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Where Is Ford taking the Lincoln Motor Company?



  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    edited May 2013
    Excellent topic: I'm in Vegas, and I'm a CEO and I drive a Lexus LS460. But, just for kicks, here's a comparison - so what do you think the difference is?

    2 Women CEOs of major Vegas Hotel/Resorts - one drives a Rolls (has 2 of them, convertible Corniche and a Silver something, both recent models). The other drives a Honda Element. I know them both, and have asked them both. The difference is: The one cares, the other just doesn't care about cars or image.

    Two friends (CEOs) of mine, (major corporations, a CEO can own a new stand too) - one drives a Cadillac DTS, the other an Audi Q7. They both "like" cars, but neither want to be that high profile. I find a lot of my friends who have "really made it", actually try to downplay their profile a bit, while those who are just trying, or really don't have the success, fame or means, are the ones trying to show off. Hollywierd celebs and rappers excluded.
  • edward53edward53 Posts: 109
    edited May 2013
    Late model Rolls Corniche and Silver Spur . They must really be late as the Corniche was discontinued in 1996 and the Silver Spur in 1998. My family has owned a few tool an die companies since 1936. Well a gentleman who was an employee of the company since the company's founding retired in 1976 after over 40 yrs of service. My father bought him as a retirement gift a silver over black Rolls Carmague which at that time cost over 44k and he also paid all of the taxes on it for him. His Grandson now has the vehicle with only 53000 plus well maintained miles on it. He's thinking about putting it up for auction in January with the Jackson Barret Co . So, if anyone is looking for a collectible vehicle of which only 506 total were made, contact Jackson Barret for a catalog of available vehicles for the January auction.
  • cdnpinheadcdnpinhead Forest Lakes, AZPosts: 3,237
    My father bought him as a retirement gift a silver over black Rolls Carmague . . .

    Something tells me that I would have walked over broken glass to have worked for your dad. That kind of loyalty still exists, but it's rare and will probably be entirely gone in the next few years.

    I joined my company 45 years ago and came back to stay in 1980. I am beyond odd in today's environment, but I still appreciate working with people who've been here for awhile.
  • fintailfintail Posts: 33,501
    Ooh the Camargue, weird car, but I kind of like them - maybe because the first large scale model car I received as a kid was a white Camargue made by Bburago. Kind of unloved, but I could see a nice one bringing 50K or so to the right person, especially if two people want it.
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    MKS Ecoboost upgrade needed now.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    The MKS had an Ecoboost option from the start. What do you mean?
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 814
    edited June 2013
    We probably will not see any upgrade to the MKS ecoboost until it moves to the new platform. However, for $600, any MKS ecoboost owner can get an aftermarket tune that upgrades the engine to a very smooth and easy 425 HP or more.

    Most of us who have installed the tune are seeing 0-60 times in the mid 4s and quarter mile times in the high 12s - and even better mileage when driven conservatively. Ford left a LOT on the table with the ecoboost V6 and hopefully when the MKS moves to the new platform and gets a more robust transmission, they will utilize its full potential.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    He's referring to the XTS VSport having more hp, although I think the torque numbers are pretty close so in the real world there won't be a huge difference. The 3.5L EB is torque limited to protect the transmission.

    I don't think 365+ hp in either vehicle will have any significant effect on sales volume though.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 814
    The Cadillac twin turbo is tuned for more HP but not much more torque than the Ford Ecoboost. GM has the same need for a more robust FWD transmission as Ford if they really want to utilize high torque engines.

    I would be surprised if there is much real-world performance difference between a stock MKS ecoboost and the XTS VSport. Again, with a tune, the ecoboost MKS becomes a different beast.
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    Plus I'm guessing the market share of the EB MkS is very small compared to the 3.7L. The market just isn't that big to begin with and the market for big hp is even smaller.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 814
    I am not sure what the split is between ecoboost and 3.7. From my perspective, driving the base 3.7 would be like going on a date with my sister - a pleasant enough experience....and that is about it.....
  • akirbyakirby Posts: 7,665
    According to there are about 3000 MKS in inventory across the country and about 750 are ecoboost. Higher than I expected but still only about 25%. And it's possible the non-ecoboost models turn over more quickly so the actual sales volume could be lower.

    Enthusiasts who want high performance are simply a rare breed nowadays for most vehicles but especially for full sized sedans.
  • lemkolemko Posts: 15,120
    Then count me among that very rare breed who wants a high-performance full-size sedan! Of course, the XTS seems more like a midsize to me. I'd like to see that kind of performance in a car the size of my DTS.
  • brucelincbrucelinc Posts: 814
    Yes, high performance full-size buyers are probably a rare breed but a pretty passionate breed. Chevy will have the SS out soon to join the Hemi Charger/Chrysler 300 and Taurus SHO.

    Until I began frequenting some forums specifically for ecoboost vehicles, I had no idea that there were so many guys modifying and drag racing their SHOs, Flexes and MKSs. While a drop in the bucket compared to all the car buyers out there, they are a very loyal and vocal group. There are a number of reputable tuners who are continuing to offer hardware and software upgrades for the ecoboost.

    I think there is something sort of cool about a quiet, comfortable 4400 pound full-size vehicle that looks like it should be driven by a Florida retiree but is capable of pulling away from a 5.0 Mustang or V8 Camaro. Not everyone's cup of tea, though...
  • euphoniumeuphonium Great Northwest, West of the Cascades.Posts: 3,321
    As a Northwest retiree, the EB MKS was selected so as to get over the Cascades without hindering the 5.0 Mustangs and to also efficiently merge onto the freeway without impeding the same Mustang. We bought the MKS after auditioning the SHO which left a lot of class to be desired, but found in the MKS. Locally, the Lincoln dealer is much preferred over the Caddy character and that counts for a lot. :)
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    like going on a date with my sister - a pleasant enough experience

    Little creepy, there, bruce! :surprise:
  • steverstever YooperlandPosts: 39,963
    A reporter would like to speak to a recent buyer of a car from a manufacturer that is widely considered "American"--e.g. Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Chrysler, Cadillac-- who has not previously owned an "American" car. If this is you, please send your daytime contact info to no later than Monday, July 1, 2013 no later than noon Pacific.

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  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    Lincoln sales are flat comparing June 2012 to June 2013. Take solace that the decreases from year to year seem to be happening less.
  • nvbankernvbanker Posts: 7,285
    Like a government budget cut - which is really a decrease in the increase of spending..... :surprise:
  • gregg_vwgregg_vw Posts: 2,415
    Meanwhile, just to get Allen riled up, I will point out that Cadillac is America's fastest growing brand.
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