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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,048
    Let's just say that the chances of using your own firearm to actually defend yourself or your family from harm is infinitesimally small, compared to the chances that the same firearm will be used to harm you or your family.. (either by a family member or someone else)..

    I fully support constitutional rights, but most households would be safer without a firearm on the premises... maybe, they should just buy the warning signs, like we put out for home security... We don't have a security system, but the burglars think we do... ;)

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  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,158
    Kirstie....funny, my son came into town last night from his job at Ohio State. He's as much as a car enthusiast as I am. He said the new trend at the University is to put plain steel rims (the rustier the better) on BMWs, Acuras, etc. He said the students who are living on trust funds get bored and have started this trend. I guess local junk yards can't keep them in stock.

    Go figure.

    Mike, when I had my heart attack a couple of years ago, they had me on morphine, too. Like Fezo, while I don't remember much pain after the initial dose (the heart attack itself hurt like a mother), I do remember being paranoid, but not really caring one way or the other. Weird drug. Can't understand how someone would want to be addicted to it. It does a number on you if you're in pain, though.

    Driver....maybe I shouldn't think this way. But, what if the guy who disappeared showing his truck to pontential buyers did so on purpose? Maybe he had it planeed out in advance? Actually, I hope that's the case and not what could be (kidnapped or murdered). If someone wanted a truck, just take it. Why go through the trouble of doing something much more sinister?
  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,874
    I fully support constitutional rights, but most households would be safer without a firearm on the premises.

    In 2010 there were 606 deaths in the U.S. from accidental shootings, while estimates of people who successfully defended themselves range from a low of around 370,000 to a high of 2.5 million.

    These stats are from "The Law Center To Prevent Gun Violence".

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,048
    Lies, damned lies and statistics?

    Any suicides included in that figure? What about intentional shootings?

    From the CDC:

    In 2009, suicide deaths by firearm: 19,392

    That's just one category of firearm deaths that I cherry-picked...

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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,874
    I wouldn't classify suicide as an accidental shooting. Lots of ways to do yourself in. One of the few things that the gov. can't control. Maybe you could get Al Gore to start a campaign on the danger to humanity of bridges and tall buildings. :)

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,048
    I agree.. suicide is not accidental..

    But, I never meant to assert that the danger of a gun in the home was only accidental death (and, I don't think I did).. I just think having a gun in the home actually makes you less safe..

    32,000 gun deaths per year in the U.S.
    Driving a car is safer than owning a gun.. (And.... Back on topic!). ;)

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  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,640
    Please folks, leave your political thoughts at the door. The one great thing about this forum is that we don't touch on sensitive subjects like religion and politics, so please, let's keep it that way. I'd hate to have to leave this forum due to people spouting their "opinions" on these subjects. let's keep things light...please!

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  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,640
    I thank G-d for the morphine sulfate that I am taking as it lets me live basically. The two side effects you mention I've dealt with for awhile now but they are things that I just live with...the benefits far outweigh these minor irritations. Of all the meds that we tried, this one just works so I can function and just get on with things...our situations are a bit different as after a few weeks or so, your pain will go away. Mine is constant and is always there, in the background...the meds help me deal with it in a productive way.

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

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  • houdini1houdini1 Kansas City areaPosts: 5,874
    Well, at least sandy understands that guns are a political issue, not a safety issue. A good civil discussion and my last post on this topic.

    My stats show only about 8,000 gun related deaths in 2011. Of these, 99% were with already illegal guns, and mostly committed by very bad guys.

    Let's enforce the laws we already have, instead of taking guns from the good guys. Just saying.

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  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,514
    I thank G-d for the morphine sulfate that I am taking as it lets me live basically.

    Sandy, those drugs have other effects as well. They can make you nauseous, dizzy, and since you do a lot of driving, they can be dangerous. If you are involved in an accident and they do a blood test on you, it could cause some serious legal problems for you as well. Narcotics can be detected in your blood for a month after you last took them.

    Just be careful with those drugs.

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  • explorerx4explorerx4 Central CTPosts: 9,622
    edited May 2013
    My next door neighbor just sold his 10 year old Saab.
    I asked him where he advertised it and it was a local free paper.
    You can also view it online.
    I looked at his ad. It was a good ad, but no picture and it did NOT include a price.
    He seemed happy with what he got for it.
  • jayriderjayrider Posts: 3,264
    The key for opiate use for pain is that it works and without it your life can be unlivable. You are dependent on them to improve everyday functioning. That is different from being addicted as in abuser. You take them to be involved in living -- not to escape the struggles we all have in our lives. Still, they do need monitoring -- be thankful you found something that works. Chronic pain is a b****.
  • mako1amako1a VirginiaPosts: 1,655
    I've never owned a Saab, but from what I've seen they hold value for about 5 minutes.
    My cousin has one and loves it because they have so many personal comfort settings that they tailor themselves to the driver. Then again I've seen them in an auction setting with some of the lowest bids ever recorded. Perhaps they need a guaranteed trade-in or buyback incentive.

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  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,486
    edited May 2013
    Saab is one of the saddest stories. On Top Gear they showed late 80s Saab 900 and contemporary BMW 3-series dropped by a crane from several stories on their tops. It was staggering to see the difference. Saabs were probably safest cars on road, but nobody knew that. The rally version was strong it did not need safety cage (it still needed it by regulation, but the body was actually strong enough without it). Unfortunately, at that time, people would rather pay for new stereo than for actual safety. Saabs were too expensive for peoples' priorities of the time. BTW it is too late for any program, Saab is gone.

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  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,640
    The amount I take is pretty low actually since I can't take many drugs...even the pharmacist mentioned it's a relatively low dose. I get tested at the doc's office at least twice a year and so far everything is kosher. It has no effect on my driving or thought process at all!

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  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,640
    Absolutely...I can live again with their "monitored" use and don't abuse them. For those who've never experienced chronic pain, it really is very hard to live with as it invades every facet of your life...it never gives up and it is relentless. These meds help me "manage" it so I can function normally thus the difference between them and a recreational one...trust me, if I didn't need them to live, I'd never take them as I usually hate any kind of medication...period!

    The Sandman :) :sick: :shades:

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  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,514
    The amount I take is pretty low actually since I can't take many drugs...

    Good - I am just worried about your health. I have 30mg tablets of morphine sulphate. I am to take 1-2 tablets every 4 hours for the first couple of days, then reduce the dosage to no more than 1 tablet every 4 hours. I took these after getting out of the hospital and it sure gave me a buzz and constipated me.

    But low dosages I would image would be more tolerable.

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  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 11,794
    what if the guy who disappeared showing his truck to pontential buyers did so on purpose?

    I considered that too. A few things though, they did find his cell phone a few miles away.

    The same two guys looked at another truck a few days earlier, they didn't do anything but the guy selling the truck was a huge guy - might not have wanted to mess with him.

    Police say the missing guy has no enemies. He seemed to be a happy family guy with no problems.

    But, you never know...that would be wierd too though!

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  • ken117ken117 Posts: 189
    Better to thank a scientist and then drop a letter to your elected representatives to support scientific research.
  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 11,794
    y showed late 80s Saab 900 and contemporary BMW 3-series dropped by a crane

    My wife liked Volvos for their safety. In 1992 she needed a hatchback and so she leased a 1992 Saab. It was a great handling car, and was solid as a rock....it really felt safe. The Saab was a manual and you just new the engineers who made it knew what they were doing.

    That was the last Saab before GM got their hands on the company. I think they started using parts from the GM bin after that, and Saab was no longer a Saab....it was a SOB!
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  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,158
    driver....maybe shows how cynical I am, but the first thing I thought about reading about the guy showing his truck and then disappearing was he did so on purpose.

    Now, there would be easier ways to end a relationship, or to remove yourself from your marriage. But, under the guise of a test drive and then disappearing would certainly be the least messy. Could explain why the cell phone was tossed, too. Of course, not sure if it's legal to just disappear leaving a wife and child behind in the lurch. At best, the guy would be a real jacka** for doing so. At least he'd be alive and supposedly unharmed.

    SAABs....older sister (not the one who just bought the Acura) used to love those cars. I think the last one she had was a 9-5. Not sure the year, but probably early oughts? I think she had a couple of 900s at one point, too....one a turbo. Talk about turbo lag. You'd wait a second or two after pressing down on the accelerator when nothing happened. Then.....WHOOSH.......hang on to the steering wheel tight as you hit terminal velocity.

    Last I saw, there was one SAAB dealership in this area. He closed up shop a couple of years ago, though. I know he had a tiny dealership across the street from my favorite food market. He had a big sign out front before he closed his doors that said something like....

    "Any SAAB in stock 1/2 off MSRP." I still see the last ones SAAB put out. Not bad looking cars at all.

    I think GM still has to cover their warranty don't they?
  • driver100driver100 Burlington, ON 7 mo/Tampa FL 5 moPosts: 11,794
    I thought about reading about the guy showing his truck and then disappearing was he did so on purpose

    GG, I don't think you were overly cynical at all in thinking the guy just wanted to find a way to escape. Especially these days, people have tried all kinds of ways to do that....there are still some people who made a new life after 9/11.

    Just an update. One of the guys who came to test drive the truck had an unusual tattoo, it says "ambition" with a square box around it. He test drove another truck a few days before. They have caught that guy....hopefully he tells them something.

    About Saabs, I test drove a 2008 convertible and it was a blast to drive. Nicely balanced too, great engineering. I ended up with the bmw though, for about $5000 more I got a hardtop convertible, RWD, up to the minute engineering, and a car that would hold it's value a lot better.

    Since GM didn't have the money to put into Saab, I would research the reliability of a Saab before buying a used one.......but, they don't disappoint as far as being fun to drive.

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  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,158
    OK....so a few months ago I had made reservations for a cruise on Norwegian for the (then) GF and me. Obviously, I'm now a "solo". Never done anything like this before (sailing solo), but since it was paid for, and cancelling would have cost at least a hefty portion of what I paid, I decided to go.

    So, this cruise is sailing 3 weeks from today out of NYC. Because of several reasons, I can not fly into NYC until the day of the cruise. And, the earliest flight I can get (from any airport within a 100 mile radius) flies out of Cincinnati at 9:20 a.m. I land at LGA at 11:20 a.m. Not much in the way of leeway if something goes awry with the flight. Cruise leaves port at 4:00 p.m. I have to be aboard by 2:00 p.m.

    So, I have fingers crossed that there are no flight delays, the weather is fine, that Delta actually has a flight crew that shows up on time, that they have enough ground crew to handle the take off and landing, that Delta doesn't come up with some excuse that makes no sense they can't take off on time, etc. I don't know how far the cruise terminals are from LGA. Let's say that I land on time. That my luggage is off-loaded quickly (Is LaGuardia pretty efficient? I have flown into JFK and Newark, but never LaGuardia), that taxis are plentiful and immediately available.

    Is it realistic to think a have a good chance of making this sailing? Or am I being delusional?

    I might be able to fly into NYC on the Saturday before. But, aside from the cost (~$300/night for a hotel in Manhattan for a place to sleep :surprise: ), I would really have to do some major work and personal shuffling to do so.
  • dino001dino001 Tampa, FLPosts: 3,486
    The funny part was that Saabs of that time were much safer than Volvos, but nobody knew that.

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  • sandman_6472sandman_6472 Coral Springs, FLPosts: 2,640
    Is this the S4 lady? Sorry to hear if it is but think you'll have a great time anyways. You can be yourself on the high seas and just enjoy yourself. Sometimes being alone for a spell kinda puts one's life into perspective. But am sorry if you are.

    Have heard from folks that the Norwegian cruises are top notch and we are planning to do one next May, the calmest months down South here. I just hope the ships are "cane" friendly and that I don't get seasick, which has happened in the past. But I hear cruises are the best vacations bar none and the party starts the moment one gets on board! Can't wait to see if this is true!

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  • graphicguygraphicguy SW OhioPosts: 7,158
    sandman....you're right.

    I have no issues going solo. Just want to make certain I don't literally "miss the boat" and the odds of actually flying to LGA, landing and deplaning on time, negotiating luggage retrieval, getting a ride to the pier, negotiating the pier's crowd and boarding by 1-2 p.m.
  • abacomikeabacomike South FloridaPosts: 3,514
    I have no issues going solo. Just want to make certain I don't literally "miss the boat"...

    From LaGuardia to the west side of Manhattan is about a 45 minute drive with no traffic. I believe you said the cruise is on a Sunday - so traffic should not be too bad. You'll probably go over to Manhattan.via the 59th St. Bridge (Queensborough Bridge) then straight west to the Hudson River. You should be OK. You have 2-1/2 hours at least to get from the airport to the west side, which is plenty of time on a Sunday.

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  • kyfdxkyfdx Posts: 28,048
    What day of the week are you flying in?

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  • bwiabwia Boston Posts: 1,195
    Happy Mothers' Day to all the mothers, stepmothers, grandmothers and the men who play the role of mothers in the family.

    A special shout-out to our endearing host Kirstie. Enjoy your day!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,652
    edited May 2013
    For the dollars spent there is no better value than a cruise!

    You will be bombarded with sales pitches however. They sell watches, have art auctions etc. They constantly take photos that you can buy if you so desire. The excursions they try to sell you at the various ports can be expensive too.

    Now, you don't have to do any of these things but be aware that they do add up. Our last crusie was on Norwegian and a beer was 8.00.

    They sell spa treatments and their casinos are a great place (trust me) to drop
    a few bucks in a hurry!

    Also be aware that the prices for bar drinks INCLUDE a 15% gratituty even though there is a line to add another tip.

    Norwegian was fine but we perfer Royal Caribbean. We wouldn't hesitate to
    take Norwegian again.

    GG...man...if there is ANY way to get into NYC a day early, try to do it.

    Just so many things that can happen, it's tough sweating it out.
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