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Volkswagen Passat Oil Changes & Issues

patpat Posts: 10,421
Discuss your Passat oil thoughts and questions here.
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  • zperson1zperson1 Posts: 9
    I was told that Jeffy Lube has the specified oil for the 2006 passat (made be Pennzoil) and can perform the oil change for $60
    any body had this experiance
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    That sounds a little inexpensive but only $10-$20 or so. The thing that I'd be concerned about is the Pennzoil itself. They make an oil (Pennzoil Platinum) that "Exceeds" North American warranty requirements for U.S., European and Japanese cars and light trucks with gasoline and gasoline turbo-charged engines where API SM, SL, SJ or SH are specified

    The concern that I have is that Pennzoil does not specifically call out the VW oil spec as one of the specs that they meet (they do however call out eighteen other specifications). Said another way, if that oil (or any other for that matter) doesn't specifically call out the VW 502.00/505.00/503.01 standards as having been met, then there is no way I would put it in any VW or Audi.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • zperson1zperson1 Posts: 9
    I got this info from Pennzoil web site which lists VW specification as compatible with this oil what do you think
    is Pennzoil a reliable product

    PLATINUM SYNTHETIC EUROPEAN FORMULATION MOTOR OIL
    PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
    PENNZOIL® PLATINUM SYNTHETIC EUROPEAN FORMULATION MOTOR OIL is a premium synthetic engine oil that is uniquely formulated to meet the needs of European automobiles.
    PENNZOIL® PLATINUM SYNTHETIC EUROPEAN FORMULATION MOTOR OIL is a low volatility oil that provides excellent high-temperature protection and low-temperature protection. It resists high temperature oxidation better than conventional oils.
    APPLICATION
    PENNZOIL® PLATINUM SYNTHETIC EUROPEAN FORMULATION MOTOR OIL can be used in both passenger car and light duty diesel applications. It is specifically recommended for BMW and Porsche vehicles and where Mercedes-Benz 229.3, MB 229.1, VW 502.00, or VW 505.00 performance is required. PENNZOIL®PLATINUM SYNTHETIC EUROPEAN FORMULATION MOTOR OIL surpasses the performance requirements of API SL/CF, and ACEA A3/B4-02 and B3-98. PENNZOIL® PLATINUM SYNTHETIC EUROPEAN FORMULATION MOTOR OIL can be also be used for domestic vehicles where an API SJ, SH or API SG category is recommended. PENNZOIL® PLATINUM SYNTHETIC EUROPEAN FORMULATION MOTOR OIL is only available in a SAE 5W-40 viscosity grade.
    BENEFITS
    • Protects against harmful engine deposits and wear caused by high and low-temperature severe service
    • Outperforms conventional motor oils in providing protection for hot running engines.
    • Protects against rust and corrosion caused by severe, low-temperature stop and go driving
    • Has MB 229.3 and MB 229.1 performance approval
    • Has VW 502.00, and VW 505.00 performance approval
    • Has BMW LL-98 approval
    • Has Porsche approval
    • Exceeds the requirements of ACEA A3/B4-02 and B3-98
    • Exceeds the requirements of API SL/CF
    January, 2005 Stock # 5066214
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Interesting, the Tech Data Sheet that I just got of the Pennzoil web site is dated August, 2005 and has a Stock # of 5066203, obviously older than the one you just pulled up. I wonder how you managed to fetch a newer version of the same sheet off of the same web site. Maybe you're just special. ;-)

    Looking further at this situation, I see that even this newer information is still lacking the VW 503.01 spec, which IIRC is the one for the 2006 turbocharged cars. Going back to my previous post I'll say it again, unless the oil meets the VW 502.00/505.00 AND 503.01 specification, I wouldn't put it in my car.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • zperson1zperson1 Posts: 9
    I called VW north America and they gave me the following link to the approved oil's by them, if you check it up you will see the Pennzoil list, let me know what you think

    http://www.vw.com/vwcom/content/objects/pdf/service_maint/oilchart.pdf#search='v- w%20502.00'
  • zperson1zperson1 Posts: 9
    Also the following link from VW talks about the recommended oil for VW motors

    http://www.vw.com/vwcom/content/objects/pdf/service_maint/engoil_gas.pdf#search=- 'vw%20502.00'
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    Hmmm, interesting, my take on the various specs were that the 502.00 was an older gasoline engine spec and the 503.01 was the latest gasoline engine spec for the more powerful engines. That having been said, my knowledge is a little sketchy and so I did a little research to bolster what I think I know, and found some good stuff.

    The following information is courtesy of someone who calls himself oilman:

    VW 500.00

    This is an old oil specification and is applicable to engines built before model year 2000 (up to August 1999)

    Viscosity ratings: SAE 5w-40, 10w-40 or 20w-40

    This oil can be used in all gasoline and some diesel engines, apart from those referred to under other specifications.

    VW 501.01

    This is another old oil specification with exactly the same application as

    VW 500.00.

    Viscosity ratings: SAE 10w-40, 15w-40 or 20w-40

    VW 502.00

    This oil can only be used in gasoline engines and is recommended for those which are subject to arduous conditions. It must not be used for any engines with variable service intervals or any which are referred to under other specifications.

    Viscosity ratings: SAE 0w-40, 5w-40 or 10w-40

    VW 503.00

    This is a relatively new oil specification for gasoline engines with variable service intervals. It includes the AUDI S4, but not the RS4, or the TT and S3 with outputs of more than 180bhp.

    Viscosity rating: SAE 0w-30

    VW 503.01

    A new oil specification specifically for the RS4, and the TT and S3 with outputs of more than 180bhp, Passat W8 and Phaeton W12.

    Viscosity rating: 0w-30 or 0w-40

    VW 505.00

    For all diesel engines prior to model year 2000 (August 1999)

    Viscosity rating: 0w-40, 5w-40 or 10w-40

    VW 505.01

    For all diesel engines with unit injectors (Pumpe-Duse or PD) without variable service intervals.

    Viscosity rating: SAE 5w-40

    VW 506.00

    For all diesel engines except those with unit injectors, with variable service intervals.

    Viscosity rating: SAE 0w-30

    VW 506.01

    For all diesel engines, including those with unit injectors, with variable service intervals.

    Viscosity rating: SAE 0w-30

    Reading between the lines, the 503.01 oil spec was designed for the highest output engines from the VW/Audi stable, and one of the references was specifically to the previous generation 1.8T producing more than 180 hp. Given that both of the mills available in the Passat are substantially more powerful than that, it would seem logical to me that oil that meets the 503.01 standard would be decidedly more desirable to use instead of the older 502.00 standard. Said/read another way, the 502.00 standard is the minimum spec that can be used to keep the warranty intact but that an oil that meets both the 502.00 and the 503.01 spec is the better bet.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • mrjettemrjette Posts: 122
    What is a "variable service interval"? I have the PD diesel engine ('05 passat TDi), but that term is new to me.

    I sent an email to my service dept (Grappone VW in Concord, NH). I asked them about the oil they use (wanted to make sure it meets or exceeds the VW spec), and expressed some concern that they always put a sticker in the windshield that calls for me to return in 3K for another change (although the interval is 10K - makes me wonder if they really know what oil they just installed). Also, they put an MOA Oil Additive in the last change, although a read of the manual would suggest that this could void the warranty. Given the strict adherence to the change intervals posted in the manual during the sludge issue, I am surprised they would decide to add something without consulting with the manual or car owner first! I'll take that up with them soon.

    To date, no reply to my inquiry. Guess I'll have to call them.
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "What is a "variable service interval"? I have the PD diesel engine ('05 passat TDi), but that term is new to me."

    I've driven two BMWs that had some form of an "Oil Service Reminder" that would calculate when the next oil change was due. Said calculation is basically a determination of how much fuel has been used since the last oil change, however, many folks think that there is also a certain amount of black magic involved in the process as well. Regardless, the system on my cars calculated oil changes in as little as 13,000 miles (lots of driving in NYC traffic) and as much as 18,500 miles (mostly driving back and forth between New Hampshire and NYC).

    Does VW and/or Audi use such a system? I haven't heard one way or another. Anybody?

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • quietypequietype Posts: 3
    I don't think I would take my high-end 2006 Passat to a Jiffy Lube for service. I trust my VW dealer and service.

    See http://www.jiffylubeproblems.com/ if you want to read others who feel the same...

    Tom
  • jimd4jimd4 Posts: 877
    Well it goes on and on. Logical inferences and line after line of oil specs are not specfic facts useful to any owner. People should read the owner's manual and talk to the dealer service staff. And people need to really think about the risk they assume by taking a high performance engine that has critical oil needs and what seems like a history of warranty problems to Jiffy Lube or the local garage to save a few dollars.

    The VW or Audio oil change service receipts may just collect dust but might be very handy some day when.."my turbo started to make a loud noise....!"
  • shiposhipo Posts: 9,152
    "Logical inferences and line after line of oil specs are not specfic facts useful to any owner."

    They aren't? Well, speaking strictly for myself then, when a manufacturer comes out with an oil spec, and said oil spec isn't on the bottle of oil I'm looking at, it ain't going into my engine. That seems to be both simple and useful to me.

    Regarding talking to the service staff at your friendly neighborhood dealership regarding what is the proper oil for your car, well, that can be hit and miss too. The sad fact is that in entirely too many cases, it is the dealership that is at fault for not using the proper oil.

    Along the same lines, a couple of years back there was a class-action law suit brought against some BMW dealerships for not following the BMW oil spec when perfoming the "Free maintenance".

    I'm thinking that the only sure bet is to do the oil changes yourself. Finding the oil is easy, just match up the oil spec from the Owner's Manual to the oil on the shelf at your local parts store, and away you go. Given that that simply isn't practical for many/most folks, the next best thing would be to question your dealership about the specific oil that they use in cars like yours. If they are even a little vague when answering the question, find a different dealership.

    Best Regards,
    Shipo
  • bjbird2bjbird2 Posts: 647
    My VW dealer is still using oil that is half dino, half synthetic, so I would not rely on their expertise. They'll do what is most profitable for the dealer.
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 843
    How often are you supposed to change oil in 2.0T?

    Krzys
  • chindia76chindia76 Posts: 9
    Every 5000 miles this car needs an oil change
  • krzysskrzyss Posts: 843
    at 5000 miles you are supposed to drain the oil not top it off. Correct?

    Krzys
  • zpersonzperson Posts: 4
    according to the manual supplied with the car it should get oil change every 10000 miles not 5000, also this has been confirmed by VW North America.
    if you notice the service light comes up every 10000 miles
  • chindia76chindia76 Posts: 9
    According to my manual that I am reading right now it says a 2.0T Gasoline Engine Passat 2006 needs an oil change every 5000 miles. I also confirmed this with service at Volkswagon. At 10,000 miles it needs an oil change & maintenance service. The maint just includes checking other liquids, brakes, battery and rotating tires. I don't know what maintenance manual you got with your car but that is weird mine says something totally different. Either way I would rather spend the $30.00 and do it correctly and not have to top any oil off. Especially where the manual says you should use a special type of oil. Actually I just read it further and it says to get one at the 1st 5000 and then after that it can go 10,000. So I guess that is the part that is confusing. Either way I would still rather have someone do it then add in oil myself.
  • jefferygjefferyg Posts: 418
    Either way I would rather spend the $30.00 and do it correctly and not have to top any oil off.

    Where are you getting your oil changed? The oil and filter alone cost more than that if you buy them from the dealer. I don't know about everyone else, but the dealer I use charges $92 for an oil and filter change :mad: , but I'm not getting into that one again.

    BTW, When I read the service booklet/owners manual for our car it said change the oil at 5,000 miles, again at 10,000 miles and then it goes to a 10,000 mile interval.
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