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'64 Chevrolet Impala

rooster628_99rooster628_99 Posts: 1
edited March 10 in Chevrolet
Own 4dr '64 Chevy Impala with about 25,000
original miles. Nothing has been done to it. With
a very little work, it will run again. Everything
in pretty good shape except paint. Really was
owned by old lady. What can I expect to get for it
and how is the best way to sell it here in S.
Texas? Thanks for the info.
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  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    As a non-running 4-door needing paint, not a whole lot, as compared say to a hardtop coupe or convertible, but I do think someone might want it either to play with or use for those rare original parts...I dunno, maybe $2,000 or so? You could start with an ad for $2995 in Hemmings Motor News and work your way down until someone bites. As for the low miles, the car would have to "show" those low miles for that factor to add a premium (such as a like new interior).

    Here's the Hemmings site (you probably know this publication, of course).

    www.hemmings.com

    Also, hanging a sign on the window is also a good way to sell a car like this. Anyone who calls is semi-serious because they've already seen the car.

    good luck selling it!

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  • my dad had a 63 impala (awesome car), my mom had a 64 Biscayne. looked similar to the 64 impala, what was the major differances??
    anyone know?
  • jpstaxjpstax Posts: 250
    Didn't I read in one of the posts that you should take proper precautions before starting an engine that hasn't been run for awile? Aren't you supposed to remove the intake mainfold, and spray some kind of lubricant on the cylinder walls, to minimize the chances of cracking a piston ring (or worse) during start-up? I would appreciate a reply, because my brother-in-law hasn't started his '68 Olds 442 for about 2 years (it's been sitting in my mother-in-laws' garage).
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    hi jp,

    Yes, you do have to be a bit careful with an engine that hasn't run in a long time, but I think if you just removed the spark plugs and squirted some light oil in there ( a few teaspoons) and let it sit for a while, then turned the engine by hand for a few turns (grunt!) and then with the starter with the coil disconnected (so it won't start right away), until you have a little oil pressure---then you'd be okay. I'd start it up and once it smoothes out, run it ad idle for 1/2 hour and then change the oil and flush the radiator.

    An oil ring can break if it's rusted to the cylinder wall, and if it's rusted hard enough, you're kinda screwed no matter what you do...but that would be unusual unless maybe the car was outdoors with the hood up and the air cleaner off (people do this, for some reason!).

    But I don't think you have to take the manifold off unless it was some very rare and delicate aluminum engined car, in which case you'd probably pull the engine anyway.

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  • As I remember, those full-size Chevys of the '60s were in general descending order Impala, Bel-Air, and Biscayne. The differences were in body-styles and trim levels. For example, you'd never find the entry-level Biscayne in the no-pillar hard-top or convertible configurations, only post sedans. The Bel-Air used to be the top dog until the Impala line. Biscaynes were devoid of chrome trim along the belt-line and body edges, came with the small hubcaps (no full wheel covers), and did not offer the "big" motors. Very plain-Jane. The Bel-Air was the "tweener" model.

    Impalas had one distinctive feature in those '60s models: triple tail lamps (two stop, one reverse) on both left and right vs. double lamps on the others. My favorite Impalas in that era were the '60 and '62 models, 2-dr hard-tops. Convertibles are cool, but it rained too much in my area (140" annual rainfall).
  • prophet2....
    thanks a bunch. reading your info helped me to remember a lot anout my dad's old 63... you are exactly right.. it did have 3 lights on each side. i wish he still had that car, i think he had the 327 in it becuase he always told us that he had the V8 in the impala and my mom had the 6 in her biscayne.

    thanks again - oscar a wiggy
  • They also had the "V" insignia on the side of both front fenders to indicate V-8 motors. A plain "V" stood for the 283 cid "small block," the "V" with the checkered flags for the 327. I don't recall if there was anything additional for the 348, 396, or 409 engines beyond the flags.

    I got to see a lot of them since I was a part-time gas jockey in my student days. Just talking about them brings back warm memories about cheap gas and when Chevy really was the "spirit of America."
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,625
    Prophet, these were, indeed, available in the lowly Biscaynes. Back in those days, you could order any engine/transmission in any full sized Chevy. Above the "V" emblem with the crossed flags, the numbers "409" appeared.

    When I worked in the Mobil Station, we had an old lady customer who drove a yellow '64 Impala SS. It had A/C which was rare in a Chevy at that time, in our coastal area. But, alas, it also had the six cyl engine with powerglide.

    Later, she traded it in to the local Chevy dealer on a 68 Malibu. The Chevy dealer sold it to a Mexican guy who promptly lowered it to the ground, etc.

    Usually, people ordered the SS Impalas with the 250 HP 327 engine although the 195 H.P. 283's were also popular. The 300 H.P. 327 with a four speed was my favorite.

    Years later, I owned a 400 H.P. 409.
  • I worked at Union 76 (UNOCAL) in the mid-'60s and our minister drove a Biscayne. I suppose that it makes sense that Biscayne buyers (the church board in this case) wouldn't be likely to spend the extra $$$ on the big motors on a budget-buy car, especially for a man-of-the-cloth. Never saw any Biscaynes with anything bigger than the 283.

    A co-worker raced his '60 Impala (348 w/trips, 4-speed Hurst). He had a '66 Nova SS (???) for a brief spell, then ended up with a GTO (389 w/trips and the close-ratio 4-speed), after which he got married and his racing days were H-I-S-T-O-R-Y.

    Regarding that Impala SS with the six-banger: what a waste! :>)

    A lot changed when Chrysler offered the Roadrunner and its 383 in what was basically a stripped-down Satellite 2-dr hard-top. I had a Sport Satellite hard-top (318, white vinyl-top) and yearned for the "beep-beep" muscle-car version.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,625
    I once saw a 1962 Biscayne Station Wagon with a 409 engine from the factory. I don't know what horsepower version it was, but it had a three speed stick on the column.

    I seem to recall the guy telling me that he had ordered it that way because he planned to pull a trailer or something.

    The Roadrunners were a hell of a lot of bang for the buck! The 383 torqueflight was no slouch.

    But...you brought back a memory...

    Back in around 1970, I was a very young guy working for Sears. a co-worker sold me a VERY wierd Pontiac that had been special ordered from the factory by his best friend who sold it to him when he was sent on an all expense paid trip to Vietnam.

    It was a 1964 Catalina 2 door hardtop. It had the 421 engine, with (what a waste) a 3 speed on the column. It took forever to shift, but MAN, could that Pontiac haul!!

    And, it looked like such a sleeper! Only the "421" emblems gave it away.

    One night, on my way home from work, a cocky young guy from our sporting goods dept pulled up along side me in his 1969 Roadrunner and smirked at me.

    Well...Even with some 90,000 miles on it, that old Poncho SMOKED the Roadrunner!

    He never spoke to me again...
  • Served him right! He deserved every smoke he got being dusted.

    A tour company had some '64 Catalinas in service (non-stretchout versions), but with the normal V-8s and 3-speed automatic. They had nice lines for those days and were very roomy.

    By the way, was it the Malibu (Chevelle) that was like the Roadrunner (stripped muscle-car) when GM put out the "Heavy Chevy" back in the early '70s?
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,625
    As I recall, the "Heavy Chevy" was a very basic Chevelle with the bigger engine.

    But, I think it came out around 1971 or 1972, after the smog regulations gelded all of the power away.

    Mr. S, do you remember?
  • I think you're right Isell, I only recall them in 71 and 72, I seem to recall they had a minimum of trim and a plain bench seat.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    Yes, the Heavy Chevy was produced in 1971-72, but I don't have specs on it right now...given its rather low value in the marketplace, I'd expect it was not a car with SS engine options.

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  • I'm just going on memory, but I seem to remember that he offered the big engine, but none of the ornamentation (buckets, chrome trim) of the SS. It may have been a way around the insurance company since it would have registered as a Chevelle rather than a Malibu SS, but that's just a guess.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    Okay, I did dig into the extensive Shiftright Memorial Library, and found out a little more...says you could order ANY engine with the Heavy Chevy except the 454, and that the car was built as a competitor to the Road Runner. So I'd guess that with the larger engines the car would be worth more than is showing in the current Price Guides.

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,625
    I think it was in 1971 when they really got into emissions. They dramatically lowered the compression ratios and went to net horsepower.

    At least in California. Then, a couple of years later, we got cataytic convertors and all of the other smog equipment that killed the muscle cars.

    The most pathetic sight of all was a 1974- 1974 smogged up Tempest with a tacky "GTO" decal stuck on it.

    As I recall, the "Heavy Chevys" weren't much of a performance car.

    How about a 375 HP 396 '68 Camaro? HANG ON !!!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,625
    To say 1974 - 1976 phoney GTO's. Really, I would just as soon forget that some idiot at Pontiac would do such a discraceful thing!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    But now muscle cars are back...see? It wasn't that emission controls were a bad concept (it really improved the breed using Darwinian principles---adapt or DIE). What WAS bad was the application of early emission controls...god awful bolt on, make-do, jury-rigged engineering.

    To get somewhat back on topic...remember that embarassing incident when GM complained that they couldn't get their big V-8s to meet emission standards for the early 1980s and then Honda took a Chevy V-8 and made it conform to Federal standards, even without an air pump? Oohhh, that must have caused a stir in Detroit. Now, of course, Detroit does a pretty good job of it.

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,625
    Sorry, had to put in a plug!

    Yes, muscle cars are back (kinda) but it's just not the same, at least to me!

    It's the way they sound! NOTHING like an uncorked big block 427 Chevy!

    Or even better, the sweet sound of an old Chevy six cylinder with a split manifold. A pair of "pipes" with 18 " glass packs!

    Take it down a steep hill, put it into second gear, and let out the clutch!

    Try that with a choked up cataylied car of today... Not even close...!
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    I hear that the Ferrari 360 Modena sounds REAL nice when it's sucking air into those twin intakes on the rear fenders, especially when the variable intake runners kick in...and it has that good old american V-8 kind of torque, too.

    I don't like the sound of V-8s myself, except maybe the old Maseratis...too uneven and burbly, like a Harley, kind of "messy"...I think a straight 6 with twin pipes is just about right...the old Jags sounded great, too.

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  • Those '60-'64 Impalas with the V-8s were among my favorites. Chevy kind of lost it with the '65 and later editions, although the Malibus and Camaros were still stylish to the end of the '60s. I'm going to a party Saturday night where one the the guys who will be there used to have a tricked-out Dodge Dart with the 273 V-8 and trips.

    The Caprice that was Motor Trend's Car-of-the-Year a few years back was an ABOMINATION! I have yet to see the 2000 Impala, but after the re-introduced Malibu, I'm not expecting much.
  • Mr_ShiftrightMr_Shiftright CaliforniaPosts: 44,527
    The Impalas seem to be glued to the showroom floors these days.

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  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,625
    And, I'm not kidding, it looked like an overgrown Hyundai!
  • ...And it always Rode like a "Reliable Tank." Those cars had much more STYLE-instead of this "Wind Tunnel" effeciency nonsense-which is making all cars LOOK far too ALIKE, nowadays! I have an 81 Dodge Mirada-about 80,000 ORIGINAL(REALLY!! No, REALLY!!) Miles on it, with the slant 6, gold interior and exterior-it's a GOOD, reliable car-with DODGE's BEST engine-ever made, (looks about like the 80-83 Dodge Magnum-only NOT a V-8, and it hasn't had the &$*! run out of it by a fast young guy!)...it's GOT so much more STYLE and "personality" than any car made today, that I can think of-UNLESS we're talking Bentley-Turbo-Rolls Royce, etc. THIS "2000 Impala" has the right color, which is a start, but it still looks to be, and appears to handle like a "Pontiac Grand Am for The New Millineum," but NOT with the original CHEVY-Hot-Rod style of the 60's Impalas-It's STILL a great-looking car-the 65, better than anything today, BUT how the ____ do you get parts for it?, and Do you need to be a millionaire to keep it in good running/cosmetic condition?
  • Actually, there are all kinds of places that offer parts for mid 60's Chevy's. I recently replaced a clock in a 66 Impala with a NOS one fresh from the blue and white GM box.
  • We bought a '64 in '71, when my husband was at Ft.Bragg, NC, from one of his sargents. In driving to Indiana to visit family, the coil went out, about 200 miles from our home and 500 miles from where we were headed. It was a experience, getting enough speed up going downhill through the Smoky Mts in order to get UP the next. We got it fixed, and it ran like a charm for years after. It was black with black interior. Nice car.
  • jpstaxjpstax Posts: 250
    The Impala SS is rumored to be returning for next year with a V-8, but with FWD. This should be OK, because the Cadillacs and Olds Aurora both have V-8s, with FWD. A couple of posts in the SEDANS conference (2000 Impala topic) say that Chevy is presently testing an Impala, with a V-8 engine, at their Arizona proving grounds. Hope it happens.
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,625
    It won't be the same!
  • isellhondasisellhondas Issaquah WashingtonPosts: 17,625
    It won't be the same!
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