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  • marcbmarcb Posts: 152
    Been wondering if I'm nuts thinking the Honda Fit/Jazz looked great, so this topic is to see if there are others who would find it attractive.

    Maybe if there are enough positive feedback, we can convince Honda to bring it to North America. Heres some Pics for starters. Comments anyone?
  • andys120andys120 Loudon NHPosts: 16,743
    there's no market for superminis in North America.
    That's why we don't see the Fit, Jazz, A-class,
    Lupo or Polo here. Nice cars all, it's too bad.

    P.S.- notice how much larger the new Mini is compared to the original (which didn't sell well in NA.

    2000 BMW 528i, 2001 BMW 330CiC

  • marcbmarcb Posts: 152
    But recently there has been a small movement again towards well, the small. And i hope (or is it a wishful thinking?) this new niche has now been recognized by the automakers here in NA.

    Look at the echo, it has built a very loyal following. Some of its owners even calling it cute and (imho) the Fit/Jazz is much better in that factor. Plus the reception of tall sw like the Focus and now the Matrix and Suzuki Aero does show there is a market in that area.

    If the Fit/Jazz beat the Echo/Yaris in Japan and Europe, and if it has more space than the Focus sw then I can't see why it can't be a leader/trendsetter here in North America. Oh, and probably add the VW sw's in that too.

    Honda may have a small window to bring it in quick and make a splash regardless because I think the Fit/Jazz would probably sell on its own merits alone for NOW. A few years later, the Focuses and the Echo's will have incorporated the advances it has made, and maybe even some bigger vehicles (vans, suv's) will start doing the same.
  • bsme1991bsme1991 Posts: 23
    Unfortunately Japan can't keep up with demand for this car, good luck if USA gets any at reasonable prices.

    Honda should stay with the game plan to produce as many Odyssey, Pilot, MDX, and the CR-V the market will bare. There's a huge profit margins gained by producing these family haulers, It's great for the HMC stockholders too. Heck why not a Honda full size 4WD truck to compete with Ford F-150/250/350?

    If HMC think Fit/Jazz will sell in N.A. why don't they build a factory here just for Fit/Jazz platform?

    BTW 4 door HB Fit/Jazz looks like the Suzuki Aerio SX (2 liter DOHC 141hp, MSRP under $15k).
  • marcbmarcb Posts: 152
    I've limited the dimensions to the 4 below as I could not find any Jazz interior dimensions in the internet. It is interesting to note that although Jazz is at least 1.5 feet shorter than the others, it's wheelbase is average.

    In fact (and I don't know how accurate the Jazz website is) it is amazing how at 2.25 feet shorter it has more space than the Focus sw. Probably having the wheels planted at the corners, a compact rear suspension and mid placed gas tank helped a lot.





    (inches) Jazz Echo Aero Focus sw
    Length 150.8168.2166.5178.2
    Width 65.9 65.4 67.7 66.9
    Height 60.0 59.4 61.0 53.9
    Wheelbase 96.5 93.3 97.6103.0
  • artdechoartdecho Posts: 337
    I also extolled the virtues of the Fit/Jazz in another thread on Edmund's. I think it would be a great addition to Honda's lineup here. It's really not that small, with virtually the same interior room as the Focus. As you pointed out, the Echo is selling repectably here, despite its less than flattering looks. As Honda has abandoned the entry-level Civic hatchback here (only pushing the $25 grand SiR), the Jazz could easily take the place of the Civic hatchback. At a price similar (or better) than an Echo, and 50 mpg-combined fuel economy, it makes far more economic sense than a Civic hybrid. Plus, the interior is so versatile, you can fit mountain bikes etc inside with ease. It really is an intelligent small car design, and has great saftey stats as well. The A-class is coming (D-C is even thinking about bringing the even smaller "Swatch" car) and so is the Ford Fiesta-based "Fusion", which is a size down from the Focus. I know Honda is having trouble meeting the demand for this exceptional car, but they'd better up their capacity and get this car to North America before others beat them to the punch.
  • artdechoartdecho Posts: 337
    Don't forget the Echo has a trunk welded on the back.....probably better to compare the Jazz to the Yaris 5 door hatchback.....also the Focus ZX-5 would be a better comparison than the wagon.
  • marcbmarcb Posts: 152
    hmmm. Your probably right artdecho, THAT must be what the website is comparing the Jazz with. Not the sw, so that would be my bad... I will then have to check the dimensions also of the ZX-5 vs Jazz.
  • artdechoartdecho Posts: 337
    Hey, marcb........maybe we should contact Honda and see if they'd lend us a Jazz to drive around with and get some public reaction. I guarantee you, the car would gain attention all on its own (as happened with recent trials of both the A-Class and Smart cars in Canada). Put a sticker on it saying 65mpg (highway) or over 50mpg combined, plus a sticker saying under $15,000 Cdn. and i you'd be mobbed with people wondering where they could get one.......especially when they see the space/versatility of the interior.
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,456
    Looks like a nice little vehicle. Wish they would bring it over.
  • marcbmarcb Posts: 152
    i bet it's gonna be fun, specially if we have to drive with a right handed version. But I doubt we'd make that much splash without a large advertisement.

    living in Ottawa i do get to see some of superminis which I would guess are the Transport Canadas fuel efficiency test units. A purple A-class, a silver Audi 2, a Smart, plus a grey Insight and a green Prius that looks like privately owned. They do turn heads, but for only those who could recognize them.
  • marcbmarcb Posts: 152
    true, back in the hybrid topic where this began a couple of the guys there also thought so. so really, honda should know they have a market here.
  • marcbmarcb Posts: 152
    i tried several times to post a corrected dimensions comparison table containing the Yaris and the ZX-5 but this website refuses because of a certain char limit. finally tried a mangled msg but deleted it asap so i apologize to anyone who saw that msg.


    anyway, heres a simple interior seat flip-flop animation for anyone interested.

  • fit_nessfit_ness Posts: 58
    How am I missing the official Honda announcement of available colours?
  • vspiarsvspiars Posts: 1
    I just arrived back from Japan a couple of weeks ago. I was fortunate enough to be able to go to a dealership and see the Stream and Fit. The Fit (I sat in) is like a 5-door Civic. The rear seats are really interesting. They have 2 storage positions. One is where the seat bottom collapses up and is perpendicular to the floor giving a semi- narrow but deep storage hole. The second is where the seats collaps in to the floor making a flat bed from the rear of the car to the back of the front seats. You don't even remove the head-rests. You slide the front seats forward and the rear rests go beneath the front seats. You then return the front seats to their previous position. Very cool. When they come with bigger engines (currently 1300cc and 1500cc next year) they will be great for the US market. The Stream is a smaller version of the US Odessey. Same general configuration and layout. They just need manual trannys and all would be right with the world. Honda has missed the rush to wagons. I think they are still smarting from the financial beating they took with the Accord wagons. I love mine but it is 10yrs. old. A hybrid Fit would be the perfect Fit.
  • artdechoartdecho Posts: 337
    The Fit itself gets such good mileage (around 50mpg combined/65 mpg hwy (that's Imperial Gallons, btw......translates to about 40/52 US)and that's attainable mileage, not the "ideal conditions" mileage figures of most hybrids) and has such low emissions that I don't think a hybrid Fit would make sense, at least from an economic perspective. Even with the hybrid Civic, you could never save enough gas to make up for the price premium over the regular Civic. However, I do agree that Honda has missed the boat on wagons/hatchbacks/mini-minivans and should get some kind of Fit iver here pronto.
    (Civic 5 door and Stream would also be welcome, as well as an Accord wagon)
  • civicwcivicw Posts: 135
    I'm speculating that Honda will bring the Fit here in Fall 2003, to compete with Toyota's Scion vehicles. Look for Honda to announce this either at the Detroit or NY show next year. I remember reading a news story this year that quoted a Honda VP saying that the Fit was a possibility for North America.

    Early next year, Toyota will introduce the redesigned Vitz/Yaris, which is right now taking a beating in the Japanese market from the Fit. The Vitz, along with the Nissan March, will reduce demand for the Fit, thereby freeing up Fit capacity to meet North American needs.
  • bsme1991bsme1991 Posts: 23
    The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) has a 40 mph frontal offset test. Based on the picture and the driver score, Honda Fit is unfit for survival in tailgating SUV country as USA.

    http://www.osa.go.jp/anzen/html2002e/as114.html

    compare it to 2002 CR-V score:

    http://www.osa.go.jp/anzen/html2002e/as123.html
  • civicwcivicw Posts: 135
    Even though the larger CR-V does better in the above tests, the Fit still meets European safety standards, which I understand are the same as defined by IIHS.

    Either Honda has to get the Civic 5-door, or the Fit here next year. I think they will modify the Fit in some way to meet IIHS requirements, but I agree that some people with SUV fear may not buy it.
  • perry40perry40 Posts: 94
    I love the Honda Jazz/Fit models ... as do I the Ford Fusion, Toyota Yaris, Hyundai Lavita and all of those types of cars which unfortunately not marketed here in North America ... the SUV/Mini van (which aren't so "mini") of the 90's, pretty much up-sized all auto models marketed here in North Am. Hell, I recall back in the 80's, smaller cars were more the norm ... I myself owned an 85 Honda CRX ... one of the smallest on the road then and a fabulous car! What we need is more smaller, fuel efficient cars (similar to Europe and Asia) and less of these wasteful SUV's on the roads of North Am. In Canada, gas ain't cheap and it won't remain cheap in the U.S. forever either ... besides some of these sub-compacts are darned cute!
  • AamirQAamirQ Posts: 7
    I love the idea behind the Jazz/Fit, but I think it's a bit too small for the U.S. market. Back in 1988, a friend of mine bought a used 1985 Civic Wagon. To this day, that car has to be one of the most intelligent and space-efficient designs I've ever witnessed. It seated four six-footers with room to spare, and it could haul lots of stuff if one or both seats were folded down.

    If Honda can import the current Civic Si 3-door from England, I don't see why they can't import the 5-door Civic hatchback as well. Sure, it might not look that great, but I think it will appeal to those who would consider a Pontiac Vibe or Toyota Matrix, but are put off by the cheesy "boy racer" design bits and want a more mature-looking vehicle.

    In any case, if the Jazz/Fit doesn't make it to the U.S. in its current iteration, I wouldn't be surprised if a similar (i.e. one with the Magic Seat), but larger, Honda was introduced a couple of years down the road. Then again, that Honda Element is just around the corner... can't wait!!
  • odmanodman Posts: 309
    My choice would be the Honda Stream, a Civic-based MPV that is a bit smaller than the first-generation Honda Odyssey. I would buy one in a heartbeat.


    http://www.honda.co.uk/new.html

  • AamirQAamirQ Posts: 7
    These are just my opinions and thoughts...

    1. I'm not crazy about the Stream's styling, particularly the C-shaped glass on the sides of the cargo area. It makes the rear cargo box look rather tail-heavy, as if the whole vehicle may tip back on its rear wheels.

    2. To me, the concept doesn't seem all that different from the first-generation Honda Odyssey, although it is a bit smaller. I'm not a fan of seven-passenger vehicles with traditional swing-out rear doors; I prefer dual sliding doors. Having said that, I've never had the (dis)pleasure of climbing into the third seat of an Odyssey or an SUV, but I'd imagine it wouldn't be much different than climbing into the back seat of a 2-door coupe - something I personally dislike having to do. (Maybe it's because I'm 6' tall and weigh 230 lbs. I'm sure kids wouldn't mind as much...)

    At this time, I'm more keen on five-passenger multipurpose vehicles, such as the VW Sharan (not sold in the US). It's too bad that vehicles like the early 1990's Nissan Axxess weren't more successful; although the Axxess had a clumpy ride, it was a pretty sound vehicle, conceptually speaking. I'd rather get a short wheelbase minivan, such as a Mazda MPV 3.0 V6, if I needed seven-passenger seating capability.
  • odmanodman Posts: 309
    I don't mind the styling, it looks different than all the other boxes out there, and looks quite fun.

    As for the seating capacity, I think most people who buy these cars don't actually use the jump seats in the back. They really are 5-seaters with the option of carrying an extra two in a last-minute pinch. I've got a 1st Gen Odyssey, and that's the way we use it. It's not practical for big families, but for us with two kids, its perfect, and the Stream would be too. I'm 6'5", and have ridden in the back row, and it is survivable, but not a lot of fun.

    The Nissan Axxess was a great concept, but its execution was a bit flawed (skittish handling, especially in wet weather). It was sold in the US in 1990-91, but went on in Canada till '95. There's still lots on the road here. It had an optional AWD system, and in the early years could be had in 7-passenger configuration (those last two seats would have been inhumane!).

    I have never understood why VW sells the Eurovan but not the Sharan in North America. The Sharan is much nicer to drive. The Opel Zafira would be good too, and I could see it being sold as a Saturn.

    Now that it has a 3.0, the MPV is a decent small van. I wish Honda would bring over the Stream though, at least for Canada where gas is more expensive. Are you listening Honda???
  • dudleyrdudleyr Posts: 3,456
    I also like the stream and have a first gen Odyssey. I like the swing out doors much better than sliders (my 2 year old can open the door get in and then close the door safely - not the case with a slider), and the rear seat is actually much easier to get into than other minivans because the middle seat tumbles forward. I also don't have to use the rear seat as often because the middle seat holds 3 people.

    The Sharan seats 7 not 5.
  • mrnimmomrnimmo Posts: 271
    I'm not sure a Fit fits my lifestyle. I'm a big man and have three kids. Just don't see all five of us stuffing in there, or that being a capable work vehicle. This is a little smaller than a Geo Metro, right? I'm not sure I'd want to go any smaller than a 5 door Civic.

    Stream seems very nice. I'm drooling over that 1.7 engine great mpg, and seating for 7. MPG 27/43 Imperial = 22/34 MPG US Gallons!!!!!! Wow!!!
  • artdechoartdecho Posts: 337
    I think the Fit/Jazz is a great entry-level car, a great commuter, a great car for seniors (ease of entry) and students alike, singles (easy to put a mountain bike or 2 in the back) and small families. While smaller on the outside, it has almost the same interior room as a Focus, so it really is spacious for it's size. With highway mileage figures around 65 mpg., it approaches the gas mileage of hybrids at about half their cost.
    What's not to like!?
    As good as the Odyssey is, it's too big and burns too much gas for my needs. The Stream would be perfect, as the need to carry 7 would be only very occasional. The UK version has a sport-shift 5 speed automatic. Can't see any info on it being renamed the Latitude and coming here in 2003 or 4
    (see posts in the SUV forum under Honda Element/Model X) but hope that comes true. A mild re-styling (especially the rear end) with a little more "attitude" would be welcome, with the 5 speed sport-shift and either the CR-V's or new Accords 4 banger........real-time 4WD would be nice too.
  • odmanodman Posts: 309
    I agree about the Stream -- I think that it would be a perfect car for my needs too, and if it was announced in the next year, I'd wait to buy one. I like the styling and the efficiency of the package. Can't miss, especially here in Cda.

    I also think the Fit/Jazz would be a fun car as well. I like it better than the Civic SiR hatch that is coming.
  • marcbmarcb Posts: 152
    As long as they can keep it as fuel efficient when it comes here. But somehow i get the feeling they're gonna up the hp when it crosses the pond, which would be awright as long as it doesn't turn into another gas guzzling minivan. Now if Honda up's the hp by adding the Civic's Hybrid Electric Engine I'd be grinning ear to ear. That probably wouldn't be too hard as the Latitude is based on the Civic platform too.

    Oh yeah Honda, very important: Don't forget to add a 110 volt outlet so I can tap on the hybrids stored power while camping or away from home.

    (Picture this: If people could brew in heavy traffic to work, wouldn't traffic rage cut in half? Of course accidents could double but at least we die happy... and the thought of watching attractive women dry their hair in bathrobes is worth the risk).
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