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2007 and newer Lincoln Navigators

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  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I'm waiting to see how y'all want your crow served up

    Crow is a dish that is best served cold........ :sick:
  • heyjewelheyjewel Posts: 1,046
    Well, I just saw my first 2007 Nav in person when I went to pick up my Nav from the shop (I busted the multifunction stalk and they fixed it - under warrantee, thank you very much.)

    My opinion is not much different. Though I do think the front end might grow on me, I find the instrument panel to have no redeeming qualities. Ugly black plastic for the vents - blech. Guages from a 78 Ford Granada? Blech. Center stack with cheap looking wood? Ugh. Really just a travesty when compared with what was in the truck. I'll bet they did it because they saved maybe $50.00 per vehicle It definitely is NOT a selling feature of the new one.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Hmmmmm. I agree with you totally on the guages - this retro thing should only apply to retro cars - and this isn't one. But other than that, I thought it was nice inside. I was much more favorably impressed than I thought I would be.
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    Have you guys noticed a difference in the seats? I sat and poked around in the new Nav at a car show so maybe I was just tired, but the new seats felt VERY soft and cushy. It almost seemed like the cushions had a pillow top. The carpeting also felt VERY thick and plush.

    The new center wood I saw was a light brown -- the center stack, to me, seemed more "substantial" and richer than the silver, plasticky stack on the '03 I once owned. Tapping on the center console produced a nice "thunk".

    I was never a big fan of the fold-down plastic lid, nor of the brushed aluminum look of the earlier Nav center stack. In my opinion it looked nice, but not too elegant.

    The jury is still out for me on this new look. I can say this, it does look better with repeated viewing.

    The things is, I am trying to CONVINCE myself to like the redesign because I like the suv in general.

    Having to convince myself I like it is NOT a good thing. A successful redesign in my mind would've had me drooling for a new Navigator at first sight.

    The biggest factor for me will be how the new truck drives. HP and oomph was fine for me in the '03 but the noise-vibration-harshness attributes while on the freeway was below par in my truck.

    I want a buttery smooth and ultra quiet ride --don't know if the new NAV (or ANY large SUV) can give me that, though.

    Any test-drivers out there care to comment on the ride?
  • ckelly14ckelly14 Posts: 105
    I went out for a test in a 2007 Navigator drive during lunch today. A few thoughts:

    1. I like the exterior design. The power running boards and the chrome strip down the side is a bit high on the cheese factor but the exterior is not a show-stopper for me.
    2. Interior: The blond wood is excellent. However, the interior plastic is of such poor quality that it defies explanation. It looks painted. The right side of the dash has a huge swath of it over the airbag and it's just hideous. I don't mind the throw-back gauges but they are hard to read.
    3. Ride. Acceleration is adequate. Felt less stable at all speeds, with more vibration and wind noise, then the Yukon Denali I rode in. Wallows around like a pregnant dog.
    4. Interior room. Second row was much better than the Denali. Third row was cramped but easy enter/exit. Fold-Away seat required a very high load level which seemed to diminish the interior space.

    In general, fit and finished were far below what I would expect in a 59K SUV. I would buy a fully loaded Yukon Denali for 53K anytime over the Lincoln..
  • i must say a few words on the lincoln navigator myself. i did take a test drive for about an hour. it was a 4x4 black ultimate with all options listed. had a chrome lip as well very elegant suv must say.
    ok my impressions.
    exterior: very nice i will rate it 10 out of 10. i have to say i did not like the beast when it first showed itself in april i do believe. ever angle of this suv is really nice. the rear bumper doesnt not have reverse sensors popping out unlike escalade. body lines are very nice. i own a 2007 escalade white diamond loaded $67,000(first one sold at the dealership) and i notice the front bumper lines and rear bumper lies pop out not noticable until you look close. navigator did a nice job. the power deploying boards are just awesome. i will have to have a lil complaint the mirrors are kinda small i wonder how the l version is going to do? the one i test drove was 58 grand nice compare to my 67 sticker price.

    interior: words can not descrip the interior is so elegant in every way. comofortable in all seats and they are very comfy. the gear shift is a my favorite thing, makes it seem sporty to me. i love the center stack with wood, i love wood, but i wish lincoln would have put a bigger navigation screen like the escalade. i love the steering wheel with more controls than the escalade. also the steering wheels adjust tilt was a major plus. cadillac falling behind here. i love the navigation system was very easy to work with compared to my escalade. the only down about this was that the color of the navigation seemed blan without color caddy added color. one more little complaint with the navigation was it didnt have a reverse camera.

    ride: ride was superior. it absorbed every bump nicely. driving this navigator really seemed like i was driving on clouds. with front and rear independent suspension mades it seems floating. steering was very adequate. i went on the freeway and was really really quiet inside. this navigator out does my escalade with ride quality by far shot. braking was good but thought it could be a little better. the escalade 22" make it a chore driving on highway over 65 mph always fixing the steering, the navi 20" handle very well. the audio system was great with 14 speakers and subwoofer made it sound so beautiful, may be a tad bit better that bose in the escalade. as for hp it was good not as good as escalade. escalade has great power and nice muffler sounds, but a gas guzzler. navigator in the long run is better, better towing compacity that escalade as well as payload. the third row according to my children was fantastic.

    what i have to say it that lincoln a while back had a list of options listed to add to the navigator in near future and it went beyond technology. more than caddy and infiniti. and a 350+ hp. i talked to the dealership and he said there are more navi coming in 11-20-2006 really considering trading in my escalade in for one. but before i do i want to look at the blue navi. my escalade has 12000 miles a lot of traveling on it. my wife just got a new expedition el limited sandy white and it gorgoues jealous it turns more heads than my escalade. honestly i will trade in the escalade for either a black or blue one. will look tomorrow. will own the new navi for a lil bit then trade it in for l version.
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    It's amazing how different people can describe the same vehicle in such different terms. I don't know how car makers can make a mass-market car with so many different tastes and preferences.

    I saw an 07 Navi on the road for the first time.

    It looked "okay".

    I liked the rear, the front still doesn't convince me, but it was just a quick glance.

    The front rims could not be seen due to the blackish/reddish brake dust covering them.

    I had a brake dust issue with my 03 Navi -- but I thought they would've addressed this issue by now.

    I was cleaning the chrome rims every two days to keep them shiny -- a real pain.

    It would be GREAT if lincoln would add front parking sensors and a rearview camera to the truck.

    Maybe for '08?

    Also, Navi '08 -- how are you able to trade in and out of lux vehicles so often? I get itchy for new toys often too, but the financial hit of making quick trades always puts a stop to my itch -- FAST. It's gotta be expensive to do that, no?
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    1. Keyless start
    2. Smart key that lets you open doors with the FOB in your pocket
    3. Rear Camera
    4. Front-side parking sensors
    5. Bluetooth cell phone hookup

    Maybe for '08?
  • The last thing I want is to have to find someplace to stash my keys, use the cup holder to store them or sit with them jammed in my pocket just have the novelty to be able to push some stupid button to start the car.

    This is one of those "It seemed cool on the test-drive but now it drives me crazy" ideas.
  • heyjewelheyjewel Posts: 1,046
    I agree.

    As for the rest - fuggetaboutit. Bluetooth and rear camera should be there, but r u kidding? they would cost more than a buck a piece.
  • i just traded in my 2007 escalade, i honestly think i made a good chose here, but miss the extra hp. i love everything about this truck. i got a 4x4 blue ultimate loaded with everythin has a more features in that escalade. beside the rear view camera. the tilt steering wheel, power third row, temp controls on steering wheel, power deploying boards(saw an escalade with them it didnt seem to look right just have a chrome bar on bottom made it look tacky((they using lincoln idea with power deployin boards)). it is also roomier as well.
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    Keyless start and fob-less car entry is a feature that I've grown to really like on my Lexus LS430.

    The key chain stays in my briefcase or in my wife's purse. To open the locked door I just pull on the handle. To start the car I just turn the knob -- no fuss looking for keys anymore.

    At first it seemed like a "gee-whiz" useless gadget to me too -- but now that I am totally keyless I LOVE it.

    I've even set up my house door (inside the garage) to open electronically using the homelink buttons in the car.

    Same with the bluetooth, parking sensors, and rearview camera -- at first they seemed like unnecessary gadgets, now I feel strange when driving a car without them.

    I hope these items get included in an options package in the future for those who want them.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    I have to agree with gteach - you get quite spoiled with the keyless feature, and the rear camera is REALLY missed when I drive my wife's car.... I keep looking at the Nav screen to see behind me. The Bluetooth is an absolute must for my work car now. Wouldn't buy a car that didn't have it. These are all things a Lincoln should have, IMO. People pay for convenience gadgets. It would help them sell their brand.
  • lyletlylet Posts: 27
    Bluetooth is a MUST have in any new car. California passed a new law that starts soon that requires drivers to use hands free phones.
  • Bluetooth and rear cameras or at least backup sensors are useful technology, and they'll be high on my list come the next car.

    I guess the keyless feature has a wow factor, but I'd take the ancient Ford keypad over the keyless. It's nice being able to leave the car running, but locked, when running in to the 7-11 for a cup of coffee, or leaving the keys in the car when going to the gym.
  • I love my keypad!

    The only people who "dis" them have never owned a car with one.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,723
    I'd like to see Ford do a commercial with an Expedition and a Suburban where both lock the keys in the vehicle. While the Suburban owner fumbles to find a cell phone, call OnStar with the right password and wait for the satellite to unlock the car - the Expedition owner just punches in their 5 digit code and drives away.

    This is another one of those things that Ford does better than everyone else but they don't advertise. Frustrating.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    I just don't understand how one could take a step-down from a 07' Escalade to a 07' Navigator, and try to justify it ? I think we have some chronic car buyers among the forum. :surprise:

    Rocky
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,723
    Not everybody is a HP junkie.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    It's more than just horsepower akirby. I honestly think people took a step down by trading off a Slade for a Gator. Every comparo I've read has the slade winning quite easily. IMHO, I believe some will kick themselves in a few months- privately after that new car feeling wears off. ;)

    Rocky
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,723
    It's all about personal preference. Some people just prefer the Navigator styling. Why do you seem to think that everyone likes or values the same things that you do?
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    I don't but why did they buy the Escalade in the first place when everyone knew the Navigator was coming right behind it ? Obviously one would assume they had to like the Escalade enough to buy one and trading it in on a gator to me is like going from a Cadillac to a Pontiac :surprise:

    It's okay though...At least they didn't buy a Hyundai ;)

    Rocky
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,723
    Most people don't have a clue when new models are coming out. If you don't read car mags or forums or go to car shows - how would you know?

    Here are the reasons given:

    has a more features in that escalade. beside the rear view camera. the tilt steering wheel, power third row, temp controls on steering wheel, power deploying boards(saw an escalade with them it didnt seem to look right just have a chrome bar on bottom made it look tacky((they using lincoln idea with power deployin boards)). it is also roomier as well.

    Styling is totally subjective. I'd buy an Expedition or Navigator over a Suburban or Escalade just based on the styling and a few features, not to mention X plan discounts.
  • heyjewelheyjewel Posts: 1,046
    I just have to add my 2 cents, dont I?

    In 2004 when I bought my Navigator, there was really no contest. The Nav had a much nicer interior (a big factor for me), the ride and handling are great in it etc.

    Now, the dashboard of the Nav has been destroyed, IMHO, and the Escalade interior is much much better than before - and is now better than the Nav's IMHO. The 100 HP advantage is important but also the mpg is in the slade's favor these days, is it not? And although the front end of the Nav is growing on me, I prefer the styling of the Escalade now.

    In addition, the rear view camera option beats the beeping radar that my Nav has and the temp control on the steering wheel, while nice, causes other radio control features to not be there.

    I agree with Edmunds quote here: "the 2007 Cadillac Escalade excels. Like-priced competitors such as the Infiniti QX56 and Lincoln Navigator may edge it out in one area or another, but overall the Escalade is a superior vehicle. In our opinion, paying a lot more money for a Lexus LX 470 or Land Rover Range Rover is an exercise in diminishing returns."

    With one last caveat: The Escalade has ONLY AWD. The Navigator has AWD plus true 4WD with low range. This is a HUGE plus for the Nav - IF you plan on off-road or even a lot of snow driving.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    I like the Escalade because it has these features not found on the Navigator. Heated windshield washer fluid, Heated steering wheel, Voice recognition, of course rear-view camera, better fuel economy, 103 more horsepower, much better fuel economy w/ DOD, intellibeams, Remote start enabling remote start and climate-control system activation, Onstar, 22's rims, to name a few.....It doesn't hurt that I get a GM employee discount that would knock off $7K minus rebates of the sticker. ;)

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    heyjewel, thank-you. The slade also has that beeping radar also :P If I'm worried about lots of snow I can always put some snow shoes on the slade. I will also give the off roading edge to the gator, however the slade will be more than capable to handle what most people will put it through. If you need more then buy a Z-71 package Tahoe. ;)

    Rocky
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,723
    We'll see how well DOD doesn't work in 2008 when the new EPA tests are out. And saying the Escalade gets better fuel mileage is simply saying it's queen of the pigs - they both suck. I don't need remote start or heated steering wheel or Onstar and I hate 22's.

    I'm not knocking the Escalade as much as I'm saying there are reasons why people prefer the Navigator that are every bit as valid as the reasons why you prefer the Escalade. To each his own.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,422
    I'm certainly not in the market for a heavy duty, truck-based rolling bordello, so neither the slade nor the gator do much for me (and as I said before, if I was in that market, the Denali would do nicely).

    But styling preference aside, the slade styling has the attribute of being fresher. This third generation is a big improvement over the first and even the second. The gator, however, looks too much like a first generation with a new grill, tailgate and bumpers. A bit stale.
  • gteach26gteach26 Posts: 576
    I agree that the keypad on the Nav is a useful feature. That feature practically guarantees that you'll never be locked out of your vehicle again -- unless you forget the code!!!!

    I think that the escalade does have a styling advantage inside and out... that opinion was not the case for me on previous generations of these trucks.

    Still, the fold flat third row is a MAJOR advantage for the Navi. Having an uneven cargo area due to the seats being folded is a PAIN.

    I've gotta drive an escalade to see if the HP REALLY makes a big difference.

    Overall I think the caddy made a more substantial improvement jump than did the Navi.

    IMO, the escalade was an ugly mess prior to this generation's debut.

    Now the two trucks are pretty much even......
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,723
    I agree the Escalade would win "most improved".
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