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Honda Civic Si Sedan

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  • Where you do the oil change doesn't matter, as long as you can trust the mechanic. You also want a place where you can watch them do the oil change. Make sure they put in synthetic and replaced the oil filter. Honda dealers will go by manufacturer specifications so they will not put in synthetic unless you ask. Even then, it's a gamble if they actually remember it. Some places will let you bring the filter and motor oil.
  • siarizona,
    I have a bmw 325 i manual. and am considering a si sedan.
    I love the bmr's rear drive. you really can't beat that. the inline 6 purrs like a kitten. the car is very smooth.
    However the cars feels heavy. the steering is a little slow unless you yank it and the suspension is on the soft side. Although it does handle even with the soft underpinnings.

    I have driven an si sedan. the car was very nice except that it did not idle down between shifts. Iv'e heard there is a fix for this. I will have to go for another re-test drive to see if the factory has addressed this little annoyance. the car feels light and agile compared to the bmer and with lay down seats it has way more storage room for my rc cars and my mt. bike. I wonder how the '08s will drive? (re the idle down issue)

    I like the habanero red color and the nav system. HOnda doesn't charge you 400 bucks for pearls or metallics. this I like.
  • forbesjforbesj Posts: 22
    The median age of an Si coupe buyer is 25, the Sedan is 30. 80% are male, on both of them.

    My ~55 year old father drives a Mazdaspeed3, and likes my Civic. My ~52 year old mother drives an 07 Miata (6 speed), and also likes the Civic. They also have an 07 Jeep Commander on lease, and a 4cyl Tacoma, but the Mazdas are their daily drivers except during the winter. I think my father prefers my car to his, as he doesn't really push the Speed3 very much, and the Civic is quite a bit more slick when you aren't trying to get every once of performance out of it.

    When my father gets tired of the Speed3 in a year (he's a new car junkie), I might offer him a trade; my Si should be worth more than the Speed3 by then, and he'll have put some more economical all season tires on the car, too. Furthermore, I'll know the car has been meticulously taken care of.

    This is my first Honda; my previous car was a 2001 Hyundai Accent that I bought new for $8000, and previous to that was an old beater 86 Chevy pickup. I'm not in to the whole throwing lots of money on swapping new cars constantly thing.

    Anyway, the median age means that half of the people that buy the car are older, and half of them are younger, as opposed to an average, which might be a bit higher than the median.
  • I saw a sweet light silver Civic 4 door sedan with Si wheels in Korea today. I stopped to look and saw it had a sunroof,"> leather seats, an auto tranny w/paddle shifters, and a small lip on the rear fender rather than the Si's wing. Rear badge read "2.0i-VTEC"

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  • kork13kork13 Posts: 90
    When I was in Germany a few weeks ago, I also noticed the European style of the Civic... I was actually quite impressed, I really liked the body style it has. Unfortunately I didn't think to snap any pictures, but if you ever see some photos, you'll see what I mean.
  • Ahh, Germany. It would ve very hard to drive a Honda in the land of BMWs. I enjoyed my time there.
  • tseoshtseosh Posts: 26
    "I have driven an si sedan. the car was very nice except that it did not idle down between shifts. Iv'e heard there is a fix for this. I will have to go for another re-test drive to see if the factory has addressed this little annoyance..."

    I consider the rev hang problem more than an annoyance. I have an '07 Sedan and the rev hang absolutely kills the driving experience everytime I have to shift. Despite many claiming that it is "fixed" on the '07 Si, it is very much a part of my daily driving experience. If Honda fixes the rev hang for the '08 models, I would hope they apply the fix to the '07s, too.
  • kork13kork13 Posts: 90
    the rev hang absolutely kills the driving experience

    I may just not be experienced enough yet as a performance driver, but i haven't really noticed the rev hang or how it "kills the driving experience"... I just go out playing and have all kinds of fun. Last night I spent 30 minutes in some back roads, an deverything was going great. :D I love my little baby...
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    this is the civic that other markets get (except europe) that we dont get here.

    this car is a nice middlepoint that we need here in the states: the 2.0 k20 pushing 155hp, a sport auto tranny, nicer interior, etc. Something to better compete with the mazda 3 gt.

    ofcourse, ours would have the usdm civic face, and not the jdm taillights or headlights.

    HONDA: makes this civic for our market. we will love you more!

    the wheels are actually what was available as a honda factory performance package for the 7th generation civic...but they were never si wheels, at least not here in the states.

    this is a sharp looking car; even if it looked like ours does, but still had the midrange k20 with a leather/sport fabric interior with the sport A/T, id seriously consider a civic again.

    This car is rebadged the csx in canada, under the acura nameplate. There is also a csx type-s, which is basically their version of the si sedan.
  • forbesjforbesj Posts: 22
    I notice it, I feel it when upshifting in non-sequential order (which I tend to do a lot), and, frankly, it's not a big deal to me.

    Example:

    I burst onto a 45mph speed limit road in 3rd gear, and then shift right to 5th or 6th to cruise once I get up to speed, when the engine is around 5.5k RPMs

    The rev hang makes a bit more work for the clutch there, and a slightly less smooth shift as the engine slows down to match the transmission.

    Also, it definitely affects engine braking when you're in situations where you don't have the engine pushing 5k RPMs+ - if the engine is zinging along, you get pretty immediate engine braking, but at slower speeds, it feels more like an automatic when you let off the gas. Hardly a deal breaker.
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    mabye for some, but who wants automatic traits in a car, when you bought it for its killer manual transmission?
  • forbesjforbesj Posts: 22
    The sum total of the trait is when the engine is at <3k RPMs, and you let off the gas, it takes a second or so longer before you feel the engine braking.

    If you're at 5k+, then you feel the engine braking just fine.

    As compared to the "can't shift the damn thing to 5th" or "Yes, I just jerked everyone in the car around in shifting to 2nd gear slowly" Speed3, or the "Couldn't tell how fast I was going because it was too soft and quiet inside" GTI; nothing's perfect!

    In the real world, this doesn't exactly make a difference. If I want to use engine braking, I down shift to do so. That letting off the gas while doing 60mph on the highway doesn't decelerate right away isn't much of an issue to me. It clearly bothers some people, and I can see how the throttle could be a deal breaker to some, but it isn't to me. That the throttle isn't absolutely instantaneous is something I notice, but it responds quickly enough.
  • stevecebustevecebu Posts: 493
    That letting off the gas while doing 60mph on the highway doesn't decelerate right away isn't much of an issue to me. It clearly bothers some people, and I can see how the throttle could be a deal breaker to some, but it isn't to me.

    Just wondering if this is a flywheel issue? It sounds like the flywheel needs to be lighter. Has anyone tried replacing the flywheel with a lighter aftermarket one to see if it helps?
    Voids warranty I know but still lots of guys hop them up.
    A flywheel is no big deal. It would irritate me but I will see if the 2008's are any better.
  • k5ldbk5ldb Posts: 50
    Nothing you do to your car, short of converting it to a race car, voids your warranty. Did I mention that nothing you do to your car voids your warranty? Dealers will give that con line and then whoever is told it will go around repeating it until everyone is repeating it like it's true. Actually, nothing you do to your car voids your warranty. The worst case scenario is you do something that can possibly void warranty coverage on specific components or systems only but not the entire car. The only way part of the warranty can be voided is if they can unequivocally prove that a failure was due to an unauthorized modification. If you change the flywheel it might affect warranty on your clutch but it legally can not affect warranty on your a/c or electrical or radiator or, or, or. That is federal law, so work on spreading the word that nothing you do to your car can void your warranty, unless you convert it to a race car that is. When they admit Honda to NASCAR along with Toyota and you set yours up then your warranty will be void. Until then, no.
  • stevecebustevecebu Posts: 493
    Nothing you do to your car, short of converting it to a race car, voids your warranty. Did I mention that nothing you do to your car voids your warranty? Dealers will give that con line and then whoever is told it will go around repeating it until everyone is repeating it like it's true. Actually, nothing you do to your car voids your warranty. The worst case scenario is you do something that can possibly void warranty coverage on specific components or systems only but not the entire car.

    I guess it will help to have a good lawyer to remind the dealer since they always try their level best to find a reason to void the warranty. Having the law be true and enforcing it can be costly. I've had enough dealers in the past tell me about voided warranties and then your cars sits unfixed.
    If you autox your car then they will say it wore everything out prematurely. They LOVE to do that!
    But I will look into it more when i get back. I don't plan on any mods to any car I buy much past tires and different sway bars. Mazda tried to void my warranty on those! I went to a different dealer and they didn't care, so it's probably more the individual car dealer than it is the manufacturer. Problem is the other car dealer called up the dealer I took it to on the phone and told them I must race the car or something.
    The problem was actually a faulty sensor and couldn't be related to the sway bars.
    Some dealers do try and do this tho. :mad:
    Hopefully Mitsu has stopped their policy of voiding warranties in my area. Honda I never modified in any way so no drama there. :)
  • teasipteasip Posts: 16
    "Old" man in middle-aged crisis (48 y/o) looking for a new vehicle in the next couple of months. Interested in the Si in a similar format as the '07 model but I've been reading about the MUGEN '08 model. Pardon the potentially silly question but is the MUGEN going to be the only '08 Si model available or will I be able to get a comparable '08 like the current '07? Co-worker has a daughter at a local Honda dealership and I was able to drive it (coupe) during a lunch break and it reminded me of my old Nissan Sentra SE-R.
  • kork13kork13 Posts: 90
    teasip, the primary model available of the 2008 Si will be very similar to the '07 Si model (a few changes are likely, but nothing very significant), and they'll be doing it in both the coupe and sedan styles as well. So yes, you will be able to get what you're after.

    Comments on the '08 Mugen model contained here: Mugen Si First Drive Article Review... personally, I'm fairly unimpressed...
  • teasipteasip Posts: 16
    Thanks for the info.. For the price and the sporty response (compared to 12 years of trucks), as well as the gas mileage, it might be good car to consider (normal aspirated Si).
  • eldainoeldaino Posts: 1,618
    the mugen is normally aspirated too, but the price is totally supercharged.
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