wholesale" and use Edmunds tools to find out what the new car should cost you.

    I used a broker once and he bought an 86 Celebrity. When I went to turn on the air conditioner I found out he didn't mark it down on the order form. It could have been worse if he didn't try to make it right, but, he sent me in for an aftermarket a/c unit. It worked OK but didn't really look as nice or work as well as original equipment, and someone might not like it when I trade in the car.

    Unless you are totally hopeless about doing the research (and you probably aren't if you got this far to ask us), then go it alone.

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  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,839
    Try candlepin -popular here in New England

    OK, I give up, what is candlepin or duckpin?

    In Canada bowling is played with 5 smaller pins and a much smaller ball, about the size of a softball. I think you have to get the far left pin to get points, and the pins have different values. I find 10 pin is better, and is even more popular now in Canada. But candlepin or duckpin...I don't know.

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  • verdugoverdugo Posts: 2,021
    We have a dodge dealer in town that would skin Lee Iacocca on a purchase.

    LOL That was funny.
  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,043
    edited January 2013
  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 8,018
    I've done that candlepin bowling once and can't stand it! In my part of (WAY) Southern New England, they still have "normal" bowling:)

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  • Kirstie_HKirstie_H Posts: 10,918
    Well, your userID suggests that that's what you do. I'm not sure what you're looking for here, but most members in this discussion are experienced, savvy car buyers, and aren't likely to recommend such services - someone pays the professional negotiator, so whatever that fee is is $X more than the consumer could have paid himself by making his best deal.

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  • nyccarguynyccarguy Stamford, CTPosts: 8,018
    I wouldn't even entertain the thought of using a "professional" car negotiator. Just do some research & have a lot of patience.

    I recently helped a friend lease a 2013 VW Tiguan SE w/ Sunroof & Navigation. I was able to negotiate a selling price that was basically invoice minus hold back. I got her the base money factor too. How much better could a "profesional" have done?

    I did everything via email and didn't set foot in the dealership until it was time to take delivery of the car.

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  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,839
    Google is your friend:

    Why didn't I think of that? I had no idea there would be these variations on the game of bowling. Makes it difficult if you are an avid bowler and you move to one of these areas. I think it would be simpler, if we all just played the same game. Then we would be comparing our ducks to ducks and candles to candles and we could all know what our real scores are.

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  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,839
    but most members in this discussion are experienced, savvy car buyers,

    Yeh, and we can answer any problems about buying refrigerators, dishwashers, washer dryers, windows, motor oil, tires, dishwasher detergent, bowling, returning a watch to CVS, waxing your car, etc.

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  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 12,839
    A fellow at tennis said he bought a 2006 Azera with 7000 miles on it, less than a year old. It totally broke down 8 times. Head office people looked at it and couldn't find the problem. He could have taken it to arbitration, but, the dealer said, just pick out a new Azera and we will trade you even.

    When he went to look at the new model Azera he saw a Genesis. He loved it. The manager said he could have the Genesis instead, but he would have to pay the difference, a few thousand dollars. That is what he did and he loves the Genesis.

    I was thinking JMonroe (wherever he is these days) should have brought his car down to Tampa, they sound a lot more reasonable down here.

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  • robr2robr2 BostonPosts: 8,043
    Makes it difficult if you are an avid bowler and you move to one of these areas.

    All the candlepin alleys I've ever been to in New England always have some 10 pin lanes. They usually are pretty empty. It's a special treat when we bowl "big ball".
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