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Where Is Ford taking the Lincoln Motor Company?

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  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Well the Salom, and skid pad numbers reflect quite the opposite. ;)

    BTW- Do you smell something ???? Smells like death of another Lincoln :P

    Rocky
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,563
    I'd smoke your LS like a cheap cigar in a "FWD" Acura TL. Seriously though it wouldn't be a race. 0-60 in 5.6

    Are you sure on that? I went looking and from what I found the TL does 0-60 in 6.4 the same as an LS. Of course you could smoke my Lincoln its 0-60 in something like 45 seconds (of course its a 1938 model).

    Now if you want to take on my CTS then thats no contest. :shades:

    There are three types of people in this world. Those who are good at math and those who are not.

  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    6.1-6.4 for the automatic pal. The 6-speed manuel I read about in one of the major car mags had a 0-60 in 5.6 and a Q-Mile of 13.8 or 13.9 (can't remember what tenth) on a 04' model.
    That article influenced my decision. ;)

    Rocky
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,563
    Sorry pal low to mid 6's for the 6 speed manual in everything I read. Same as the Lincoln LS. Live with it as I blow past you in the Caddy :)

    There are three types of people in this world. Those who are good at math and those who are not.

  • pernaperna Posts: 533
    6.1-6.4 for the automatic pal. The 6-speed manuel I read about in one of the major car mags had a 0-60 in 5.6 and a Q-Mile of 13.8 or 13.9 (can't remember what tenth) on a 04' model.
    That article influenced my decision


    You comparing against the V6 LS or the one with the V8? My father in law had a V8, and that thing was pretty ferocious. He burned up 3 trannies with that thing. :surprise:
  • My dad can beat up Manuel's dad.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Sorry pal that's incorrect. What does the CTS do in the Quarter Mile 16 point ? :P That's what I thought. ;)

    Really a V-6 CTS and/or LS blowing past a TL is absolutely funny. :cry: <-w/ laughter. Ya'll and your faux stats.

    Rocky
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    My dad whipped Manuel's dad and your dad at the same time. :D

    Rocky
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,563
    Sorry pal 1/4 in the upper 12's lower 13's I think. 0-60 in about 4.5 seconds, give or take.

    Really a V-6 CTS and/or LS blowing past a TL is absolutely funny

    Who said anything about a V-6?

    There are three types of people in this world. Those who are good at math and those who are not.

  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Well you didn't tell the whole story did ya. ;)

    BTW- Acura TL MSRP $36K-loaded. CTS-V MSRP $53K-loaded !!!!

    If my Math isn't "Fuzzy" that leaves me $17K price savings.

    I'll take that savings and buy a good turbo, tires, and a suspension. You couldn't handle a FWD sport/lux whipping your butt all over the place, or could ya. Bye Bye !!!!! :P

    Rocky :shades:
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,563
    BTW- Acura TL MSRP $36K-loaded. CTS-V MSRP $53K-loaded !!!!

    Yeah if you pay MSRP. Its good to know people ;)

    I'll take that savings and buy a good turbo, tires, and a suspension.

    Actually I wouldn't have saved much getting the Acura.

    You couldn't handle a FWD sport/lux whipping your butt all over the place, or could ya.

    It won't happen, you will always be in my mirrors, that is until you disappeared. :shades:

    There are three types of people in this world. Those who are good at math and those who are not.

  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    Well I was only trying to stir you up a little. I know the TL can't beat the CTS-V. ;)

    BTW- Do you get a GM employee discount like myself ????

    I actually will seriously consider a 07' CTS-V if the "fit and finish" with 500+ hp. can justify the price and it's not made in China by then. :mad: Grrrrrrrr!!!!

    Rocky
  • snakeweaselsnakeweasel a Certified Edmunds Poster.Posts: 11,563
    No I do not get the GM employee discount. I can get a discount at Ford (I think its called the X-plan pricing).

    There are three types of people in this world. Those who are good at math and those who are not.

  • pernaperna Posts: 533
    BTW- Do you get a GM employee discount like myself ????

    I actually will seriously consider a 07' CTS-V if the "fit and finish" with 500+ hp. can justify the price and it's not made in China by then. Grrrrrrrr!!!!


    I would be shocked if you could get GMS on a CTS-V. I think GM treats them like Ford does their highline vehicles such as Mustang Cobras or Harley F-150s - employees are SOL. I could be wrong though, they're not consistent with their vehicle exclusions.
  • rockyleerockylee Posts: 14,011
    I can go down to the local GM dealer and buy one at GMS right now. The only vehicles excluded are the Corvette, and XLR. Some initial vehicle launches like the new STS they put a restraint for GMS elgible people. It wasn't until October of 04' to use you GMS on the STS. So basically that summer you were screwed. You couldn't do the order until October because I was considering one. ;) The 2007 CTS-V might be a similar deal when it gets launched ? I am going to check into it next summer/fall ;)

    Rocky
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,419
    Where is Ford taking Lincoln? It looks like they are trying as much as possible to meet the Cadillac model range on a shoe string budget. The Zephyr is a quick stopgap, because they can no longer field the LS to match the CTS. The hoary old Town Car has to be kept because they have no other answer to the DTS. The badge engineered F150 with a Lincoln grill meets the Caddy pickup. And now they will have the Navigator L to compete with the extended Escalade.

    Still, they have nothing to field against STS, XLR, SRX V8 or the V-series. Nor have they decided on an identifiable look as all Caddys now have. Lincoln's additions of the MKX, and later the MKS, will address a bit of this, but an identifiable look is still far on the horizon (Navigator is going its own way except for the Zephyr style tail lights, the MKS is a completely new look, the MKX borrows a grill theme from the 60's, the Zephyr is more boxy, and the Mark LT looks like an F150 with additional chrome).

    I wonder if they might be better off to target Buick and Chrysler right now, until they regain some traction with some standout models that can rise above the 300 or the Lucerne. Dump badge engineered Mercury and connect the Lincoln franchise with Ford stores.

    But I don't think they are considering any drastic changes like that--at least not yet. I think the hope is the models in the pipeline can again make them a credible competitor for Cadillac again. We'll see soon enough.
  • weskiweski Posts: 2
    As a lady boomer, I love my 2000 Lincoln LS. Daughter just bought new Fusion - looks like a mini me LS. However, I think it is time to move on - but to what? Zephyr is not thrilling. Don't want to pay $40k for Lexus. Drive mountains, but not enough to need an SUV. However, I would like to get more ground clearance than the LS, plus front wheel or AWD. Mostly city/suburban driving, don't need major engine, but need more than a V4 or hybrid due to skiing. Suggestions?
  • heyjewelheyjewel Posts: 1,046
    Stay with Ford in an Escape or Mariner?

    Wait for the MK X or Edge crossover?

    Tell the truth if it were me (and I have an '01 LS so I think I know what u like sorta) I'd seriously look at the Subaru Outback. AWD, not big like an SUV, but still lots of room, crisp handling, good gas mileage and performance with the small engine, not so good mileage but seriously exciting performance with the turbo, ground clearance like a Cherokee, in the mid 20s to low 30s depending on equip.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    My inside sources tell me Lincoln doesn't plan to follow Cadillac upmarket, so that's why you see no obvious reaction to Cadillac's product line. Sadly, that puts Lincoln directly into the Buick market - which drives me crazy, frankly. But, Bill thinks Jaguar, Volvo, Land Rover and Aston Martin are the Ford luxury cars, (Which GM doesn't have any of, BTW), so Lincoln can be the new Buick, much less costly to make that way. But it cheapens the brand that I have loved for 15 years - it pained me to buy a Lexus sedan this time, but I had to. Lincoln left me no choice, after driving Lincolns for so long, happily. :sick:
  • heyjewelheyjewel Posts: 1,046
    Well said, nv. Our own ANT here has said several times that Lincoln is no longer striving to be a true luxury brand but will settle for the Buick level. Apparently Ford is giving up on matching the Japanese and European brands and is hoping they can produce cars equivalent to the LaCrosse and Lucerne now. That used to be Mercury's job but now they have taken Mercury down-market and basically are trying to make that the Female Ford. The net result for me is that, although I have owned 3 Mercurys and 3 Lincolns there is nothing in the entire LM stable that interests me any more. Sad cause I recall in 2001 at a meeting with Jim Rogers in Irvine how exciting the prospects were for Lincoln at that time. The LS promised a new way for Lincoln and more great cars were in the pipe.

    And here we in are with 2 Mazda-Lincolns, no more LS and a minivan or something in the pipe. ANd a new Navigator that won the "Worst in Show" award in Chicago. Oh and a Volvo-Lincoln with a motorcycle engine that looks like an Oldsmobile in a couple or three years. Maybe.

    Then I see Bill Ford on TV in a really pathetic ad, looking like a politician with a bunch of little kids around telling us how much Ford cares about our children. Is he a democrat running for office now? Is he trying to make up for all the Explorer roll-overs and exploding Crown-Vic police cars? What the he** is he doing? He speaks of American innovation but he is laying off most of the American engineers who made it thru Nasser's racist purges. And most of Ford's products now are based on Japanese or European engineering. Who the he** does he think he's kidding?

    Lastly, IMHO, Bill Ford looks and sounds like a doofus. And IMHO he should stay as far away from the cameras as possible. Seeing and hearing him does nothing to inspire me to buy a Ford product.
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