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Should LEXUS Price its Vehicles Head-to-Head with Germans

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  • Is that because non-caucasian people dont have confidence in their own brands that they have to clamor for german brands? Or do they think MB and BMW are superior? If they think MB and BMW are superior in "ALL RESPECTS" then should we feel sorry for the asian people?
    I do not understand your post.
  • Check the prices paid forums for most Lexus. I recently got $6,500 off MSRP for GX. You can get similar discounts for other Lexus models. MB is being fairly aggressive now also and Porsche is discounting the Cayenne fairly well. The Edmunds prices paid number is not always correct and in some cases way off. Those that do their homework for any of these cars can do fairly well. I am sure Lexus and all the others have sold a lot of cars with minimal discounts to those who have not done their homework. The people posting on these boards have typically done their homework.
  • Maybe you should check your math. By the time you add all the options the average BMW is a LOT more $$$. Compare a loaded 7 series to a loaded LS. Compare a loaded GS to a loaded 5 series.
  • If I want 95 % of the driving experience of a Lexus, I can buy a Toyota Avalon at a much reduced price.

    Once again, you seem to be stuck at "driving experience" being the only factor in purchasing decisions. Lexus offers an exclusivity, dealer experience, customer service that Toyota does not match.
  • sigt1sigt1 Posts: 66
    will be freakin nuts... wow

    toyota will destroy all competition yet again as it always does

    luxury, sport, truck, standard

    no stopping toyota...
  • merc1merc1 Posts: 6,081
    No, I don't. I'll re-word that, I don't ever seem them putting a V8 in a Camry.

    BMW being the ultimate driving machine isn't so because they don't have the best racing record? Ok. I think you've missed a big part of why BMW and any other car company goes racing. You don't have to outright win every race to gain the techincal experience from racing. The new V10 in the M6 and M5 are stunning engines partly because of this experience, regardless of whether or not they won. Why do you think Toyota is in F1? To gain whatever experience/know how that they can and apply it to a production vehicle in some way.

    M
  • socala4socala4 Posts: 2,427
    BMW being the ultimate driving machine isn't so because they don't have the best racing record? Ok. I think you've missed a big part of why BMW and any other car company goes racing. You don't have to outright win every race to gain the techincal experience from racing. The new V10 in the M6 and M5 are stunning engines partly because of this experience, regardless of whether or not they won. Why do you think Toyota is in F1? To gain whatever experience/know how that they can and apply it to a production vehicle in some way.

    Exactly. And to add to that, what wins races (a lot of which is based upon the quality of the driving team, anyway) is not necessarily going to make a car a good daily driver.

    Enthusiasts like BMW's because they offer a great balance of performance and handling packaged in what is generally a fairly practical, attractive and enjoyable car (price-independent, of course). Being the absolutely fastest thing on the track does not necessarily mean that the production car is going to be particularly desirable to drive or own.
  • ths1ths1 Posts: 1
    Just to add my 2 cents to drfil and rayng's postings as to pricing and discounts between German (BMW and MB) and Lexus. I just purchased a GX 470 after doing a significant amount of work comparing the X5 (with the 6 cylinder), the ML 350 and the LX 470. I thought all 3 fit my needs very well and it came down to pricing. What I found, after about 2 months worth of shopping in the Chicago, Milwaukee and Madison areas, the best I could do was 3% off of list pricing on the BMW and ML-350. I was able to purchase the Lexus with a list price of just over $51M for $44,500 on a cash deal.(including all dealer costs. Not including tax, title and license fees.) I ended up buying the vehicle from a dealer who owned franchises for all three makes. Little wiggle room on the German cars for what ever reason. BMW had a 2.9% financing arrangement going on which might have been some reason for the lack of willingness. I also understand that Lexus might have had some cash back $$s to the dealer. Didn't mean to barge in on your conversation.
  • john500john500 Posts: 409
    Once again, you seem to be stuck at "driving experience" being the only factor in purchasing decisions. Lexus offers an exclusivity, dealer experience, customer service that Toyota does not match.

    Let me see if I understand this correctly. You purchase automobiles for reasons OTHER than the driving experience? OK, dude. No hope here.
  • Let me see if I understand this correctly. You purchase automobiles for reasons OTHER than the driving experience? OK, dude. No hope here.

    First, we are not talking about me, but the car buying population in general.

    Second, "driving experience" is NOT THE ONLY FACTOR in those decisions made by the masses.

    I have that is clear.
  • rockyleerockylee Wyoming, MichiganPosts: 13,989
    I'd buy or should I say would like to own a Lexus LS 460 or LS 600 over anything made in Europe. This car is truely "inferior" !!!!!
    :surprise: Oops did I just say that ? :surprise:

    Rocky
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